What is with these skylines?

Notwithstanding the fact that I could go out and buy a 1999 R34 in the UK for £30000 (About $50k, A$60k) and actually insure it (at 25 years old) affordably. Whereas an F355 would cost me at least £70,000 (unless it's been crashed) and I'd stand no chance of insuring it at all.

Is the extra performance worth £40,000? Hell no.
 
Originally posted by Nightmage82
yes its definitely a 355 spider (spider means its convertible).

and no matter what cartest says it couldn't stand a chance of competing against a 700hp supra in a straight line, nitrous or no nitrous.

i think the reason people object to ferraris is that they cost so much. when they really need not. i admit that paying up to $150,000 for any car is (more or less) acceptable and sometimes necessary but anything more than that is just jokes. porsche have the major advantage over ferrari that they have cars at the bottom end that are very affordable by anyones standards. a second hand 944 can be picked up for $8000 (or £5000). at least it can in the UK, and although it may be old, its still fast, and definitely a porsche in every sense of the word. you can't buy ferraris for that kind of money. not to mention the boxster isn't horrendously expensive when new.

yes sometimes you need to make the cars exclusive (f50, clkgtr, carerra gt) but not your entire range. the consequence of which is that virtually the ONLY people who buy ferraris are people with more cash than brains, and probably less than 5% share the love for cars that people in this forum do. you only ever see ferraris been driven by ****s and you get jealous. but lets make no mistakes the 355 is beautiful and its V8 sounds amazing, don't pass any judgement until you've heard one in real life.

but imo the current ferrari range is hella-ugly and the porsche GT2/GT3 (996) is one of the most beautiful cars in the world, so when i've saved up enough, thats what im buying! :D

sorry about the long message
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Very well written post. I agree totally.
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
depends on what kind of sound you like...I prefer the skyline.
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I like high revving engines.

But If I have the choice, i'll get the skyline.(who cares about the noise:) )
 
But the sound. I'm talking bout the sound.
If I get a choice:
Car:skyline not F355.
Sound of the car:F355 not skyline.

Get it?
 
Ferrari has a very distinct sound. One that I personally think would make any red blooded sports car enthusisast get all giddy. I've seen plenty, well for me anyways.

Just up the road from where I work is a European pannel and paint shop. They get quite a few exotics in there from lambos, ferrari, porsche, etc. Too bad 99% of them are a fair bit dinged up but still we get to see them drive past my work once they are all fixed up :)
 
i just go to church to see exotics and cool cars....for some reason we have quite a few rich people there so they like to show off their cars....theres a hummer H1 and H2, lambo diablo, NSX-T,BMW 760Li, some high end mercedes's too!
 
The reason people have fell in love with skylines is because of propaganda...Skylines are great cars, they they have AWD without a side mounted transmission, along with that some models came with some badazz transmissions. 1000HP yes...Stock drivetrain? HEll no..The worlds fastest AWD Skyline run's.....8's I believe. Aswell as that any "tuner" who get's 1000HP from a RB26DETT is only going to run 9's AWD or not. You have to invest lots and lots of time to get a 1000HP TT car to be fast, same goes for supra's...That's why... NSX'S ARE BETTER!!...As far as the initial statement, yeah your 86 mustang may be faster than a stock skyline, but it's still an 86 mustang, and 1/4 isn't everything to everyone.
 
The reason people have fell in love with skylines is because of propaganda...Skylines are great cars, they they have AWD without a side mounted transmission, along with that some models came with some badazz transmissions. 1000HP yes...Stock drivetrain? HEll no..The worlds fastest AWD Skyline run's.....8's I believe. Aswell as that any "tuner" who get's 1000HP from a RB26DETT is only going to run 9's AWD or not. You have to invest lots and lots of time to get a 1000HP TT car to be fast, same goes for supra's...That's why... NSX'S ARE BETTER!!...As far as the initial statement, yeah your 86 mustang may be faster than a stock skyline, but it's still an 86 mustang, and 1/4 isn't everything to everyone.:lol:
 
Originally posted by Shinez
1000HP yes...Stock drivetrain? HEll no.
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who said the drivetrain was stock?

Originally posted by Shinez
The worlds fastest AWD Skyline run's.....8's I believe. Aswell as that any "tuner" who get's 1000HP from a RB26DETT is only going to run 9's AWD or not.
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the HKS Skyline Drag car runs a 7.95 @ 181 MPH in the 1/4 mile
link : http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=306&p=4

HKS's supra runs 6's....well.... 6.893 @ 193.13 MPH to be exact so supra's are not bad either...

Originally posted by Shinez
You have to invest lots and lots of time to get a 1000HP TT car to be fast...
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usually a tuner will opt for a single turbo in the 1/4 mile for faster spool up instead of the twin turbo because there would be too much lag :D

Originally posted by Shinez
The reason people have fell in love with skylines is because of propaganda...Skylines are great cars, they they have AWD without a side mounted transmission, along with that some models came with some badazz transmissions.
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What propoganda? :confused: I fell in love with skylines because I got to drive one and have seen what they can do....not "propoganda" :D ....also I dont get something...are you for or against skylines? becuse it seems that you like them and dont...just wondering


Originally posted by Shinez
You have to invest lots and lots of time to get a 1000HP TT car to be fast, same goes for supra's...That's why... NSX'S ARE BETTER!!...
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so are you saying that making an NSX have 1000 HP doesn't take lots of time????....also if the car has 1000 HP you dont have to invest ANY time to make it fast...it already is...you just have to invest the time to make it get to 1000 HP ;)....1 more thing...I love the NSX so dont get me wrong but what makes an NSX better than a skyline?...or did you just mean that NSX's are better than supras?

BTW....having 1000 HP is great but what good is it if you can only use it at the track?...thats why I like Veilside so much..not only do they make kick a$$ quality aero products but their R-34 street drag skyline runs 1360 HP and is still street legal....:mischievous:

(with all the advertising I do for veilside you think they would send me a sticker or something :lol:)

I hope my post dosn't offend you or make you angry....I just want to know where you stand on the issues....OH YEAH 1 MORE THING!!!

:cheers: WELCOME TO GTPLANET! :cheers:
 
Originally posted by Shinez
The reason people have fell in love with skylines is because of propaganda...Skylines are great cars, they they have AWD without a side mounted transmission, along with that some models came with some badazz transmissions. 1000HP yes...Stock drivetrain? HEll no..The worlds fastest AWD Skyline run's.....8's I believe. Aswell as that any "tuner" who get's 1000HP from a RB26DETT is only going to run 9's AWD or not. You have to invest lots and lots of time to get a 1000HP TT car to be fast, same goes for supra's...That's why... NSX'S ARE BETTER!!...As far as the initial statement, yeah your 86 mustang may be faster than a stock skyline, but it's still an 86 mustang, and 1/4 isn't everything to everyone.:lol:
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usually a tuner will opt for a single turbo in the 1/4 mile for faster spool up instead of the twin turbo because there would be too much lag
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Yes often a tuner will opt for a single turbo, but at the end of the day the faster of the 2 will be the twin turbo.

so are you saying that making an NSX have 1000 HP doesn't take lots of time????...
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I never said anything about a NSX having 1000 HP...I'm saying a NSX with 6-700 horses will beat MOST(Not all) of the 1000HP Supra's and Skylines out there.

What propoganda? I fell in love with skylines because I got to drive one and have seen what they can do....not "propoganda" ....also I dont get something...are you for or against skylines? becuse it seems that you like them and dont...just wondering
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first I wasn't just reffering towards YOU. Yes I know there are fans out there such as yourself that have loved the skyline for years and years, then again there's ALOT of fans out there who had no idea what a Skyline was untill they played Gran Turismo 2/3...I love Skylines, I plan on getting a 32 GTST myself.

I love the NSX so dont get me wrong but what makes an NSX better than a skyline?...or did you just mean that NSX's are better than supras?
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Honesty, I do think NSX's are better than skylines, simply because they are a very potent and very light Mid mounted RWD N/A Engine. I mean the nsx-s zero for instance, 12.8 in the 1/4 from a n/a V6 aswell as being able to handle well over a G on the skidpad. I'm well aware there is a price difference, but you'd be paying for a partially hand crafted car.

also if the car has 1000 HP you dont have to invest ANY time to make it fast...it already is
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I have to dissagree with that one, I've seen PLENTY of cars ::cough:: supra's ::cough:: who have had 1000, 1200 HP and still having trouble running 9's...Like I said...Not all tuners can make a 1000HP car run as fast as others.
 
It would be nice to see a mod lock this thread before it gets ugly. I thought I've seen it all but this latest one really needs to start to do research or at least read the entire thread before comments like this "sigh"

Most 1000 hp GTR's are in the 8's. The HKS R33 Drag car has also run an unofficial 7.46 et.

I also don't think your NSX's factory drive train will hand more than 450hp before it starts to shyt itself. Since the NSX is NA getting more than 650hp out of it is a huge ask and even if you did the life of the motor would be so short it would be no good for anything other than racing.

A true test of a car's outright performance it its acceleration ability, and cornering ability.

You obviously have no concept of tuning. Going into details of such would be a complete waste of time. There is more to tuning than merely slapping on some bits.
 
A true test of a car's outright performance it its acceleration ability, and cornering ability.
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As I implied before but it was obviously missread, now tell me this, which car has won more of the recent JGTC'S, the NSX or the Skyline? Which of the 2 handles more lateral G's stock for stock, NSX or Skyline? Which of the 2 has the better drag coeffecient?

Most 1000 hp GTR's are in the 8's. The HKS R33 Drag car has also run an unofficial 7.46 et.
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Yeah, and most 1000HP Supra's are in the 9's and 10's
 
Originally posted by Shinez
Yes often a tuner will opt for a single turbo, but at the end of the day the faster of the 2 will be the twin turbo.
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yes but most TT systems will not have enough time to spool up to full boost before the end of the 1/4 mile..... in top speed yes they will be faster but only because there are two of them...unless the single turbo puts out more boost than the 2 on the TT :D

Originally posted by Shinez
I have to dissagree with that one, I've seen PLENTY of cars ::cough:: supra's ::cough:: who have had 1000, 1200 HP and still having trouble running 9's...Like I said...Not all tuners can make a 1000HP car run as fast as others.
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ok....so they :sarcasm: ONLY run 9's in the 1/4 mile on 1000 hp....who cares just because a car has 1000 hp doesn't mean it should run 7's or something....veilides drag R-34 (the 1360 hp one) has tons of HP but can be beaten by many cars in the 1/4 mile becuase thats not what it was built for...So it all depends on your definition of "fast"... what do YOU consider fast...top speed, 1/4 mile, lap times?

IN YOUR OWN WORDS:
Originally posted by Shinez
1/4 isn't everything to everyone.
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as for the NSX....I would listen to RazorGTR..he knows what he is talking about and I have grown to respect what he says..you should too.... and sure a 650 hp N/A NSX may be very fast...but take it to the streets for everyday drving and lets see who last longer the 600 hp N/A NSX or the 1000 HP GTR or Supra...My money is on the supra and GTR because although N/A is great....you cant really turn it down like you can a turbo :D for me reliablity is important too.

Originally posted by Shinez
now tell me this, which car has won more of the recent JGTC'S, the NSX or the Skyline?
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lets see according to the official site

round 1 1st supra, 2nd skyline, 3rd NSX

round 2 1st skyline, 2nd skyline, 3rd supra, 4th skyline, 5th supra then at 6th an NSX

round 3 1st supra, 2nd supra, 3rd skyline, 4th supra, 5th skyline, 6th supra, and 7th NSX

round 4 hasnt been raced yet..... Hmm you did say recent right? well these are the most recent results and in ALL of the races so far this season, the NSX has been beaten by BOTH the supra AND skyline IN EVERY RACE dont belive me? here :D http://www.jgtc.net/index_en.htm

Man I love this stuff...It's so fun..:D :lol:
 
yes but most TT systems will not have enough time to spool up to full boost before the end of the 1/4 mile..... in top speed yes they will be faster but only because there are two of them...unless the single turbo puts out more boost than the 2 on the TT
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Hah, tell that to the titan supra:lol:

ok....so they :sarcasm: ONLY run 9's in the 1/4 mile on 1000 hp....who cares just because a car has 1000 hp doesn't mean it should run 7's or something....veilides drag R-34 (the 1360 hp one) has tons of HP but can be beaten by many cars in the 1/4 mile becuase thats not what it was built for...So it all depends on your definition of "fast"... what do YOU consider fast...top speed, 1/4 mile, lap times?
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ok..First if it's Veilsides(Notice the spelling) DRAG R-34 then it is purpose built for that is it not? why woould it be dubbed the DRAG R-34 if it wasn't meant for drag racing, unless it's a cross dressing car(hyuck hyuck).
Second..I'm well aware that 9 is FAST, but for 1000+ Hp it's not as fast as the #'s signify, i mean there are TT cars out there with less than 1000HP that are running 9's and don't go into the "There's a huge difference between 9's and 8's" I'm well aware of that.

as for the NSX....I would listen to RazorGTR..he knows what he is talking about and I have grown to respect what he says..you should too.... and sure a 650 hp N/A NSX may be very fast...but take it to the streets for everyday drving and lets see who last longer the 600 hp N/A NSX or the 1000 HP GTR or Supra...My money is on the supra and GTR because although N/A is great....you cant really turn it down like you can a turbo for me reliablity is important too.
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I did take into full consideration the reliability factor, and yes RazorGTR's insight was well worth it. I understand a 600HP N/A NSX wouldn't be reliable, but I never mentioned the 600HP would be from a N/A C32, maybe it was read wrong, or maybe I typed it odd.


p.s.
Fast is speed
quick is 1/4
overall is lap times

I know I had used some of the wrong wordage earlier, just substitute.
 
Ok I need to settle down here :)

A thought for you two :)

In Japan they have the RH9 club. That is STREET legal cars that can run consistantly in the 9sec bracket on a 1/4. Of these cars 90% of them are twin turbo, not single turbo.

Turbo charging is an art from the word go. There are so many factors that have to be taken into consideration. I am not only refering to boost thresh hold but also all the tuning plus cams, head work, exhaust the list goes on.
Now not withstanding the use of another or additional power adder twin turbos on a small displacement engine becomes not an art but now into science.

There was a very good thread a while back on turbos I don't have much time while at work to look it up, but do a search as it is in this part of the forums.

Bang for the buck a large single within reason is great in the 850hp - 1000hp bracket. After that it is back to twins. Why? Simply put flow rate. The flow rates are reduced in each of the turbine housings to bring boost threashold back down while retaining overall power output from the compressor side. Not to mention the flow available through the turbine housing. Thus your AR ratings come into effect. As a quick example of what I am saying. A pair HKS GT2530 turbos will flow 600-625hp on an RB26DETT motor. they will hit full boost of 1.4 bar (@20psi) at 3,500 rpms. To get the same hp out of a single turbo Trust GT35 your peak boost will move to about 4,800 rpm.

The difference begins to close down within reason until you get up to the big boys. Like the HKS T51R SPL where peak boost is now closing in on 6,900 rpm. Twin GT 35-30's will flow the same as the big single but due to the smaller ar rating of the exhust and compressor housings and smaller wheels peak boost will be @ 6,500 rpm. While it doesn't seem like much until you experince the lag yourself first hand. There are all exceptions to the rules persay but generally speaking in a drag racing application where you can use a full sequencial trans or automatic big twins for ultimate power are it.

On the circut you are not after max hp but throttle responce. Thus again smaller more responsive twins are it.

Why or what good are big singles? Simply put they are much easier to work with. There is less to go wrong less pluming, and easier to set your boost to gear tuning. They are also much heavier built and can take a huge amount of punishment. As I have said in the 800-1000 hp brackets a good large roller bearing single would make a great choice due to the boost threasholds of comprable twins being nearly identical yet you have a lot less to mess around with to get the same result.

:)
 
Originally posted by Shinez
Hah, tell that to the titan supra:lol:
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i said MOST but yeah there are some quick twin turbos too :D

Originally posted by Shinez
ok..First if it's Veilsides(Notice the spelling)
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o crap sorry about the spelling I was watching TV while I was trying to write :lol:

Originally posted by Shinez
ok..First if it's Veilsides(Notice the spelling) DRAG R-34 then it is purpose built for that is it not? why woould it be dubbed the DRAG R-34 if it wasn't meant for drag racing, unless it's a cross dressing car(hyuck hyuck).
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Im not sure why they call it the street drag skyline if its not meant for drag racing but then again the japanese have some weird quirks...It even says street drag on the side.....but the car was built for top speed runs :lol:
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Originally posted by Shinez
Second..I'm well aware that 9 is FAST, but for 1000+ Hp it's not as fast as the #'s signify, i mean there are TT cars out there with less than 1000HP that are running 9's and don't go into the "There's a huge difference between 9's and 8's" I'm well aware of that.
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yeah I figure that 1000 hp should run faster than a 9 but they dont seem to say if thats at the flywheel or wheels that can make a big difference... still tho they SHOULD be faster....driver skill has alot to do with it too but unless he fell asleep that shouldn't matter that much...I dunno....one of those unsolved mysteries of the universe....we may never know....:lol:

sorry if I came off sounding like a jackass I just love my skylines and get kind of carried away...

As for the JGTC's even though the skyline and supras have been winning so far this season the NSX has been kepping up pretty well...last year the NSX won quite a few races...as I said I have nothing against the NSX, I love all cars....except geos...., The NSX is even in my list of my fav cars of all time...so is the supra....a few old american cars too like the buick grand national...
 
hey RazorGTR have you seen/heard about the hydracharger? it was supposed to be released but hasn't yet they made it by mating a turbocharger's compressor to a tiny little turbine driven by high-pressure hydraulic fluid, this little device promised the efficiency of a turbocharger with the response of a supercharger and tunability and packaging benefits all its own... weird
 
I have a question out of the ordinary....Who's played the "Arcade" version of Tokyo Xtreme Racer Zero...I've only seen one and it's at Pizza hut....it's the EXACT same as TXRZ Except it has little "comic book" anime interludes between each race. other than that it's identical...Aswell as that...Aww i'll start a new thread..
:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
Im not sure why they call it the street drag skyline if its not meant for drag racing but then again the japanese have some weird quirks...It even says street drag on the side.....but the car was built for top speed runs :lol:
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im surprised it doesn't say, street-o drag-o
 
And I still think Andrew racing F's are some of the if not THE nicest rim's i've ever seen....Some Volk's match it..but not in the same style sense.
 

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