But, what would you rather drive on after the race is over, the mulsanne straight with a speed limit, or the Nordschleife. It's only 30$ a lap... You are already in the area, of course.The 24 hours of Le Mans is the obvious choice from a factual standpoint:
Looking at the grandstands and amenities at Le Mans, I would say that it's an excellent venue for them as well.
- It's the oldest active sports car race for endurance racing.
- It's one of the triple crown of motorsport races (Monaco GP and the Indianapolis 500 being the other two)
- It is one of the triple crown of endurance races (Daytona and Sebring being the others)
- It consists of a field of LMP1 (the only race out of the 4 to run these cars), LMP2, and LM GTE Pro/Am cars.
- The race over the years has inspired imitating races all over the globe, popularizing the 24-hour format at venues such as Daytona, Spa, Bathrust, and Nürburgring.
- Several innovations from the 24 hours of Le Mans cars have trickled down to customer vehicles.
The 24 hours of Le Mans is the obvious choice from a factual standpoint:
Looking at the grandstands and amenities at Le Mans, I would say that it's an excellent venue for them as well.
- It's the oldest active sports car race for endurance racing.
- It's one of the triple crown of motorsport races (Monaco GP and the Indianapolis 500 being the other two)
- It is one of the triple crown of endurance races (Daytona and Sebring being the others)
- It consists of a field of LMP1 (the only race out of the 4 to run these cars), LMP2, and LM GTE Pro/Am cars.
- The race over the years has inspired imitating races all over the globe, popularizing the 24-hour format at venues such as Daytona, Spa, Bathrust, and Nürburgring.
- Several innovations from the 24 hours of Le Mans cars have trickled down to customer vehicles.
Here's a list of inaugural 24 hour race ordered by year.Imitating? Daytona didn't even start out as a 24 Hour Race, it was only a three hour event devised by Bill France Sr to draw in Sportscars from Europe before it then became a 1000 KM race and then a 24 Hour Race.
Also, I hardly call Nurburgring and Spa "Imitating" considering they have legendary status in there own rights. Maybe the others at places like Silverstone, Dubai and Barcelona (which I only just found out about this year) and maybe Bathurst, but the bolded venues are far from "Imitating'.
Looking at the grandstands and amenities at Le Mans, I would say that it's an excellent venue for them as well.
Great write up, I agreed with almost everything you said. N24 for the win. I would rather win as a driver at the N24 than LM too. The nurburgring is such a difficult and great race track. You might remember me saying that nurburgring isnt the greatest race track in the world last month, and I still agree with what I said. It isn't the greatest race track, but it is the greatest track. Conquering N would be much more impacting than LM.I'd disagree, it's a venue designed for 100,000 people that has to handle a quarter of a million, in an area whose infrastructure is only designed to support local industry.
To answer the OP, having gone to 3 of the 4 races on the list this year (Nürburgring, Le Mans, Spa), I'd have to say Le Mans is the one I'd recommend last. I've got nothing against LMP's or the format, or the regs, they're all good, and if those are the cars you want to see, obviously it's LM24 you have to go to - and at full tilt they are very impressive. However as an event, as an experience, Le Mans left me pretty cold - on the flipside, I did actually cry emotional tears of joy at the 'ring - got me right in the feels. The variety of cars, and all the class battles at the 'ring help too IMO, you do get the sense that everyone is still racing for something.
I think one of the main key factors, is the physical size of circuit. The 'ring is obviously pretty large, and most of it is accessible for viewing and camping, the entirity of the F1 circuit is used versus basically the pit straight of the Bugatti circuit at Le Mans, and much of the Le Mans circuit is off limits because of safety. The free bus service around the ring is great (although I couldn't make sense of the routes because I don't speak German), it really helps you take in a lot of the circuit. It really does feel like you don't get to see much at Le Mans, even if you confined yourself to the F1 circuit at the ring you'd still get to see more action than at Le Mans ---- but then why would you do that? The Nordschleife is utterly staggering, the proximity to the track, the atmosphere, the sights and smells, the scenery, it is incredible, it really is. Walking down through Hatzenbach at night was unlike anything I've experienced at a circuit before or since, standing at the Porsche curves at night wasn't even remotely close.
That's not to say Le Mans is devoid of atmosphere, it isn't, there are a massive number of people there, there's plenty to see at least, although it does feel a bit like if you're not a VIP you may as well not be there. I'm not one for getting misty eyed over the history of Le Mans, but I'm sure if that was you're thing it might have a certain feel about it that perhaps the 'ring doesn't. I wouldn't have said I was overwhelmed by a sense of history at any of the tracks.
Both offer lots of places to eat and drink, though queues were inevitably longer at Le Mans because of the density of the crowd. There were more stalls for buying racing memorabilia and the like at Le Mans.
Paddock access is, as you'd expect, much easier at the N24, which is always a big plus point for me, but to be fair, they can't be as open at LM24 because there are just too many people. But it was good to be able to talk to the drivers and teams at the 'ring.
Support race wise, the historics were great at the 'Ring, so glad to have seen an M1 and E30 M3's racing there, and the WTCC was a bonus too. The Aston Martin race at Le Mans was interesting.
Le Mans is on the edge of an industrial estate, which this years was undergoing some fairly major roadworks so getting to the campsite took hours despite being within a couple of miles, I didn't have the same problems at the 'ring, perhaps because I got there on Wednesday, rather than Thursday, but mostly I suspect because the camping is spread out around the entire circuit. Le Mans is a bit more centralised, and the campsite I was on felt more like Mad Max staged in a refugee camp... it's just as crazy at the ring, but it seemed to be much better spirited at the 'ring... like Oktoberfest in a field. Others here can tell you more about Beausjour campsite at Le Mans, those that were nearly maimed by idiots doughnutting in the campsite.
Nürburg as a town is nice enough, Adenaur is useful and on the free bus route, and still next to the circuit. Arnage was nice enough at Le Mans but nothing special, quite a long walk though, and I wasn't going to bother trying to get the car out of the campsite.
And then there's Spa... on paper Spa is the best compromise. It's a beautiful circuit, as is the ring (Le Mans just isn't), but it's much smaller. You can walk around in a couple of hours, with some great views, and it's all paved, so it does make it much easier, especially if you want to take a bicycle. Paddock access is great, there was entertainment in the evening by way of a DJ and the town itself is quite nice too. Crucially though, I think what made the difference was the size of the crowd. Spa wasn't stuffed to the brim with spectators like Le Mans was, the car parking situation wasn't great, and thanks to the rain getting out of some of the car parks wasn't so easy in a RWD car but it jut felt a lot more relaxed than either of the other two venues. The on track action is good too, with solid support races. I can't really fault Spa in general, but, having said that, it just didn't feel as special as the other two.
I did attend another 24 hour race this year, which was the Britcar Dunlop 24 at Silverstone, this shouldn't be overlooked, granted it's nothing like the level of those mentioned above, but especially for those in the UK, it's a great way to get a taster of the 24hr experience, and it's easily accessible.
A little more discussion about it in one of my threads... https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/races-that-youve-been-to.248087/page-6
Maybe I'll add Daytona to my list next year
tl;dr
The Nürburgring 24, it's a massive race at an epic venue. Then Spa, because it's pretty much as good as the N24, just scaled down and less crazy, then Le Mans which is worth doing if "because Le Mans" is a reason for you.
4) Spa - I want to like this race more, but without having multiple classes it just doesn't have the same appeal as the other ones. If they were to throw some GT4 equipment on the grid it would probably go up to #2.
I think the problem at spa is the pitlane and garages, I doubt there is the space to add GT4, so it would end up detracting from the GT3 grid, or at least detracting a lot from the support race structure, some of whom are already buried a long way out of the pits. Plus, there'd always be questions about the safety aspect of having a Manufacturer GT3 blasting past a GT4 through Eau Rouge... people might object!
I don't think it would as some of the teams in the old pits were using 2 garages with single cars.
I stand corrected. I'm not a euro so I'll take your statement as fact.I'd disagree, it's a venue designed for 100,000 people that has to handle a quarter of a million, in an area whose infrastructure is only designed to support local industry.
To answer the OP, having gone to 3 of the 4 races on the list this year (Nürburgring, Le Mans, Spa), I'd have to say Le Mans is the one I'd recommend last. I've got nothing against LMP's or the format, or the regs, they're all good, and if those are the cars you want to see, obviously it's LM24 you have to go to - and at full tilt they are very impressive. However as an event, as an experience, Le Mans left me pretty cold - on the flipside, I did actually cry emotional tears of joy at the 'ring - got me right in the feels. The variety of cars, and all the class battles at the 'ring help too IMO, you do get the sense that everyone is still racing for something.
I think one of the main key factors, is the physical size of circuit. The 'ring is obviously pretty large, and most of it is accessible for viewing and camping, the entirity of the F1 circuit is used versus basically the pit straight of the Bugatti circuit at Le Mans, and much of the Le Mans circuit is off limits because of safety. The free bus service around the ring is great (although I couldn't make sense of the routes because I don't speak German), it really helps you take in a lot of the circuit. It really does feel like you don't get to see much at Le Mans, even if you confined yourself to the F1 circuit at the ring you'd still get to see more action than at Le Mans ---- but then why would you do that? The Nordschleife is utterly staggering, the proximity to the track, the atmosphere, the sights and smells, the scenery, it is incredible, it really is. Walking down through Hatzenbach at night was unlike anything I've experienced at a circuit before or since, standing at the Porsche curves at night wasn't even remotely close.
That's not to say Le Mans is devoid of atmosphere, it isn't, there are a massive number of people there, there's plenty to see at least, although it does feel a bit like if you're not a VIP you may as well not be there. I'm not one for getting misty eyed over the history of Le Mans, but I'm sure if that was you're thing it might have a certain feel about it that perhaps the 'ring doesn't. I wouldn't have said I was overwhelmed by a sense of history at any of the tracks.
Both offer lots of places to eat and drink, though queues were inevitably longer at Le Mans because of the density of the crowd. There were more stalls for buying racing memorabilia and the like at Le Mans.
Paddock access is, as you'd expect, much easier at the N24, which is always a big plus point for me, but to be fair, they can't be as open at LM24 because there are just too many people. But it was good to be able to talk to the drivers and teams at the 'ring.
Support race wise, the historics were great at the 'Ring, so glad to have seen an M1 and E30 M3's racing there, and the WTCC was a bonus too. The Aston Martin race at Le Mans was interesting.
Le Mans is on the edge of an industrial estate, which this years was undergoing some fairly major roadworks so getting to the campsite took hours despite being within a couple of miles, I didn't have the same problems at the 'ring, perhaps because I got there on Wednesday, rather than Thursday, but mostly I suspect because the camping is spread out around the entire circuit. Le Mans is a bit more centralised, and the campsite I was on felt more like Mad Max staged in a refugee camp... it's just as crazy at the ring, but it seemed to be much better spirited at the 'ring... like Oktoberfest in a field. Others here can tell you more about Beausjour campsite at Le Mans, those that were nearly maimed by idiots doughnutting in the campsite.
Nürburg as a town is nice enough, Adenaur is useful and on the free bus route, and still next to the circuit. Arnage was nice enough at Le Mans but nothing special, quite a long walk though, and I wasn't going to bother trying to get the car out of the campsite.
And then there's Spa... on paper Spa is the best compromise. It's a beautiful circuit, as is the ring (Le Mans just isn't), but it's much smaller. You can walk around in a couple of hours, with some great views, and it's all paved, so it does make it much easier, especially if you want to take a bicycle. Paddock access is great, there was entertainment in the evening by way of a DJ and the town itself is quite nice too. Crucially though, I think what made the difference was the size of the crowd. Spa wasn't stuffed to the brim with spectators like Le Mans was, the car parking situation wasn't great, and thanks to the rain getting out of some of the car parks wasn't so easy in a RWD car but it jut felt a lot more relaxed than either of the other two venues. The on track action is good too, with solid support races. I can't really fault Spa in general, but, having said that, it just didn't feel as special as the other two.
I did attend another 24 hour race this year, which was the Britcar Dunlop 24 at Silverstone, this shouldn't be overlooked, granted it's nothing like the level of those mentioned above, but especially for those in the UK, it's a great way to get a taster of the 24hr experience, and it's easily accessible.
A little more discussion about it in one of my threads... https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/races-that-youve-been-to.248087/page-6
Maybe I'll add Daytona to my list next year
tl;dr
The Nürburgring 24, it's a massive race at an epic venue. Then Spa, because it's pretty much as good as the N24, just scaled down and less crazy, then Le Mans which is worth doing if "because Le Mans" is a reason for you.
I stand corrected. I'm not a euro so I'll take your statement as fact.
The new stands and amenities should be really nice.While Le Mans is Le Mans and its the holy grail of Endurance racinf, as a spectator I would say Daytona, why:
- Easiest for me to attend
- Well lit
- Less language barrier
- More spectator seating to view the whole track
Are you referring to my video? I think that was VLN.As far as I'm aware, N24 is the only race that features a moon over the castle
Are you referring to my video? I think that was VLN.