- 79
- Missouri
- biggbaddwolf
If you don't want to use them then don't use them!! I would think those that don't use them would be happy about others using them because they supposedly slow you down, but everyone pitches a fit if they are allowed!!
What is the big deal about using driving assists?
- Thread starter Biggbaddwolf
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CSA doesn't penalise all but extremely good drivers.
I know it's something we all can aim for but I for one doubt I ever will achieve this accolade and as such, feel CSA usage should be restricted to offline events only.
TC, ASM and ABS all have negative attributes at even a moderate skill level, i.e. they slow me down and I'm crap.
Fwiw, I use TC and ABS.
Edit. This is my opinion only and I've thrown too many hissy fits over this already!
I know it's something we all can aim for but I for one doubt I ever will achieve this accolade and as such, feel CSA usage should be restricted to offline events only.
TC, ASM and ABS all have negative attributes at even a moderate skill level, i.e. they slow me down and I'm crap.
Fwiw, I use TC and ABS.
Edit. This is my opinion only and I've thrown too many hissy fits over this already!
- 882
- California
- Lux_Klonoa
- Lux Klonoa
I only use TCS on cars that tend to oversteer.
Otherwise, it's just ABS for me.
Otherwise, it's just ABS for me.
- 288
- Phoenix, AZ
- FerrellJ
The only time I've found CSA to help me was with the karts so that's not entirely true.
Okay but you're the one starting a new thread on the topic.
I think my gripe with the assists isn't so much that people use them- it's that they often don't work the same as they do in real life and the game seems to be balanced around their use. I personally find cars to be much less engaging to drive with TC to the point that I don't even bother with anything above Gr.4 races. GTS's throttle curve makes high powered cars unnecessarily silly to drive intuitively and the traction control dumbs them down too much.
If people want to use the tools the game provides, that's fine. It's when the developers seemingly only do the same that I have a problem.
- 946
- Netherlands
- Shottah072
CSA is the only problem as it dont slow you down that much if at all hence why some of the fastest still use it. I dont use it as the feeling of it puts me off as a seasoned sim racer who is used to countersteer. I dont really care if other people do use it. At my level i think it is only 50/50 who use it anyway. The ones using it are getting a small advantage on consistency over the ones who dont though.
This goes for wheel users though. DS4 users i dont care at all and they probably should all use it as consistency is already gonna be a problem for them. Even the best DS4 users are still gonna be at a disadvantage with CSA against some good wheel driver without it.
This goes for wheel users though. DS4 users i dont care at all and they probably should all use it as consistency is already gonna be a problem for them. Even the best DS4 users are still gonna be at a disadvantage with CSA against some good wheel driver without it.
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- 1,831
- England
- Player_7421
- Player 7421
I totally agree. Play the game how you want to play it. If it's not ruining anybody else's experience, then why are people so bothered? Baffles me.
- 3,053
- England
- kilesa4568
If you need to use it, use it.
I just use ABS and accept the mistakes from not using anything else.
I just use ABS and accept the mistakes from not using anything else.
- 1,654
- UK
- JacksHereR
I don't care what assists people use until I'm 'stuck' behind one or bashed into by one.
It would be nice if the game weened people off them once their DR/SR ratings reached Mid B, and didn't allow S drivers any AIDS except Maybe ABS.
It would be nice if the game weened people off them once their DR/SR ratings reached Mid B, and didn't allow S drivers any AIDS except Maybe ABS.
- 655
- United States
- FluffaRaptor
CSA is more important for DS4 users. Makes sliding slightly more forgiving. I feel its pretty fair to use considering the lack of FFB in the DS4 that would provide extra feedback to control stability. I dont know why people complain about this
TCS slows you down but make you consistent. So it makes you slower in a single lap but over a multi-lap race it can seriously level the playing field which is why i think some complain. They are willing to lose stability for faster cornering but pay the price for it every now and again and lose position from a spin out. I race in dailies with TCS in Gr3 because I am MUCH more consistent and I am less likely to wipeout in a tight battle but unfortunately i almost never get fastest lap. I get the complaining on this one because it lowers the difficulty, but technically if you are good enough then you will be faster anyways and consistent also so.. again i guess i don't know why people complain about this.
I havent messed with ABS, i dont see why it matters.
ASM is for my girlfriend who only ever 2-player battles me
TCS slows you down but make you consistent. So it makes you slower in a single lap but over a multi-lap race it can seriously level the playing field which is why i think some complain. They are willing to lose stability for faster cornering but pay the price for it every now and again and lose position from a spin out. I race in dailies with TCS in Gr3 because I am MUCH more consistent and I am less likely to wipeout in a tight battle but unfortunately i almost never get fastest lap. I get the complaining on this one because it lowers the difficulty, but technically if you are good enough then you will be faster anyways and consistent also so.. again i guess i don't know why people complain about this.
I havent messed with ABS, i dont see why it matters.
ASM is for my girlfriend who only ever 2-player battles me
- 1,654
- UK
- JacksHereR
There's lack of feed back with steering wheels too, but those AIDS feel nasty when you are trying to have an immersive experience.
- 5,749
- Codemasters (EA)
- PJTierney
If something is legal, use it and abuse it if it gives you the optimal chance of success. Whether some should or should not be legal is another matter entirely.
On a related note, this is good reading for how highly competitive players think: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/
On a related note, this is good reading for how highly competitive players think: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/
- 288
- Phoenix, AZ
- FerrellJ
Not sure why it baffles you. It generally takes more skill to drive without assists. It should be obvious why some people would be bothered by the fact that others not as skilled as them can maintain appearances otherwise.
It doesn't personally bother me so long as it provides good clean racing but I would certainly appreciate some acknowledgement of my abilities. It would be cool if the game showed what assists each driver was using on the race results screen for example.
- 655
- United States
- FluffaRaptor
There is no force feed back except bumps in the road for DS4. I have no physical clues to when im losing grip, only visual, and the traction drops off so quicklyly that you really have to work hard and watch your throttle bar while cornering. I have also noticed that TCS does almost nothing if you have perfectly smooth throttle application out of a corner (as if you were driving properly without TCS on) and wont really hinder your speed. I agree the TCS >1 can really feel nasty though when I punch the gas and only get half throttle for a half sec.
- 655
- United States
- FluffaRaptor
[QUOTE="FerrellJ, post: 12135018, member: 160922"
It doesn't personally bother me so long as it provides good clean racing but I would certainly appreciate some acknowledgement of my abilities. It would be cool if the game showed what assists each driver was using on the race results screen for example.[/QUOTE]
How about the acknowledgement of a high quali position, or lets say a podium finish?
Its simple, if TCS is bad because it slows you down, then turn it off and beat the players with it and dont complain about the slowpokes using it. If TCS makes you faster, then why in gods name would you choose to make racing more difficult and yourself slower? Either way, drive however you want to be the fastest, cleanest driver. In short, there's a trade off, and that's why its fair.
It doesn't personally bother me so long as it provides good clean racing but I would certainly appreciate some acknowledgement of my abilities. It would be cool if the game showed what assists each driver was using on the race results screen for example.[/QUOTE]
How about the acknowledgement of a high quali position, or lets say a podium finish?
Its simple, if TCS is bad because it slows you down, then turn it off and beat the players with it and dont complain about the slowpokes using it. If TCS makes you faster, then why in gods name would you choose to make racing more difficult and yourself slower? Either way, drive however you want to be the fastest, cleanest driver. In short, there's a trade off, and that's why its fair.
- 946
- Netherlands
- Shottah072
TC is not a real problem as it makes slow players faster and fast players slower. CSA makes slow players faster and more consistent (wich is good), but it also helps the fastest players with consistency without making them slower (wich is bad).
- 288
- Phoenix, AZ
- FerrellJ
Well for one, the game already does both of those things and two, that has nothing to do with distinguishing users who accomplished those feats without assists, which is the topic at hand.
I answered this above but personally, I find an engaging driving experience to be far more rewarding than winning.
- 66
- United Kingdom
It would be nice if sport races were grouped by aid settings imo
- 1,654
- UK
- JacksHereR
I like to play without safety nets because I want to feel my heart pumping when I'm on the limit. If I make a mistake I suck it up.
TCS can be switched on and not slow you down if you dont get on the throttle too hard or too soon. The timest when it does activate is the time its saved you, because without it on you will probably spin out if you get on the throttle too quick or too soon.
TCS can be switched on and not slow you down if you dont get on the throttle too hard or too soon. The timest when it does activate is the time its saved you, because without it on you will probably spin out if you get on the throttle too quick or too soon.
- 655
- United States
- FluffaRaptor
Question, are you a better driver if you make the top 10 leaderboards with the hinderance of assists?
- 1,654
- UK
- JacksHereR
Question, are you a better driver player if you make the top 10 leaderboards with the hinderence use of assists?
Opinions will vary.
Opinions will vary.
- 1,814
- Norway
- IngRobNy
I don't know, we still have to drive the car and drive through traffic, but to make up for using assists in single player i started to always aim for clean race bonus, it makes it a bit harder to win and do it clean, but it's more rewarding to see the clean race bonus
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- 1,831
- England
- Player_7421
- Player 7421
- 1,654
- UK
- JacksHereR
I think guys with pads are playing a different game to me on my wheel.
If I was using a pad I would probably use whatever AIDS made me faster/able too race most cleanly.
If I was using a pad I would probably use whatever AIDS made me faster/able too race most cleanly.
- 36
- Australia
I use ABS on default, and mostly run with TC off because its definitely faster and i like feeling the car slide :-) i hate understeer. I do switch it to notch 1 or 2 occasionally in endurance when im not trying to max my laptime but just drive consistently though.
Never tried ASM or CSA, probably never will.
No problem with anyone using what works for them.
Never tried ASM or CSA, probably never will.
No problem with anyone using what works for them.
- 17,394
- United Kingdom
Set the controller to X and Square for Throttle/Brake... then turn the assists off. It's what REAL men do*
*also men that didn't realise the PS4 doesn't have analogue buttons like the old DS3! D'oh
*also men that didn't realise the PS4 doesn't have analogue buttons like the old DS3! D'oh
- 1,814
- Norway
- IngRobNy
Hahah oh god, i will not go back to that configuration ever again, R2 and L1 was a blessing for me at least, up to GT5 i used the d-pad for steering, now i can't use other than the stick, d-pad i useless for me after i tried and got used to the L3 stick
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