What should happen going forward GT Academy POLL

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How should GT Academy handle round 2 going toward round 3?

  • 64 per region advance. Exploits not enforced going forward.

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I think there are a lot of us that are fairly upset at how round 2 has gone. I am creating this poll so, hopefully, the organizers of the GT Academy can see what we, as a community, would like done.

Explanation of what I meant by exploits in the poll:

Put more than 2 wheels off the track, DQ. Hit a wall, DQ. Anything deemed an exploit, DQ. If exploits are to be enforced, issue a warning to all contestants stating the above.

Also, please choose carefully. Keep in mind, we will most likely not know what GT Academy is going to allow before the deadline tomorrow night. Some of the "clean" racers may feel the need to bounce a wall close to the deadline if the Academy hasn't clarified the rules.
 
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DQ cheaters, and give us 1 single track to run for one day to find the top 16 for round 2

Sorry scir16v, put up the thread up before I included the poll options. They are up right now. The one you suggested is not currently up, but if another person wants that option, I will add it.
I was trying to post options that would not need the GT Academy to change their schedule. The options above would allow them to hold round 3 during the time proposed. Only change would be the amount of players in that round and the "rules" of that round.
Let me know what you think.

I chose let 64 per region advance. Exploits enforced going forward.
My thinking was that the people that are "clean" and have a legit chance to win this should be in at least the top 64. The next round will weed out the people that only advanced by "exploitation." This should be easy to enforce for the GT Academy as only 8 from each region move to round 4. Not too many replays to have to certify. Hopefully only 32.
 
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To make this a real racing simulator... one needs to be stimulated when they hit the wall, too bad the game doesn't have a tazer attachment that would shock the wheel once a certain G impact is recorded. But then again maybe the G indicator only goes to 2...
 
I think there are a lot of us that are fairly upset at how round 2 has gone. I am creating this poll so, hopefully, the organizers of the GT Academy can see what we, as a community, would like done.

Explanation of what I meant by exploits in the poll:

Put more than 2 wheels off the track, DQ. Hit a wall, DQ. Anything deemed an exploit, DQ. If exploits are to be enforced, issue a warning to all contestants stating the above.

Also, please choose carefully. Keep in mind, we will most likely not know what GT Academy is going to allow before the deadline tomorrow night. Some of the "clean" racers may feel the need to bounce a wall close to the deadline if the Academy hasn't clarified the rules.

More than TWO wheels off the track? Seems to me you used to be able to drop three wheels off the track in the license tests and get by, as long as you held it together. So long as ONE tire stayed in contact with the track - even with the Armco - it was good enough.

Also, define "hit a wall". The license tests and the old penalty system seemed to be somewhat lenient on the issue. Hit it hard with the front part of the car, and you're DQ'd or get a time penalty; hit it semi-hard with a rear quarter-panel, and no harm, no foul.

Define "exploit". ABS on 1? TCS on 2? Driving line?

Maybe going forward, the Academy should offer ONE setup, ONE choice, NO adjustments for anything, and penalize anything less than an absolute perfect lap. I thought it was about finding the fastest way around a track, and that can vary from driver to driver.
 
this is bs. I was 8th today and i get back on tonight after not being on all day and im sitting 25 being passed by cheaters. wow
 
At this time, I think the wall bouncers should be DQ'd automatically. Because they are all the same people who were cutting corners at Indy, and a couple of them mowing at Eifel. Get rid of them and be done with it.
 
At this time, I think the wall bouncers should be DQ'd automatically. Because they are all the same people who were cutting corners at Indy, and a couple of them mowing at Eifel. Get rid of them and be done with it.

My thoughts exactly. Please PLEASE end this insanity!!
 
What are you doing if the 64 drivers are "cheaters"?
Seems a bit unfair against the "clean" drivers.


raVer

I can't imagine that there would be that many "cheaters," but it is possible. I figured 64 would at least blanket the good "clean" drivers, and they could dominate the "cheaters" when hopefully no more "exploits" would be allowed in round 3.

More than TWO wheels off the track? Seems to me you used to be able to drop three wheels off the track in the license tests and get by, as long as you held it together. So long as ONE tire stayed in contact with the track - even with the Armco - it was good enough.

Also, define "hit a wall". The license tests and the old penalty system seemed to be somewhat lenient on the issue. Hit it hard with the front part of the car, and you're DQ'd or get a time penalty; hit it semi-hard with a rear quarter-panel, and no harm, no foul.

Define "exploit". ABS on 1? TCS on 2? Driving line?

Maybe going forward, the Academy should offer ONE setup, ONE choice, NO adjustments for anything, and penalize anything less than an absolute perfect lap. I thought it was about finding the fastest way around a track, and that can vary from driver to driver.

I am fine with two wheels or one wheel, but 2 wheels seems easier to define intent. I think any hit of a wall should be disallowed, too much interpretation would be involved if trying to classify a wall hit.
As far as the driving options, ABS is almost required with the current braking setup with both controller and most wheels. Hopefully with an update, ABS can be less necessary. As far as TCS, I think almost all on here would agree that you will not achieve a top time with that on. I would also classify driving line as something less than optimal.


Thank you everyone for taking the time to comment and take the poll. Hopefully this poll will continue to receive votes. I hope GT Academy gets a feeling from the community of what needs to be done going forward. So far, I am a little surprised at the strong response for DQ immediately, as some of the clean drivers are definitely going to be tempted up against the clock tomorrow. I doubt we will get a response from the organizers before that occurs, but you never know.

I am not surprised that the vote is 16-2 for "exploits" being punished. Take note GT Academy, you can't run a competition without rules or governing of the rules. Please do what is right. If this problem isn't dealt with, the drivers representing Nissan and GT5 in the finals might be far from capable.
 
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I can't imagine that there would be that many "cheaters," but it is possible. I figured 64 would at least blanket the good "clean" drivers, and they could dominate the "cheaters" when hopefully no more "exploits" would be allowed in round 3.



I am fine with two wheels or one wheel, but 2 wheels seems easier to define intent. I think any hit of a wall should be disallowed, too much interpretation would be involved if trying to classify a wall hit.
As far as the driving options, ABS is almost required with the current braking setup with both controller and most wheels. Hopefully with an update, ABS can be less necessary. As far as TCS, I think almost all on here would agree that you will not achieve a top time with that on. I would also classify driving line as something less than optimal.


This is not a "Kindergarden" , so none of the "cheaters" should be allowed.
Same goes with Driving Aids , they should be permitted too.



raVer
 
This is not a "Kindergarden" , so none of the "cheaters" should be allowed.

I would agree completely if the Academy had been more explicit about the rules. Unfortunately they left it a huge grey area. I am on the fence about what should be done with the current "cheaters/exploiters."
Going forward, I think a definitive set of rules should be closely followed. Don't follow these rules, DQ!
 
I can't imagine that there would be that many "cheaters," but it is possible. I figured 64 would at least blanket the good "clean" drivers, and they could dominate the "cheaters" when hopefully no more "exploits" would be allowed in round 3.

I am fine with two wheels or one wheel, but 2 wheels seems easier to define intent. I think any hit of a wall should be disallowed, too much interpretation would be involved if trying to classify a wall hit.

Agreed, and I only pointed it out for clarification. I believe F1 just stipulates that one tire be in contact with the racing surface at all times, or something to that effect.

The wall-hit thing *should be* easy enough to fix, too - I ran a 1-make event in the practice area using only the '69 GT-40, and had the damage cranked up to its highest sensitivity. Everything went great, UNTIL the last lap, where I got the second chicane a bit wrong, went wide on exit, and smacked the wall a decent clout. Boom - the car was basically done. I couldn't really tell if I cut a tire or bent a suspension arm, but the car was all but undrivable after that, pulling hard to the left, then snapping to the right, etc.

I've no doubt that GT Academy could have the same kind of damage model working. Wanna play with the walls and try to romance them a bit? Fine, but you'll most likely get bit in the arse for your trouble!

As far as the driving options, ABS is almost required with the current braking setup with both controller and most wheels. Hopefully with an update, ABS can be less necessary. As far as TCS, I think almost all on here would agree that you will not achieve a top time with that on. I would also classify driving line as something less than optimal.

Agreed. I tend to run my default settings with ABS = 1, and while I find the driving line helpful, I've yet to see one appear in front of my car in real life! :)

I am not surprised that the vote is 16-2 for "exploits" being punished. Take note GT Academy, you can't run a competition without rules or governing of the rules. Please do what is right. If this problem isn't dealt with, the drivers representing Nissan and GT5 in the finals might be far from capable.

My feeling at this point is that PD should pretty much do a full "reset" of Round 2, and start it over from scratch, allowing the same amount of time that it was originally supposed to have, and making damn sure that ALL the "cheats" are addressed and dealt with. They don't have to ban or DQ anyone, technically, because they're in effect saying that the entire round never happened.

While that would suck for the clean racers out there (I'm not in this round, so I say this as someone without a dog in this fight), I think they'd rather have a chance to let their talents speak for them in a CLEAN event, instead of being pitted against a field full of cheaters and scammers.

Good luck to all in GT Academy, and let's hope PD get this fixed, and quick!
 
I am voting 'other'. The 'dirty' lap should be DQd and their fastest clean lap should be used. I think it would be unfair for the person who broke too late and tinked a wall accidentally to be DQd. The cheaters should save their best clean laps and make every effort to put in a clean one faster than their dirty one.

In the short term they need to turn on heavy damage so that anyone who hits a wall will have a broken car. 4 wheels off should be an immediately invalid lap.

Moving forward the wall bouncing needs to be consistent. I know I have hit walls, maybe even gained time and should have gotten a penalty and other times have barely scraped a wall and my time went red. Seems like they could program this fairly easily before they post a track for competition. None of this will be important for round 4 but they need to fix it for round 3.
 
I am voting 'other'. The 'dirty' lap should be DQd and their fastest clean lap should be used. I think it would be unfair for the person who broke too late and tinked a wall accidentally to be DQd. The cheaters should save their best clean laps and make every effort to put in a clean one faster than their dirty one.


👍 This ^^.

Very good idea!
 
This is silly, i missed classes/day of work for this ******** lol. AH well.. At least they will have an update released in time. I guess all 512 of us don't get a prize? lol
 
I am voting 'other'. The 'dirty' lap should be DQd and their fastest clean lap should be used. I think it would be unfair for the person who broke too late and tinked a wall accidentally to be DQd. The cheaters should save their best clean laps and make every effort to put in a clean one faster than their dirty one.

This is a good idea, but... The problem I see with this, is the fact that only the fastest laps get uploaded to the server. Once a new fast lap is recorded, the other is gone. How would this "clean" lap then be found? It can't be from a person sending in a video/'copy of file, or a whole new rash of exploitation could occur.

I will add it as you have someone who seconded it. Although I don't know if we are going to get that much more participation seeing that the ruling has already been made.

On that note, thank you all for your time in voting. I think the GT Academy organizers are truly trying to get this right now. Hopefully everything falls into place in round 3. Good luck to everyone!

EDIT: It appears I do not know how to edit the poll anymore. Before there was any voting I did not have a problem adding and removing options. If someone knows how, or a mod could edit and add the last option, I would appreciate it.
 
This is a good idea, but... The problem I see with this, is the fact that only the fastest laps get uploaded to the server. Once a new fast lap is recorded, the other is gone. How would this "clean" lap then be found? It can't be from a person sending in a video/'copy of file, or a whole new rash of exploitation could occur.


Oooh - I didn't realize that's how it worked! Good point!
 
I say all you Mf'g cheaters get DSQ right now! You had the choice not to save your time a$$o'lz...I voted take 64 and get rid of the violators because I have a feeling that at least one region will not be able to fill that and the numbers should move down.
 
How about something in your poll for your brothers in arms who got swept up and thrown overboard who were in the top 512 in the nation and because of the politicaly correct BS that allowed those who were above the 512 cut off to make it through to round 2/3. I still wish everyone the best of luck. Go get um GTPerzzz
 
How about something in your poll for your brothers in arms who got swept up and thrown overboard who were in the top 512 in the nation and because of the politicaly correct BS that allowed those who were above the 512 cut off to make it through to round 2/3. I still wish everyone the best of luck. Go get um GTPerzzz

Honestly, if you couldn't make it into round 2 what makes you think you can make it into the top 8? I know the chance would of been great but them the breaks. There were plenty of resources available to help you make it into the top 128. I don't want to come off mean but just deal with the fact you didn't make it. You were defeated just like 55,000 other people who tried to make it. I know it sucks to lose but getting into the top 128 in your region in a 5 week period should be achievable lawnmowing or not.
 
Honestly, if you couldn't make it into round 2 what makes you think you can make it into the top 8? I know the chance would of been great but them the breaks. There were plenty of resources available to help you make it into the top 128. I don't want to come off mean but just deal with the fact you didn't make it. You were defeated just like 55,000 other people who tried to make it. I know it sucks to lose but getting into the top 128 in your region in a 5 week period should be achievable lawnmowing or not.

Your right bro I don't have any right raining on anyones parade and I'm not trying to make that point. I just thought the difference between the top 128 groups would be closer, but how would you feel if you were #395 and got cut off because of whare you lived.

I'm just going through round 1 withdrawls and getting ready to start roostying my new 100cc HPV powerd Racing Kart at the track. Hopefuly the things I picked up from chaseing your ghoast can make me faster. Best of luck to you Choate, Fix, and the Cheef

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I think that everyone who used an exploit in round 1 should be disqualified as well. Maybe a wall of shame too, for all the GTP members who participated in "mowing".:dunce:
 
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I think that everyone who used an exploit in round 1 should be disqualified as well.

Why is that? I was qualified well into the top 128 with my clean 2.46.7 and got as low as 2.45.9 clean and decided I wanted a playseat and then used the exploit and went for the 2.45.0. Even if you were off by .5 seconds at the Cape you could probably of made that time up at Tsukuba or Rome. So I don't buy it.
 
Why is that? I was qualified well into the top 128 with my clean 2.46.7 and got as low as 2.45.9 clean and decided I wanted a playseat and then used the exploit and went for the 2.45.0. Even if you were off by .5 seconds at the Cape you could probably of made that time up at Tsukuba or Rome. So I don't buy it.

The only reason I made round 2 is because I cheated, couldn't have gotten here without it.
 
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