Week 17 Results!

[circa86]

Just watched Jumpputt and hot's replays. Both are nice and clean! It amazes me how cool and calm your alls laps look! So smooth and comfortable looking. My lap looks very jittery and nerveous, always on edge. Guess it shows the differences in driving styles. Also I am interested to se that hot went into 5th down the long strait. Were you simply carrying that much speed? or does it add to the smoothness?

I went into fifth on the long straight too. you can carry so much speed through that banked turn if you get your braking right.

damn I lost to lewie by less than 2 tenths! at least I got another podium As for the promotion thing, I am moving into a college dorm on the 25th and I'm not sure how much time I will be able to spend on the WRS so I don't know if that is really necessary yet. but If I am able to race I have no problem with it.

casio would be a good candidate for D2 if he could verify those replays. nice time
I knew I should have kept trying for 1'31

 

[circa86]

I also noticed you guys took alot less curb on the very first part of the esses after the start line. I nearly got airborne on that part!

the way I thought about that was the smoother you go through that chicane the more speed you will carry, and also, keeping both of the drive wheels on the ground at all times keeps you accelerating, having both of the drive wheels come off the ground is a little bit like slightly letting off the throttle and loosing a little bit of speed, it is a small amount. but who knows if that really makes a difference?

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

only reason i was so smooth, was because i fluked out totally

haha usually i had my left wheels in the air for a sec bouncing off of the steep hill

 

[MisterWeary]

2nd...woohoo!...Nice racing TeamLosi, too quick for me. Here's my replay. If someone watches it and finds it's my 1'31.7xx lap let me know. I kept 2 laps in my replay folder because the 1'31.7xx had better T1 and T2 splits so I chased it usually. Great week guys...now to find that Miata/Eunos/MX5/etc

 

[Casio]

Not again....I knew this would happen.

Great Job Lewie, if It wasn't for you I never would of got into the 1'31s. You deserve it this week, as long as you can verify! But I trust you anyway.

Also your time would of put you 4th in Division 2, very impressive.

Just a question, if I can't verify can I just re-do the qualify race, I'm getting sick of winning D3 every week and not being able to prove it.

 

[circa86]

Not again....I knew this would happen.

Great Job Lewie, if It wasn't for you I never would of got into the 1'31s. You deserve it this week, as long as you can verify! But I trust you anyway.

Also your time would of put you 4th in Division 2, very impressive.

Just a question, if I can't verify can I just re-do the qualify race, I'm getting sick of winning D3 every week and not being able to prove it.

I'm getting tired of you winning D3 every week too! i don't really care if you can prove it though!

it is getting to the point in D3 that if you can't prove your time then you have to drive just slow enough that they don't care

 

[circa86]

hey GT_Fan2005 and vtec_guy good job on the move up in placing, now let's see a podium out of you!

 

[Casio]

I'm getting tired of you winning D3 every week too! i don't really care if you can prove it though!

it is getting to the point in D3 that if you can't prove your time then you have to drive just slow enough that they don't care

Haha, that what i was thinking. I'll just submit some slack time. And I'll just pride myself on what I really get.

 

[CFM]

I'm getting tired of you winning D3 every week too! i don't really care if you can prove it though!

He didn't win D3. Any times listed as "unverifiable" are not part of the official results.

 

[jumpputt]

If anyone cares, the time that I thought I submitted was 1'32.373. (verifiable )

 

[Small_Fryz]

congrats to all the winners

Hotboi great lap! 👍.

I was also hitting 5th on that long straight, id hit just before the tunnel entrace as the car does a little jump, I found it went faster than if i leave it in 4th.

8th Overall is better than i was expecting considering i screwed up the last sector.

Well done to all who was able to hit a clean lap, the rules where difficuilt this week well done 👍.

 

[jumpputt]

Just watched Hotboi's lay myself. Very nice!! Every time I watch one of his laps,(or anyone in Div.1) the mistakes I was making become obvious! I'm thinking, "of course that's the fastest way around the track, why wasn't I doing that?" I hope someone makes a video so people w/o a replay device can see how it's supposed to be done.

 

[geeTeye]

Congratulations to all the division winners.

I am happy with my results and I'm sure I could have broken 1'32.000 if I had more track time. 👍

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

video should be coming soon, on jump_ace/my site~

the link to the site is in my Sig

 

[TeamLosiRacer]

Is there any way you could get jump ace to host some of my vids?

It would be really cool if he could.

 

[Casio]

How come my one is the only one that says unverifiable? When verification seems to be only if you got under 1'31, which I didn't.

And if it's divisions fastest time, why hasn't anybody else in Division 3 been asked to verify?

If they do not have to verify, and they also get '(promotion needed)', why don't I get a promotion needed, when my time was half a second faster? As far as I can see Lewie and 86, havn't posted replays. And although I trust them both, why should there unproven times earn them promotions and mine not?

 

[UrsaMajorPrime]

Haha, that what i was thinking. I'll just submit some slack time. And I'll just pride myself on what I really get.

There shoudl be a Div 4 "Unverifiable" Division - so those (specifically) Div 3 drivers that have *never* verified anything at all (Qual time or otherwise) can be racing against the other unverifiables.

I'm sure they really can race those times, and I'm NOT saying anyone is sandbagging, but it is entirely possible without verfication...

I'm not mad or bitter - honest (I'm too old for that kind of thing anymore, Eagle Scout's honor on that) - but this is the world of the amazing internet where anybody anywhere can say whatever they want and not have to worry about proof.

UMP

 

[Casio]

But honestly, what is the point of cheating? It's not like there are prizes on offer. And if you just say you put down a quick time and not verify, everybody just assumes you're a cheat.

Which is exactly the same as if you actually do race a quick time and not able to verify, everybody just assumes you're a cheat.

If you're the type of person who thinks they are good by just saying times, or submitting unclean ones...you really have to wonder how much of a life they have...

 

[UrsaMajorPrime]

But honestly, what is the point of cheating? It's not like there are prizes on offer. And if you just say you put down a quick time and not verify, everybody just assumes you're a cheat.

Which is exactly the same as if you actually do race a quick time and not able to verify, everybody just assumes you're a cheat.

If you're the type of person who thinks they are good by just saying times, or submitting unclean ones...you really have to wonder how much of a life they have...

Well, people say that cheaters only cheat themsleves, but in reality (such as it is) the points we score are one-time only real world bragging rights. (i.e. there will *never* again be a Week 17 GT4 WRS race)

There are no cash/take-home/tangible prizes, true - but I'd really like to know if where I stand is truly where I stand. Not that it really matters, but we all have an interest in racing or we wouldn't be here - why would you want to be measured against someone who wasn't *really* in the race? Make sense?

But this discussion belongs in a different thread for sure! 💡

UMP

 

[CFM]

How come my one is the only one that says unverifiable? When verification seems to be only if you got under 1'31, which I didn't.

And if it's divisions fastest time, why hasn't anybody else in Division 3 been asked to verify?

If they do not have to verify, and they also get '(promotion needed)', why don't I get a promotion needed, when my time was half a second faster? As far as I can see Lewie and 86, havn't posted replays. And although I trust them both, why should there unproven times earn them promotions and mine not?

As taken from the rules thread:

-Any request of verification must addressed by the racer in question with in 3 days of the request or the time in question will be removed from the database as well as the WRS results.

-Not being able to meet the standards above will only keep you out of the races until you can meet the standards, once you can meet the standards you will be re-admitted without any trouble.

Simply put, just like has been going on with fasj, once you times are questioned and you cannot / will not provide a replay, then your times will not officially count in the WRS results. These rules have been the same since we switched over to GT4, and have been available for everyone to read. The rules must be applied to everyone exactly the same, so that it is fair to all drivers. Unfortunately, there have been blatant instances of cheating in the past, so it does happen. That being said, personally I have no reason to doubt your times, and they seem perfectly reasonable. But without proof, I must apply the above rule, to be fair to all. Hopefully you can understand me and Kent's position here.

 

[fasj6418]

Unverifiable
1'30.954 fasj6418 RX-7 Spirit R Type A
1'31.436 Casio RX-7 Spirit R Type A

here´s my take on this...

@casio, well it doesn´t help to get mad, the best thing we can do is to try to get the max drive... they don´t know us, so its normal to have concerns about our times... (well, i´ll talk to you later when a get a chance)

it´s a bit nice to have someone im my class...
i´m not alone anymore!

well, about the results, i WOULD BE 6th overall, so that´s another good finish, besides my travel that cut off my weekend play...

i´m really curious to see the lap made by the winner everyweek... (this time Curtis). i think once i get the max drive i´ll become a much better driver by been able to watch those replays and see what i´m doing wrong with those street/slow cars and its sloppy sports tires...

anyway, that´s just the way it is... i think we should think positive casio, because we still get the benefit of the doubt, they still put our times on the board... once we can prove it, they will automatically believe in all our previous times... its just a matter of waiting... i´m sure right now you have the intention to buy one of those AR max/max drive to get this right...

just keep it cool and keep racing 👍
for now, compete with me in our own exclusive category

peace guys, and i´m hoping someway i can watch that replay of Curtis, because i can see a 1´30´2 that i could get, but i don´t know where that extra 0´5 went...

 

[Casio]

Simply put, just like has been going on with fasj, once you times are questioned and you cannot / will not provide a replay, then your times will not officially count in the WRS results. These rules have been the same since we switched over to GT4, and have been available for everyone to read. The rules must be applied to everyone exactly the same, so that it is fair to all drivers. Unfortunately, there have been blatant instances of cheating in the past, so it does happen. That being said, personally I have no reason to doubt your times, and they seem perfectly reasonable. But without proof, I must apply the above rule, to be fair to all. Hopefully you can understand me and Kent's position here.

Yeah, I understand your position. I know that the rule is their for a reason. But I'm just feeling at the moment that I'm putting alot of time and effort into this thing for nothing. When it would be better for me to come 2nd or 3rd, and get some points, then try to get the fastest time and get none.

And fasj6418, I'll be looking forward to competing against you in Division U!

 

[Kent]

Casio,
I'm sorry about the situation you are in.

We are going to fix this though.
Give it a bit of time and don't give up.

This should all be taken care of by the end of this coming week...

I'm thinking you need a division 2 promotion. 👍

See, one of the problems in this situation was that you are in division 3.
Not to rag on you or div 3, but...

I qualified in D1 and I can't keep up with most of D2.
So, how do you think it looks to race admins when a qualified D3 runner is putting in times that match some of D1 and beat most of D2?

I'm not saying you are cheating.

I'm saying that when you jump in speed like that it can cause some trouble for us race admins who have to evaluate all of the race times.

Also, another thing about this is the fact that replay devices are not limited to ownership by fast drivers alone.

"Slower" drivers also have replay devices.
If you had been allowed into the D3 official results, even being .4 off the 1'31.000 mark, I would have asked for verification.

Because really, D3 is not supposed to match the other divisions.
D3 is supposed to be slower and when D3 does manage to match the other divisions it means that we have two problems...
1) verification is needed to make sure this person is legit because in qualifying the best this racer could do was "not make it to D2, none the less D1."
2) a promotion is needed to make sure d3 keeps its "beginner" status.

So, with all that said...
Please be patient.
We will get this all sorted out ASAP. 👍

Thanks for working with us.
Till next time,
-kent

Btw, a little advice for everyone here...
Don't waste your time arguing about why there is no reason to cheat... Cheaters have always and will always be in the OLR world.

Don't ask why, just accept it.
Kinda like serial killers, we hate them and don't understand them, but we do know they are there.

Oh wait, that's sad.

 

[circa86]

He didn't win D3. Any times listed as "unverifiable" are not part of the official results.

ok I guess he's a dirty cheater and should recieve 40 lashes and a roundhouse kick to the throat!

I wouldn't imagine someone would actually cheat on this, but allwell.

 

[circa86]

If anyone cares, the time that I thought I submitted was 1'32.373. (verifiable )

it's a good thing you didn't because in that case I wouldn't be one point behind in the standings now. you are Fernando Alonso and I am Kimi Raikkonen and you will crash out in every race for the rest of the season! muahahaha!

also to CFM and Kent, I am finally going to get my new computer in a few days and was wondering it it is legit to just use my digi cam and make a bootleg copy of the replay and post it like that? I have a very good camera that is quite capable of doing that. won't be as good as a max drive but woluld still be legit I think wouldn't it?

as far as the moving up quickly goes, it is amazing how much I learned quickly from the WRS about driving tuning, etc. and I got better but it really comes down to how much time you put into each week I think, for most I think they don't race until they can't possibly go faster they just put in a few hrs and call it good especially in D3, that is what I have always done, I can't imagine spending 7-10 hrs a week on one lap. so when someone does put in alot of time they can easily move up quickly unless they just plain suck at it.

but I think your right with the verification thing, If you are more lenient (prob. spelled wrong 💡 ) then who knows what people will start to try?

 

[Kent]

ok I guess he's a dirty cheater and should recieve 40 lashes and a roundhouse kick to the throat!

I wouldn't imagine someone would actually cheat on this, but allwell.

First off,
Edit your post to avoid double posting. 👍

Now for real though...
No one said he was a dirty cheat and I don't like the insinuation that we did that.

Fact of the matter is, he blasted through the entire D3 and D2 pack.

Without verification the best he can hope for is to be listed on the same page and atleast have his time posted out of respect.

Also, CFM and I are bending over backwards to meet you all half way on these issues.

We aren't asking for much, but we are asking that you respect the rules.

 

[circa86]

I completely understand Kent, and sorry for another post but you probably wouldn't have seen this otherwise.

your post got me thinking, how the hell do you bend over backwards?

 

[Kent]

your post got me thinking, how the hell do you bend over backwards?

I'll tell you how.

Putting up with members who don't respect the work you do or the goal you are working towards.

That is not to say you are one of those people.

However, they are out there and trust me, they make a difference- a big difference.

Sometimes you all wonder why I seem to be in a bad mood... That is why.

Maybe this is a bad analogy, but...
Anyone here know of a band called "Rage Against The Machine" (or is it machines? )

Well the lead singer is a big Communist supporter with serous political motives behind much of his music.

However, the whole time he is advocating his beliefs, he is selling music and doing it in the free market society he is so against.

That makes me angry when I think about it for more than a few seconds... And well...

That's exactly how I feel about some of the members on the GTP.
Luckily we don't have much, if any, of that here in the WRS. 👍

So I say "thank you" to all of you who support CFM and I.
You just can't imagine how much of a difference the support you give makes.

At the same time though, you can't imagine how much the criticisms bother me (can't speak for CFM on that one).

But speaking for myself... Complaints are not necessarily "constructive criticisms" and for me when a criticism is not constructive it is usually just plain rude.

I hope this puts things into perspective for you.

 

[ppucci]

Well, for the records then, once again Kent and CFM, thank you for all your hard work on shepherding us and giving us treats every week. I may be kind of new around the block, but I enjoyed so much I don't play GT4 no more if it is not for WRS, not to mention the quality of the organization. 👍

 

[Casio]

Casio,
I'm sorry about the situation you are in.

We are going to fix this though.
Give it a bit of time and don't give up.

This should all be taken care of by the end of this coming week...

I'm thinking you need a division 2 promotion. 👍

See, one of the problems in this situation was that you are in division 3.
Not to rag on you or div 3, but...

I qualified in D1 and I can't keep up with most of D2.
So, how do you think it looks to race admins when a qualified D3 runner is putting in times that match some of D1 and beat most of D2?

I'm not saying you are cheating.

I'm saying that when you jump in speed like that it can cause some trouble for us race admins who have to evaluate all of the race times.

Also, another thing about this is the fact that replay devices are not limited to ownership by fast drivers alone.

"Slower" drivers also have replay devices.
If you had been allowed into the D3 official results, even being .4 off the 1'31.000 mark, I would have asked for verification.

Because really, D3 is not supposed to match the other divisions.
D3 is supposed to be slower and when D3 does manage to match the other divisions it means that we have two problems...
1) verification is needed to make sure this person is legit because in qualifying the best this racer could do was "not make it to D2, none the less D1."
2) a promotion is needed to make sure d3 keeps its "beginner" status.

So, with all that said...
Please be patient.
We will get this all sorted out ASAP. 👍

Thanks for working with us.
Till next time,
-kent

I understand completely with what you're saying. I also understand that I can't do the qualifying race again, because I know what gets you into what division, I could cheat in that as well.

I think my problem was that I only did 4 laps of the qualifying race, If i only ran 4 laps of WRS everyweek I probably could not time better then an average D3 time, And I'm sure that their have been other people who have done that same.

Also, I know it can't be helped but the qualifying race only takes in one type of car, on one type of track. I know this is a bad example because the M3 is a road car, but myself personally, I drive road cars 4000 times better then race cars. I'm sure their are alot of people who are the other way around. Their might be people who drive the stop-start tracks like New York, a lot better then the flowing tracks like infinion. But I know all this can't be helped.

I didn't go out trying to beat D2 times and get into D1 times, I went out competiting against Lewie, also in D3 who was also putting down the same times as myself. It just happened that our urge to win got so great that we both managed to put down pretty quick times.

This week I doubt I'm going to get a good time anyway, I'm trying for all golds on special licence (Which is suprisingly easy, I got the first 5 in 30 minutes yesterday, I think WRS has really made me faster). But I might put say, 4 laps in, and see how I go 👍