Was I in the right or the wrong...

[daan]

Too many assumptions, either could be legally modulating their brake inputs, until op provides footage of brake inputs there is no way of knowing.

As long as op doesn’t overcook the corner he can change how much he is braking as often as he likes.

We don't know about the first assumption but we can see the Porsche's brake lights and line. He's carrying too much speed and goes from the outside to the inside while braking. He would never be able to hold the inside line at the speed he was going, obviously.



The Porsche is the one making the move. He is the one who has to make sure to complete the overtake safely. The OP can defend and is committed to his line.

I'm making too many assumptions, yet you both know exactly what is going through the mind of both drivers in the incident? Of course there's assumptions. You are making just as many.

The Porsche goes from the outside to the inside as that's the racing line and, in my opinion, the Porsche driver thought he was past as the WRX braked early.

The op is not attempting any move he is driving defensively and as such does nothing wrong and as such its the porshe that needs to complete his move cleanly and does not.

You can't drive defensively if you are behind. 💡 The WRX is behind on the run to the hairpin and the chicane, and so becomes the attacker in both of those situations.

But anyway, in my opinion, the OP is in the wrong in the hairpin. There is a point where you have to concede, and the hairpin was it. And that's my final contribution to this thread.

 

[kjeldsen]

Spring Cleaning

 

[zzz_pt]

I'm making too many assumptions, yet you both know exactly what is going through the mind of both drivers in the incident? Of course there's assumptions. You are making just as many.

You were the one who made the assumption that the WRX "comes off the brakes to try to protect his position" when we can't see his braking lights.
I didn't make any assumption because everything I've said can be seen in the video.

The Porsche goes from the outside to the inside as that's the racing line and, in my opinion, the Porsche driver thought he was past as the WRX braked early.

It's not the racing line when there's someone one the inside who you're trying to overtake by choosing the outside line.

 

[rono_thomas]

You are making just as many.

I am making none. Find one.

The Porsche goes from the outside to the inside as that's the racing line and, in my opinion,

Yes that is the racing line when you are alone.

the Porsche driver thought he was past as the WRX braked early.

The key word is thought, clearly he wasn’t.

You can't drive defensively if you are behind.

You are breaking an incident down into a microsecond. The op was driving defensively from the previous corner.

 

[Johnnypenso]

First incident at the hairpin, no issue with you. The Porsche was ahead of you but you entered the corner side by side, which means to me:

If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit.

You both had the right to your "lane" and the other driver should not have claimed the apex until he was completely clear of you. From a practical standpoint I probably would have acceded the corner but you weren't under any obligation to do so.

Second incident in the final chicane is the exact same but in reverse. You went in side by side but you claimed the entire inside lane for the exit of the chicane before you were completely clear. In that case it was your fault. You should have left enough room for him to squeeze through on the left.

 

[cleanLX]

The first incident;
That corner has 2 lines depending on what you are trying to do.
When I was watching the video I assumed the Porsche was going outside, only to cut in hard for the late apex and get a run up the hill. That is really his only option with OP going down the inside. Why he would choose to dive to the inside there is beyond me. That would have surprised me as well, and if I was out of brake I would have likely made contact as well... If I still had brake in reserve, I'd have used it and I'd have let him through... stuck to his bumper through the next S's and looked to draft up the back straight. I really don't mind giving up a spot to avoid contact, just a game, I'll try and race it back. maybe I'm odd in that regard.
The second, tight chicane;
Saw a lot of guys really cutting both those yesterday... I was too scared, but kept telling myself that was an area I needed to improve. While I don't like it (mostly because I never figured it out ), good for you. I gave up a lot of time there all day yesterday.

 

[dabz343]

Bit frustrating to watch really. The thought that arises is not who is at fault in a given situation, but rather how both drivers could have had a better race if they could have dialed back the aggression a notch.

Once a driver is comfortable in side by side situations, learning to place your car in the precise position(s) to make a quality pass is the next level. After losing a position, try maintaining pace and follow the car ahead to learn if there is an obvious corner to exploit. If you find yourself lunging for every gap and constantly reacting to drivers around you, perhaps your race strategy could use some discipline.

 

[Oune56]

Thanks for your opinion and from what I can learn is that a have good intention to stay clean but not using the right technic. I’m not a professional driver, or presume to be, but I want to learn. At the hairpin, honestly in the race I never saw the hit, I though he was to fast and slid into the corner. Never have the intention to ram im. And for the chicane I did not get a penalty. During this lap with the Porsche was pretty fun, I like to have some good and clean, at least I think lol, battle. I tough I was doing the right thing until a see the replay and question myself. Thanks everybody again, it’s appreciate!

By the way, sorry if my english is a little bit bad, french speaking canadian here! lol

Edit: I can provide the same part but from my view if needed

 

[Tidgney]

One thing I would say from watching that, you're both at least trying to race clean as best as you can, which is always nice to see !

Incidents happen, mistakes happen, crashes happen but you can tell from that footage your both trying and for the most part succeeding in some clean racing .

 

[SCPH1000]

One thing I would say from watching that, you're both at least trying to race clean as best as you can, which is always nice to see !

Incidents happen, mistakes happen, crashes happen but you can tell from that footage your both trying and for the most part succeeding in some clean racing .

What @Tidgeny said

 

[Dan Vincent]

I thought it was all good aggressive driving on both sides!