What do you think of Honda?

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Well after carefully studying the facts I have come to only one conclusion. Honda makes terriable cars. I can't find one good product for the '02 or '03 model year. The Civic got uglier, The Pilot is one of the worst SUV's I've ever seen, The new Accord is just a little Benz wanna be, The S2000 I just hate due to is 2.Slow and terriable styling, and then we have various little Hondas from Japan such as the Logo and Beat.

This is my opinion not yours. Lets not start a flame fest though. Just DISCUSS your position on Honda automobiles.
 
Fine - let's run down Honda model by model so people don't flame me, as I know they're going to.

By the way, I absolutely hate Honda.

Honda Civic / Si / Hybrid / Coupe: Plain and boring. Painless to own, painless to service, painless to drive. No joy at all out of this car. Coupe is ugly, sedan is merely average throughout class, Hybrid is pointless, considering it still gets less than 45 mpg, but costs more than a sane alternative. Si is nice, but somewhat ugly, and definitely not worth price.
Honda Element: Actually, I think it's brilliantly designed. Let's wait for it to come out until I begin bashing the rest of it. :)
Honda Pilot: Near - perfect SUV! Great style, great engine (240 HP V-6!), great drive, reliable... but what about price? It's more costly than the Explorer and Trailblazer, both of which moved up in price last year. The Pilot, though convincing, is topped by any domestic competition.
Honda Accord: Still a decent family sedan, but there's so many competitors now - Passat, Altima, Mazda6, Camry, Taurus. The Accord, though redesigned, is still behind the grade set by the two newest arrivals to the class.
Honda CR-V: Horrible design; definitely the second-ugliest small SUV behind the Santa Fe. Also, its ride is stiff, body doesn't feel rigid (as in, off-road ability), and power is weak. This is outclassed, even to a Honda fan.
Honda Insight: Get a life. This is ugly, impractical, slow, and way too expensive. The only good part is gas mileage, and it rarely does 55 MPG. Usually, $20,000 2-seaters have some power, too - this has 68 horses.
Honda Odyssey: The van is slow! That's my only complaint. It's a competent van, only, I grew up with the notion that the Caravan was the 'only minivan to buy' and I stick to that. Oh, and the brake lights are miniscule, even though the available lighting space is huge. :D
Honda S2000: Engine is 'revvy,' the front is poorly styled. Best Honda for sale (not counting Acura).
 
Honda Insight: Get a life. This is ugly, impractical, slow, and way too expensive. The only good part is gas mileage, and it rarely does 55 MPG. Usually, $20,000 2-seaters have some power, too - this has 68 horses.
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Actually one passed me on the free way doing 85mph. I was suprised
 
About 20 miles I think Cause I switched lanes to let it on i-75 and then I forgot about it before it passed me. I was crusing at 80.
 
Honda, to me, has gotten more "yuppie" friendly...

I use to like them, but they've since gotten too yuppieful...

Acura cars are great, I love the TL and CL, RSX is pretty cool, MDX is pretty nice, they are cool.
 
Also, the Oddyssey is a tank. It's heavy, it's big. That might be good for highway cruising, but the 240HP is actually slower when compared to the MPV's 200HP. The MPV is light for it's class, while still having tons of room and comfort. It also well outhandles the Odyssey...and it looks better...and a lot cheaper price then the Honda...
 
Originally posted by MazKid
Also, the Oddyssey is a tank. It's heavy, it's big. That might be good for highway cruising, but the 240HP is actually slower when compared to the MPV's 200HP. The MPV is light for it's class, while still having tons of room and comfort. It also well outhandles the Odyssey...and it looks better...and a lot cheaper price then the Honda...
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I agree. And though I wouldn't call the MPV 'sporty' as Mazda does, it's definitely nimbler (for a minivan) than the Odyssey.
 
Originally posted by MazKid
Honda, to me, has gotten more "yuppie" friendly...

I use to like them, but they've since gotten too yuppieful...

Acura cars are great, I love the TL and CL, RSX is pretty cool, MDX is pretty nice, they are cool.
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I don't want to get into Acura, too (which I also despise), but the TL is far outclassed, the CL is horribly ugly, the RSX feels heavy, and the MDX is priced too high for what it is.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Honda Civic / Si / Hybrid / Coupe: Plain and boring. Painless to own, painless to service, painless to drive. No joy at all out of this car. Coupe is ugly, sedan is merely average throughout class, Hybrid is pointless, considering it still gets less than 45 mpg, but costs more than a sane alternative. Si is nice, but somewhat ugly, and definitely not worth price.
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I think the CTR would be somewhat interesting, perhaps as an autocrosser, but it's too harsh to drive daily and not gutsy enough on a regular track course. Another one-trick-pony from Honda.

Honda Accord: Still a decent family sedan, but there's so many competitors now - Passat, Altima, Mazda6, Camry, Taurus. The Accord, though redesigned, is still behind the grade set by the two newest arrivals to the class.
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Bland, bland, and, uh, more bland. Lots of interesting features,
which somehow when put together make a car that's less interesting than a pile of it's separated parts. Understeer-y (not surprising), sluggish (despite a 240HP V6 -- how is that possible?), and dead at the helm (another non-surprise).

Honda Insight: Get a life. This is ugly, impractical, slow, and way too expensive. The only good part is gas mileage, and it rarely does 55 MPG. Usually, $20,000 2-seaters have some power, too - this has 68 horses.
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I can live with the rest, if it were half the price. Isn't the whole idea of a high-economy car to save money, not just lose it all up front?

Honda S2000: Engine is 'revvy,' the front is poorly styled. Best Honda for sale (not counting Acura).
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This is becoming Honda's biggest mistake. They put a track engine in a sports convertible. Not only is the car a bit heavy, but the engine is asthmatic in torque. Why should I be driving this car when getting puttering around town requires more than 6000rpm? Unless I floor it every time, that stupid Insight will cruise right on by.

Honda needs another CRX almost as much as VW needs a real GTI.
 
Well, in Australia (and any other place besides America) there is no Acura - it is all Honda.

I like the looks of the S2000 (You don't see them much around here) and the NSX. Hey, it's Honda over here. :P
 
Originally, I was never a Honda fan, I fact I was a Mitsubishi fan before (with the 1985 Lancer GSR, 1990 Galant VR-4, 1992 and up 3000GT, 1999 Eclipce GSX, and all the EVO's series). Back in my country, Mitsu's are great cars back there, they build one of the best diesel engines in Asia and provide good selection of cars. When Honda landed in the Phil. back in 1990 until now, I wasn't impressed in the lineup of cars that they do offer (JDM-spec Civic, semi-USDM Accord and Euro-spec CR-V followed after), plus the CR-V rear side is crap. But back there, Honda is selling well and growing. But still didn't impress me, so I chose a 1997 Mazda 323 (Familia/Protege) GLX for my mom because of the value involved with it.
But when I landed here in the US, my knowlege on cars expanded in tremendous amounts after I read Consumer Reports, Edmunds and Car and Driver plus detailed researching on bussiness magazines, after I found out that Mitsubishi was using Chrysler components then the scandal re. Mitsu's mistakes for the past years and Tommi Makinen leaving for Subaru, my interests of Mitsu is going down, but not gone. Then I was impressed what Honda is doing with their bussiness tactics, they are the only co. that is completely independent, no ventures or some sort. Plus right now I own a Honda vehicle (sort of), which really facinates me about the co.

Here's my brief opinion on each Honda/Acura car:
USDM
H. Accord- It looks like its going away from its traditional roots, which is kinda degrading; more HP is good, but a M/T on the sedan would help; also bring back the wagon.
H. Civic- Gone is the favorite Double wishbone front suspension which it make kinda boring; hatch made in UK not a good idea; Si kinda lame for its class, bring in the Type-R; no fun at all.
H. CR-V- Best mini-SUV; although lack in style a bit, show more JDM look; one of the most reliable SUVs in the US.
H. Pilot- Best SUV in class; not much model lineup; hard to get, purchase; practical cruiser.
H. Insight- High-mileage; high price; low utility; low satifaction.
H. Passport- Its gone, good.
H. Odyssey- The best minivan; practical; reliable; useful; not nuch model lineup; still hard to get, purchase.
H. Element- A "two-door CR-V"; versatile; usefull; less haggle; not much data, yet.
H. S2000- One of my dream cars; innovative engineering; on with the ranks of German roadsters; a classic of its own.
H. Prelude- R.I.P.
H. Civic NGV- Zero emision vehicle; only in California; only as an EX model; no specs, yet.
H. Civic Hybrid- A hybrid for the common human; fully equipped; high price; a "Civic HX sedan".
H. FC-V- First certified Fuel-cell powered production vehicle in the US; same body as the not so sucessful Honda Electric Vehicle; only in CA and NYC; no specs, yet.

A. RSX- Same goes w/ the Civic; nice engine; fun to drive; best in class; miss the Integra name; still expecting for the Type-R.
A. TSX- Same spec as the JDM-Euro Accord; has the same engine as the RSX; slotted between RSX & TL; not enough data, yet.
A.TL- Best FWD sedan in class; value packed; still behind of its RWD rivals; got to wait for the next-gen TL.
A. CL- One of the best FWD around; still lagging behind competition; a US exclusive Honda (along w/ Pilot, MDX, USDM Accord & Element).
A. RL- Still prefer the Legend nameplate; outclassed and outmatched by rivals; gets boring every munute.
A. NSX- Oh boy, and oh my!!!; an everyday exotic; doesn't gain any exotic car status symbol; way overpriced, outmatched; really need a replacement soon; how 'bout NSX-R?
A. MDX- Best softcore luxo-SUV in class; updated engine; rides like a car; hard-to-get and find; one of hottest SUV around.

Other Markets except JDM
H. Jazz- Bestselling car in Japan; a worthy competitor to the low-end class (aka. Hyundai Accent) in US; if I dont have any $$$$$ to get a Element, I'll settle for this one; pls. bring it to the US.
H. Stream- Best for competing against PT Cruiser; practical; economical; underpowered.
H. HR-V- A true Forester competitor; 3 and 5 door configuation; economical; looks a bit small for its class.
H. Civic Wagon- As bland as the 3-dr hatch; looks like a Focus ZX5 competitor.

But my fanfare w/ Mitsubishi never dies, because I grew up with it. I'll still be a fan of every production car on the road. I still rate Honda as every production car should be, equal treatment, it depends how people would react on certain type of cars or brands. :) ;)

Never Hate.
 
Originally posted by streetracer780
Well after carefully studying the facts I have come to only one conclusion. Honda makes terriable cars. I can't find one good product for the '02 or '03 model year. The Civic got uglier, The Pilot is one of the worst SUV's I've ever seen, The new Accord is just a little Benz wanna be, The S2000 I just hate due to is 2.Slow and terriable styling, and then we have various little Hondas from Japan such as the Logo and Beat.

This is my opinion not yours. Lets not start a flame fest though. Just DISCUSS your position on Honda automobiles.
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I dont like honds cars either, but you cant say S2000 in no good, its a great car Id get the before a boxster
 
Originally posted by Hooligan


I can live with the rest, if it were half the price. Isn't the whole idea of a high-economy car to save money, not just lose it all up front?
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PERFECT statement. If I got a Kia Rio, which would get 10 less MPG than the insight, I could save $10,000 up front. Heh, I'd go for the Rio, then, even with the anemic drive, ride, and interior. It's still new, and it's still got that monster powertrain warranty.
 
Originally posted by The Vanishing Boy
also bring back the wagon.
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They want to, but that market is Subaru's. People like the AWD and people like the cars. I guarantee that market will NOT fall from Subaru within the next ten years ...

... relating a story, the Outback is directly responsible for the production of the WRX here in America. Subaru of America was nearly broke when a high-level employee one night came up with the idea for the Outback. It was out about a year later. At the time, I lived in Florida, where the Outback population is sparse, but when I moved to Texas, Colorado, and then Illinois the thing dominates. It's incredible. I heard somewhere that two years after it came out, it sold more than all the other wagons for sale combined, which isn't hard to believe. It was another Taurus, so to speak.

Anyway, the Outback saved Subaru from bankruptcy here in America and left Subaru with enough cash to bring over the WRX. Ha. That was fun.

H. CR-V- Best mini-SUV; although lack in style a bit, show more JDM look; one of the most reliable SUVs in the US.
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In what category? It's rather expensive, very ugly, poor in off-road ability, loud and hard on-road. It's reliable, obviously, but nowadays most vehicles are reliable. With all the crap I've heard about cars not being reliable, I don't see enough on the side of the road with their tire bent into the body. :lol:

The Tribute is a better small SUV by far - I almost bought one, and my test drive found it to be the best SUV in on-road ability out there (I took it on a rather stretch of a rather poor highway in Colorado).
 
Main stream cars are boring front drive boxes, and in Australia they try to aim at the prestige market.

The Civic's not a shadow of the car it once was. Buy a Corolla or a 307.

The Accord's a boring front drive sedan. Buy a Camry, they're a lot cheaper here, or better still, a Legacy/Liberty.

It's almost fraudulent to call the CR-V and HR-V 4wds. Buy a Forester.

The Odyssey's not bad but for the money people here prefer the Toyota Tarago.

The S2000's okay, but Mazda here released an SP version of the MX5 with a low-pressure turbo that will eat it alive.

The NSX is a great, but considering it's over 10 years old you've got to wonder.

To finish, the Insight would have to rate as the most pointless car of the last five years.

Did I miss any out of the Australian line-up? Ahh, who cares?
 

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