What is with these skylines?

[agentlongwood]

What is it with people and the nissan skyline. Dont get me wrong I think they're awsome but they just arent that fast. Out of the box they only run a 13.7 wich is mustang gt terriory but alot of people think that a skyline will walk all over a vette ZO6. I bought an 86 mustang for 500 bucks and spent 1500 on it makin it fast and it runs a 12.6. What is the fascination with the skyline all about?

 

[Cobraking]

Welcome to GTPlanet agenlogwood

Have you droven a Skyline?

 

[agentlongwood]

nope. I watched a TV special on em though. I like the tv screen inside that monitors... well everything. I was just pissed when I found out how slow they are for how much they cost.

 

[SaleenASL]

I really wish i could remember the exact figures, but someone posted a list of inexpensive modifications that produced a 1000HP Skyline. And with AWD you know that HP will get to the pavement. I'll try do dig it up.

 

[SaleenASL]

The skyline's powerplant is amazing, and can handle some significant upgrades in power, without having to add stronger internals.

Here's the link i mentioned earlier. $9560 for +1000 HP

1000HP skyline

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by agentlongwood
What is it with people and the nissan skyline. Dont get me wrong I think they're awsome but they just arent that fast. Out of the box they only run a 13.7 wich is mustang gt terriory but alot of people think that a skyline will walk all over a vette ZO6. I bought an 86 mustang for 500 bucks and spent 1500 on it makin it fast and it runs a 12.6. What is the fascination with the skyline all about?

What did you spend $1,500 on to make an '86 run mid 12's?

 

[agentlongwood]

thats cool and all but $10,000 is just the aftermarket parts. The base price of a skyline is like $60,000. Thats a total of $70,000 dollars... I know I could make a 5.0 mustang run stronger than that with that amount of money. The stang would be a lot lighter too without the 4 wheel drive/steering.

 

[SaleenASL]

Originally posted by agentlongwood
thats cool and all but $10,000 is just the aftermarket parts. The base price of a skyline is like $60,000. Thats a total of $70,000 dollars... I know I could make a 5.0 mustang run stronger than that with that amount of money. The stang would be a lot lighter too without the 4 wheel drive/steering.

Possibly, but it would require major reworkings of the engine internals. The skyline's engine didn't need internal strengthening.

With 1000+ HP on a RWD car, you would just smoke those rear meats. You would need drag radials or something.

 

[SaleenASL]

Originally posted by Josh
What did you spend $1,500 on to make an '86 run mid 12's?

I'm waiting for that answer, as well.

 

[agentlongwood]

Originally posted by Josh
What did you spend $1,500 on to make an '86 run mid 12's?

Parts my dad had in his garage: Edelbrock carb and performer RPM intake manifold: free.

Parts taken from a friends car that cought fire: 1990 5.0 H.O. w/ ported heads, underdrive pulleys, e303 camshaft, shorty headers, offroad X-pipe, flowmasters: 400 bucks

Parts ordered from summit: MSD 6A ignition control module, MSD billit distributer, MSD coil: I think like 350 bucks.

The rest of the money I spent taking it to the shop and having them make sure it was put together right and fix it when it wasnt.

My car stared off as a V-6 so it was lighter than a gt without all the extras (bodywork and crap). It weighed about 2800 pounds. With the V-8 and some of the other stuff in the car I weighed it and it came out to 3100.

I have never dynoed the car but I use dektop dyno and it says the engine should be putting out between 350 and 380 horse.

 

[agentlongwood]

Originally posted by SaleenASL
Possibly, but it would require major reworkings of the engine internals. The skyline's engine didn't need internal strengthening.

With 1000+ HP on a RWD car, you would just smoke those rear meats. You would need drag radials or something.

It may require major reworkings but it also requires tens of thousands of dollars less money. The fastest race cars in the world (top fuel dragsters) are rear wheel drive.

 

[SaleenASL]

Originally posted by agentlongwood
It may require major reworkings but it also requires tens of thousands of dollars less money. The fastest race cars in the world (top fuel dragsters) are rear wheel drive.

Since when are top fuel dragsters street-legal?

you would need some serious slicks at the back to get the power to the pavement. last time i checked, those kind of slicks weren't street legal.

 

[agentlongwood]

I know. But on street tires my car can take a stock skyline. I know mine isnt stock but I spent a whole lot less which is what Im getting at. The skyline motor is bad ass and has lots of potential but for the same money you can have a faster mustang. I know skylines look way cooler than my car lol but Id rather have a faster ugly car than a slow exspensive car.

 

[SaleenASL]

Originally posted by agentlongwood
I know. But on street tires my car can take a stock skyline. I know mine isnt stock but I spent a whole lot less which is what Im getting at. The skyline motor is bad ass and has lots of potential but for the same money you can have a faster mustang. I know skylines look way cooler than my car lol but Id rather have a faster ugly car than a slow exspensive car.

True.

I wouldn't refer to the skyline as a "slow expensive car", but i understand you were speaking in relative terms.

I'm actually looking into getting a 5.0 for myself.

 

[agentlongwood]

alright man! Ive had mine for about half a year. well Ive owned the car for 3 years but its been half a year since its been fast and I love it. It makes messin with the punkasses in hondas and middle aged guys in expensive cars on the way to work a blast. What year you lookin at, if any specific year?

 

[SaleenASL]

95, 94, 89-87. Doesn't have to be a GT, LX wouldn't bother me. Has to be manual transmission and 5.0L

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by agentlongwood
What is it with people and the nissan skyline. Dont get me wrong I think they're awsome but they just arent that fast. Out of the box they only run a 13.7 wich is mustang gt terriory but alot of people think that a skyline will walk all over a vette ZO6. I bought an 86 mustang for 500 bucks and spent 1500 on it makin it fast and it runs a 12.6. What is the fascination with the skyline all about?

The ol' GT-R is about a bit more than just the standing quarter. The original R32 was designed to dominate the old Group A touring car formula, something it did so effectively it destroyed Group A. If you put them head to head on a race track the Skyline would slaughter the Mustang.

 

[agentlongwood]

and your wallet. For the price of a skyline you can make a mustang walk all over a GT-R

 

[agentlongwood]

Originally posted by SaleenASL
95, 94, 89-87. Doesn't have to be a GT, LX wouldn't bother me. Has to be manual transmission and 5.0L

I like the 94-95s. the 5.0 in a car that doesnt look so ugly. The ford automatics arent bad trannys. their certainly not as fun as a manual but performance wise the ford AOD transmision is tough to beat.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

ok here I go again.......about the skyline I mean.....the skyline GTR was designed as a track car not a 1/4 mile car.....in japan the 1/4 mile is a joke...whats the point of buliding a car that can only go straight?...anyway a track tests all aspects of a car and as vat_man said it was made to dominate group A racing....and it did...infact it worked so well that for some time it was actually banned from group A racing because it was unbeatable and all of the other teams admited to it...so they had to rewrite the rules and de-tune the skylines so they could participate....so I'm sure if you put the stang and skyline on a real track the skyline would win even stock....as for the skyline being "slow" the only reason the skyline lags in the 1/4 mile is that the japanese government has a rule that no car can put out over 280 hp from the factory....so its not the skylines fault....razorGTR (a gtplanet member) has a skyline with a bigger intercooler,steel downpipe,exhaust,boost controller, ECU and a 2400lb single plate paddle clutch and he can launch at 7000 rpm and runs a 11.82@112 mph in full street trim including spare wheel and all tools plus a full non stripped interior......veliside has a 1360 hp skyline thats still street legal....how many 5.0's can do that?.....as for being so expensive you have to remember that most of the price on the car is due to very high import taxes, dealer markups, legalization....etc...I get your point you could spend less money on a 5.0 to make it fast but there are TONS of them around....how may skylines do you see everyday?....plus it's a status kinda thing...like haha I own a skyline and you dont....I've actually driven one here in arizona....they're pretty bas ass....if you ever get a chance take one for a spin and see what it can do!

 

[HRT_Maloo]

Originally posted by agentlongwood
and your wallet. For the price of a skyline you can make a mustang walk all over a GT-R

Hes talking race track, not a drag strip.
And Im sick of hearing bull**** like "with the price of the Skyline, the Mustang could slaughter it" bull****. Compare them stock, showroom condition. And Im sure a Skyline can run faster than 12.7. More like 12.3. But thats not the Skylines main purpose, so who gives a ****?

 

[GilesGuthrie]

It's perfectly possible that a Mustang would be faster in certain conditions. But those conditions would pretty much be an absence of corners. You might want to have a look at these Japanses techno-boxes in their natural habitat, i.e the Scottish Highlands, where it's always wet, and the corners (most of them blind, off camber, uneven surface) come up on average about every two seconds. You wouldn't even need a Skyline to humiliate a 'stang there, you could do it in an Impreza or an Evo.

 

[Vasco]

Hey, vat was talking about the R32 GTR Skyline, guess how much that costs in US down here:
Around 15,000.

 

[RazorGTR]

Originally posted by agentlongwood
What is it with people and the nissan skyline. Dont get me wrong I think they're awsome but they just arent that fast. Out of the box they only run a 13.7 wich is mustang gt terriory but alot of people think that a skyline will walk all over a vette ZO6. I bought an 86 mustang for 500 bucks and spent 1500 on it makin it fast and it runs a 12.6. What is the fascination with the skyline all about?

I've done a 12.1 and I have spent a whole $600 NZ on mods for the car which is about $300 USD and only running 14.6 psi of boost.

Considering the size of the engine which is 2.6 liters as comparted to 5.7 or larger on the Vettes or a 5.0 on a Stang.

Also I've done that in full trim with daily used tyres. The Z06 is a specialty car. It is not the base production or heavily massed produced. The GTR from the 1989-1994 R32, 1995-1998 R33, 1999-2002 R34 were mass produced.

The R32 weights approx 3152 lbs. That is about the same weight or lighter than a 5.0 GT.

As far as price well lets see. The R32 is about $14,000 USD here. Cheaper in Japan. A 1995 Mustang GT 5.0 will set me back on average of $15,000 USD here. HRT your point is mute as it is dependant on your location.

At the end of the day you can make any car go really well. The GTR Skyline is not the greatest car of all time. I used to think my Camaro was when I was still living in Chicago. I had that theroy of there is no replacement for displacment. I have owned a 1972 Corvette Stingray, 78 Camaro Drag car pushing over 1,400hp, 1986 Firebird Trans Am, 1969 Chevelle SS 396. Out of all of them this car I currently own is without a doubt in my personal opinon the funnest to drive. I can drive it daily as I do, take it to the strip and have a blast running low 12's high 11's and then the next weekend take to the circut track and run very competitive lap times. All that without changing a thing on the car.

A mate of mine who has put about $5,000 US in his GTR runs high 10's on street tyres. Low 11's in full trim though.

A pro-import GTR here runs mid 8's on DOT tyres not slicks. i wouldn't call that slow and umm it still goes around corners nicely.

If I had the money I would own a Maclaren F1. Why? Simply put it is the baddest of the bad. it is also rare and something anyone with petrol in their blood can identify with.

Don't get me wrong. I love all high performance cars with in reason. I enjoy talking about them with anyone who is into them aswell. Narrow minded people I can do without though. Most everyone that cuts a particular car down has never driven one or owned one. I just can not for the life of me understand that. I guess old age has a tendancy to do that to you.

One more quick thing about lap times on a local circut. I've done a 1:14.xxx and most of the V8's that are fairly standard are in the mid 1:20's. I don't make up a huge amount down the straights. I do however through the corners and coming out of them.

 

[agentlongwood]

whoa whoa whoa, Im not trying to be mister skyline basher here. I said before that I think they're just bad ass. What Im saying is that they are way overpriced for what they are. Kinda like the NSX but not near as bad as the honda. You guys for the most part know what your talking about and/or own the car. Im was talkin about the average Vin Diesel wannabe who says that the skyline and supra are the best cars ever made and is ignorant to the rest of the automotive world.

And hey the ZO6 is a production car. Its just like a corvette GT-R.

 

[Gil]

Longwood,
The other factor for the Skyline it that is considered "unobtanium" here in the U.S. While in most towns in the U.S. you can't swing a cat and not hit a Mustang.
A fast car is a great thing. A fast car that nobody else on your block has one of is even greater.

 

[miata13B]

Originally posted by Gil
Lngwood,
The other factor for the Skyline it that is considered "unobtanium" here in the U.S. While in most towns in the us you can't swing a cat and not hit a Mustang.
A fast car is a great thing. A fast car that nobody else on your block has one of is even greater.

And a fast car that is a sleeper is even better ie a Fiero with a 350 in it.

 

[Gil]

Originally posted by miata13B
And a fast car that is a sleeper is even better ie a Fiero with a 350 in it.

I was thinking more of a WRX Station Wagon, with a Turbo/ Intercooler upgrade.

 

[miata13B]

Originally posted by Gil
I was thinking more of a WRX Station Wagon, with a Turbo/ Intercooler upgrade.

Actually I remember in my early days of racing, I was 16, I saw this Volvo Station wagon that was spinning the rear tires really slow, post with a third gen Camaro. . . My friend was laughing at it because the rear tires were moving in slow motion. I bet my buddy $50 that the Volvo wins. Mind you I never seen the car before. In the End the Volvo runs a 10 sec quater and destroys the Camaro. That is a sleeper there. What a beautiful thing turbo lag is sometimes

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by miata13B
Actually I remember in my early days of racing, I was 16, I saw this Volvo Station wagon that was spinning the rear tires really slow, post with a third gen Camaro. . . My friend was laughing at it because the rear tires were moving in slow motion. I bet my buddy $50 that the Volvo wins. Mind you I never seen the car before. In the End the Volvo runs a 10 sec quater and destroys the Camaro. That is a sleeper there. What a beautiful thing turbo lag is sometimes

Yeah, everyone thinks that the 850 T5 was Volvo's first quick car. They've been building rocketships (albeit with questionable handling) for years now.