What is this penalty for!? Replay shows no contact!!!

[TheGeologist]

This is absurd! I just got back into Dr A and had my first race ever with a mostly Dr A field (The few races I did in Dr A before were mostly against Dr Bs). The penalties at Dr A are ludicrous!

As I get close to the mustang driver (Clear-static). At first glance it looks like I hit him, please be patient and watch the replay 30 seconds in... The replay clearly shows no contact between the mustang and my viper.

Why on earth was I given a three second penalty?! I continued racing and was planning on removing the penalty at the end of the race. Then on lap 4, Vexatron stops suddenly causing me to ram into him and I now have a 7 second penalty. Then the weirdest thing of all happens, it begins to grow as I'm driving. I pull off track and the penalty will not reduce, it only reduced when I stopped in the middle of the track...

My first race against a mostly Dr A field and I had a top 5 finish going until I was served with these egregious penalties.

 

[Famine]

Why on earth was I given a three second penalty?

Probably door-banging with the Evo. If you'd been pinged for the Mustang you'd have 10s, which is standard for contact resulting in the other car leaving the track.

Then the weirdest thing of all happens, it begins to grow as I'm driving

Since 1.13, any penalty of five seconds or over will increase if not served.

 

[TamasToth]

I can imagine how frustrating it is. My opinion is that there should be a contact in the first turn of the video with the Mustang, based upon it's movement, but it can not be seen because of some network lag and visual imperfections. I do not know, just a guess.
I experienced it myself, that it is possible to get a penalty without any visual sign of a contact, even if I couldn't feel anything.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Like Famine said, the penalty was more to do with the Evo. And that WRX is a 🤬

The backstraight is a good place to scrub penalties. If you start coasting when the orange barrier to the left passes by, you get 7/10ths-1second scrubbed off

 

[TamasToth]

Famine and Alpha Cipher should be right, and this way it is just another example of the penalty system's ... lets say: limits. There is absolutely nothing to be penalized when both cars stayed on its racing lines (within the track), even if they slightly touched each other.

 

[TheGeologist]

I don't even think I touched Evo though. I can't see any contact on the replay. We come very close, but I don't think I touched him arlt all...That's hard, clean, respectful racing.

Since 1.13, any penalty of five seconds or over will increase if not served.

I thought it added time at the end of the race, not added it during. First time I've had a penalty larger than 5 sec since 1.13

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I don't even think I touched Evo though. I can't see any contact on the replay. We get pretty close, but I don't think I touched him. That's hard, clean, respectful racing.

Yep, it is. And you shouldn't have been penalized by that. But as TamasToth said

it [Contact with the Mustang] can not be seen because of some network lag and visual imperfections.

Although from my view it's the contact with the Evo

 

[TamasToth]

hard, clean, respectful racing

- that's what I was watching also. (Unless T1 after the penalty ) And that is not in correlation with those penalty. That's why I wrote about the system, what I wrote.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Probably here, too close

When all those proximity circles light up, the slightest lag will cause a penalty. Better to keep a safety margin than get that close

 

[TheGeologist]

Probably here, too close

When all those proximity circles light up, the slightest lag will cause a penalty. Better to keep a safety margin than get that close

I definitely didn't touch him though. And I have the best margin I can, I cannot be anymore to the right.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I definitely didn't touch him though. And I have the best margin I can, I cannot be anymore to the right.

Yep, not much you could have done. However it's debatable whether you should have held back and fallen in behind him at that point as he was ahead right before he started braking and you're basically forcing him off the racing line. He would have been in the right to cut in front of you 1 sec earlier. Instead he gave up his position to avoid contact, just 1 inch too little.

There should not be a penalty for that, yet knowing how trigger happy the penalty system is, better keep those proximity circles from lighting up at all times :/

 

[TheGeologist]

Is this really how much stronger the penalties are in Dr A over Dr B? If so, I'll gladly drop back down to B. :/

 

[jdmnsprd]

I definitely didn't touch him though. And I have the best margin I can, I cannot be anymore to the right.

You definitely made contact

 

[djidane57]

some paint trading that hinders nobody (again) thats ridiculous , main reason i dont race at interlagos

 

[TheGeologist]

You definitely made contact

For the first penalty? Do you mind showing me where? I really don't think I did.

I am so mad about this. I really don't think I did anything wrong. No wonder others have complained about this system... I can't imagine how easily S drivers get penalties.

 

[jdmnsprd]

For the first penalty? Do you mind showing me where? I really don't think I did.

I am so mad about this. I really don't think I did anything wrong. No wonder others have complained about this system... I can't imagine how easily S drivers get penalties.

Yes for the first penalty At 0:21 you can actually hear it

The second penalty is at 1:07 when you passed on the yellow flag

 

[TheGeologist]

Yes for the first penalty At 0:21 you can actually hear it

The second penalty is at 1:07 when you passed on the yellow flag

The second penalty is for ramming the guy that brake checked me. You don't get penalties for passing the car that caused the yellow. This one is obvious what happened.

If there is contact in the first incident, it is so slight. It doesn't warrant a penalty.. he only got along side me because the mustang ran off.

 

[jdmnsprd]

The second penalty is for ramming the guy that brake checked me. You don't get penalties for passing the car that caused the yellow. This one is obvious what happened.

If there is contact in the first incident, it is so slight. It doesn't warrant a penalty.. he only got along side me because the mustang ran off.

Looks like contact is contact no matter how slighty it is. All we can do is adapt to the new penalty system.

 

[John Smith UK]

The mustang drivers goes off because he catches the white line on the corner, you can see that from the way his cars tail is all over the shop, too much power, wheels not straight will do it on white lines. 2nd car is a brake test and nothing else, it happens time and time again especially on last lap of races. You were unlucky here, would everyone accept the penalty system needs work?
I wish Polyphony would stop hiding and come and address the players on it and their logic for the way it is implemented

 

[Crazy Taylor]

If theres no appearent reason why you didnt get a pen. Might be (but its a long shot) because youre american .

 

[LaSupra]

Is that how the penalties need to be served now?
PD needs to implement a pit-stop style penalty system. If you miss the pits, then an extra 10 second penalty is added on. In no way should it increase because you haven't slowed down in the middle of the track. For all we know, that Subaru might've been trying to serve his penalties by slowing down, causing a hazard for you in the process.

 

[David Bailey]

Some caveman butted me into the sand, took my position left me facing the wrong way and a 4 sec penalty, needless to say I can't take this racing seriously anymore.

 

[manion]

Had a similar thing happen at turn 7? The first hairpin in the middle of the track was following a car closely with no touch, his car didnt move like I had hit it and there was no contact noise but on the way out of the corner I received a 10 second penalty

 

[TheGeologist]

So after doing several Dr A races, I still have no idea what the 3 second penalty was for.

In a few of the races, I received a one second penalty for similar instances where there was no contact or very, very, very slight contact.

In one other race, and hit the back of someone somewhat hard, although it didn't affect them very much. On that incident no one received a penalty.

At no point was I awarded a 3 second penalty in all the races I did, but I did receive a few 1 second penalties. With how light the contact is on the evo (and I still dont believe there was contact), I am surprised I wasn't given a 1 second penalty instead...

I still think it's B.S.

 

[Macboyilija]

@TheGeologist you are driving way to agressive. In fact almost every single second of that video. So to me you should be penalised almost all the time.

Dont get me wrong: I dont mind that you drive like this though. You do drive fair and pay attention to the position of your car compared to other cars. I do the same, but dont seek the contact. That is the difference between agressive and non-agressive. So regardless if there is actual contact.

Clearly this is real close contact racing and was allowed under the old penalty system. But it is no way fair racing as a group of people would call this. Some other groups - like yourself - would not mind.

So there are just 2 camps with this. Fair and agressive vs fair and non-agressive. I am in the last camp. You’re not.

So its not about good or bad, but just personal taste I guess. Should be filtered in SB ratings.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

@TheGeologist you are driving way to agressive. In fact almost every single second of that video. So to me you should be penalised almost all the time.

Dont get me wrong: I dont mind that you drive like this though. You do drive fair and pay attention to the position of your car compared to other cars. I do the same, but dont seek the contact. That is the difference between agressive and non-agressive. So regardless if there is actual contact.

Clearly this is real close contact racing and was allowed under the old penalty system. But it is no way fair racing as a group of people would call this. Some other groups - like yourself - would not mind.

So there are just 2 camps with this. Fair and agressive vs fair and non-agressive. I am in the last camp. You’re not.

So its not about good or bad, but just personal taste I guess. Should be filtered in SB ratings.

If someone drives aggressively but fairly, then what's the issue?

Yes, driving aggressively is more risky but if it is fair (which you say it is), then that means penalties are undeserved.

Aggressive driving doesn't mean someone should be penalised as there is a difference between aggressive driving and unfair driving.

 

[Robben]

Then the weirdest thing of all happens, it begins to grow as I'm driving. I pull off track and the penalty will not reduce, it only reduced when I stopped in the middle of the track...

Didn't read the update notes then?

I pull off track and the penalty will not reduce, it only reduced when I stopped in the middle of the track...

And yeah... this is so time penalties aren't served by people who leave the track through accident/corner cutting. Penalties reduce under certain speeds in certain areas of tracks... on corners, you will have to be nearly stationary, on a straight you can get under 60mph (for example - IDK for sure) and then keep going on and off the throttle to keep your speed up

 

[Nuschel01]

OP doesn't touch the Mustang as the game gave him a green SR for that sector. The penalty has something to do with the Evo, as said before

 

[Robben]

OP doesn't touch the Mustang as the game gave him a green SR for that sector. The penalty has something to do with the Evo, as said before

I think perhaps 3 rubs = 3 seconds with the Evo. Maybe 0.17, 0.20 and 0.21.

1 second is standard for contact which doesn't affect either driver so it stands to reason that 3 x 1 = 3

 

[kjeldsen]

This is absurd! I just got back into Dr A and had my first race ever with a mostly Dr A field (The few races I did in Dr A before were mostly against Dr Bs). The penalties at Dr A are ludicrous!

As I get close to the mustang driver (Clear-static). At first glance it looks like I hit him, please be patient and watch the replay 30 seconds in... The replay clearly shows no contact between the mustang and my viper.

Why on earth was I given a three second penalty?! I continued racing and was planning on removing the penalty at the end of the race. Then on lap 4, Vexatron stops suddenly causing me to ram into him and I now have a 7 second penalty. Then the weirdest thing of all happens, it begins to grow as I'm driving. I pull off track and the penalty will not reduce, it only reduced when I stopped in the middle of the track...

My first race against a mostly Dr A field and I had a top 5 finish going until I was served with these egregious penalties.

First penalty is for hitting the blue car, he is in front has the right of way. 3 seconds.

Next one is for pushing the car of track that went wide and tried to avoid a penalty for leaving track, had you served the 3 seconds before that corner you wouldn't have been there. The rest is just punishment for not serving the time.

But respect for stopping away from the racing line and not let your frustration boil over to the rest of the field..

Happy racing!