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Who else feel the same?
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I think like everyone deserves there 15 minutes of fame everyone should be allowed at least ONE whine or praise thread as long as it's well written and not just. "this is garbage / this is the cats pyjamas"
Some of the whining threads are SO long.. especially THE whining thread that nobody will ever read 95% of the very informative posts in there.
Click bait titles are very annoying though. If you don't want a thread to flourish don't comment in it because the more people who do even to say they don't like the thread then the more views it gets simply by reply count. No publicity is bad publicity etc etc.
Some of the whining threads are SO long.. especially THE whining thread that nobody will ever read 95% of the very informative posts in there.
Click bait titles are very annoying though. If you don't want a thread to flourish don't comment in it because the more people who do even to say they don't like the thread then the more views it gets simply by reply count. No publicity is bad publicity etc etc.
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I'm in 100% agreement with you! I haven't played a GT since GT5 prologue. Before that I had all of them. Just got sucked into Forzas online racing. Now I've grown tired of Forza, and decided to try GT again.
Pre ordered the deluxe edition and couldn't be happier. It seriously brought back all my old passion I had for GT, the look, music, and the car sounds....WOW!
Really enjoying the motion controls, it really feels way better than the sticks. Surprisingly online play is lag free, and mostly clean racers.
I know it's got a small car list, and track list. The career is smaller, and it's not the typical GT. However if this is what it takes to make GT a better game I'm happy. Personally enjoy just doing time trials, and watching the replay for good photo ops. Knowing they plan on free DLC in the future is cool as well. I'm a happy customer, in love all over again
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I'd say the other 50 people that made threads complaining about not having the same game from 20 years ago :-)
I love this game, finally some real racing.
I love this game, finally some real racing.
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Fair enough. Let me rephrase.
-It has the best driving physics of any GT and is at least the best offering on consoles (besides Asseto Corsa which I haven't played).
-I do spirited canyon driving, and based on my knowledge of each of these cars, they seemed to handle fairly accurately. But I guess I'll take your word for it since you've driven these cars in real life. I certainly think the power curve and engine characteristics of each car is accurate, tho.
-I still think this is the best racing GT game. I actually made that statement based on custom Arcade races and not the online races.
-I understand that this an e-sport iteration of Gran Turismo, which is why I'm not tripping out about the fact it doesn't include a career mode. I just think that a career mode would have added to the overall experience of the game, given how great the gameplay and AI are. And yes you're right, the addition of variable weather and time of day is needed in order for the game to be truly perfect.
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That I wouldn't disagree with.
That I would disagree with, massively.
I've not played any Forza this gen, but most agree its either on-par or a bit ahead of it.
Now as far as the rest go, PC2 and AC have it beat as far as physics go on track, when it comes to loose surface every other loose surface title has it beat (even the poor offering of WRC5 is better than GTS's loose surface as they at least attempted to simulate a tyre biting through the top layer and into the surface below.
GTS may well be fun, its certainly the best the physics have been, but its a long way behind the physics engines of almost everything else on console (and I mean a good five years behind).
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Again you are wrong.Pcars 2 have better physics.And Asseto Corsa is in another class.But then again Assetto Corsa is propably the best title in terms of physics (some can argue about iRacing and Automobilista and perhars they are right.)
So pretty much you make a point about "physics" but you have not played the best title there is in the market.Have you tested Pcars 2 at least?
If you have not how can you even claim that GTS has the best physics engine in concoles?
I never said I've driven all these cars.You on the other hand did write:
"The feeling of each car is spot-on. Each car feels and drives like their real-life counterpart."Either you have experience with all these cars and can prove that or your point is invalid.
I can understand that this is your opinion,imo GTS as a game is better that older GT titles (in many ways) but not because of the reasons on your first post.
Ai is not great,its improved.With that said the game miss a lot of elements to get a 9/10 or 10/10 score.I wrote some of them.The career mode missing,made a lot of people mad.But its not something that is needed in order to make the 10/10 game.
More important things are the car list,track list,dynamic weather/time -examples-.
After all its an "esport" kind of title.
Like I said,the game is really fun and addictive.Its not a the best in the market.Its not a pure sim.But it can give a lot of hours of fun racing for everyone:"casual" or "hardcore".And thats more important in the end.
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The OT of course. Otherwise I would've quoted the post.
I generally dislike when people make arguments with the term "we", as if they knew what everyone else felt on the matter.
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The OT doesn't do anything of the sort.
It's quite clearly a personal opinion, starts with 'I' and end by asking others what others think!
Even the thread title asks who else thinks the same as the OT, again indicating it's a personal view.
The only time the OT uses 'we' is in regard to past GT titles, and that's as a positive.
It's about as far from a 'we' or an attempt to talk on behalf of others as it's possible to get.
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I don't agree with you at all. If it's supposed to be as far away from that as possible then he wouldn't have made use of the sentences: "Lost all those things that we loved..." and "The gt is not the gt that we loved..."
They insinuate that there is a consensus on what made the previous games great, which is simply not true. However, he switches back and forth between being subjective and generalising, so I don't know what his actual approach is really. In any case, the OT would've been perfectly fine if he just didn't use those two sentences.
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Cherry pick much?
How does the post open?
How does the post end?
What is the thread title?
You pick one sentence out of the entire post in a rather blatant attempt to dismiss it based on your own issue that someone may not be happy with GTS and is looking to discuss it.
What you are doing is not only full of logical fallacies, but also very missleading.
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Your last sentence sums up how I felt about the original post. And your way of constantly twisting and diminishing what I say is also very misleading. You write "one sentence" when I clearly quoted two sentences, and you also say that the post is as far away from talking on behalf of others as it could possible be despite the fact that I present to you two sentences that clearly does just that.
But let's just agree to disagree. This is going nowhere.
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I did make this statement some time ago:
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if you're looking for the classic GT experience, the best modern game for that (outside of continuing on with GT6) is FM7. It has an utterly staggering car roster, a pretty decent track list (better than anything without "Project" in its title) and while the physics aren't the last word on realism, cars do feel as you'd expect. Actually, in terms of physics, I'd say FM7 and GT Sport are far more close to one another than Sport is to Assetto Corsa.
If I had to guess, the pivot to Sport's basic foundation was as much borne of necessity as desire. There was no way PD could match the car-encyclopedia nature of the FM franchise, nor has PCARS' motorsport authenticity ever really been a primary focus for GT. Pushing a game as the first major from-the-ground-up esport platform — not running esports around existing disciplines, a la PCARS2 — allows GT to carve its own sector out of a very crowded genre. All three do different things well, and I'm glad I can enjoy all of them. I just wish there was more time...
If I had to guess, the pivot to Sport's basic foundation was as much borne of necessity as desire. There was no way PD could match the car-encyclopedia nature of the FM franchise, nor has PCARS' motorsport authenticity ever really been a primary focus for GT. Pushing a game as the first major from-the-ground-up esport platform — not running esports around existing disciplines, a la PCARS2 — allows GT to carve its own sector out of a very crowded genre. All three do different things well, and I'm glad I can enjoy all of them. I just wish there was more time...
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Better than the old career imo. This is a more polished online experience and has trimmed the fat of thousands of cars but using only 10. Yes I miss the old tunes etc, but the game is better for it.
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As far as single player goes, absolutely.
GT is not the single player we once knew but i'm sure most people already knew that going into it.
The online part is FAR better though... GT online in previous games has always been super trash and mostly just lobbies were people sit around for 3 hours drag racing, only to get one race and someone wins in a red bull X or whatever (usually me because Id be annoyed by all the ****** drag "racers")
Now though there is somewhat of a purpose to the online racing....there's trophies to aim for, ratings to increase and rotated events each week.
The only thing that annoys me is that the tournament thing doesn't start until another two weeks or so... Like the idea of tournaments is always good, but that needs to start sooner and be more frequent.
If it's a once a month thing I'll be pissed.
Honestly the only thing I'd like to see them add at this point is the second hand car dealer, just to appease some of car collectors out there.
But short of adding more tracks (trial mountain, deep forest?) and more cars (unbranded F1 cars? Mazda787B?) I don't really see what else they can add to make the online better.
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Gran Turismo, PD and Kaz has left us - the casuals - behind. Make no mistake this is not simply an evolution or catch up. This is a clean slate. It's their game and their decision to make of course but it was the casuals who made it the success it is. They've chosen the esport/professional racer route. How that works for them time will tell. They've sold almost 80 million copies of the series, most of that came from the casuals. Have they dropped the casuals hoping to replace that money by milking the esport crowd for every penny they've got a la iRacing? Or do they think they casuals will come around and join their new venture? The magic of GT was that it was a world that allowed both casuals and the more serious racers in. All other racing games have always been niche. Even the much lauded Forza has never come close the GT in sales. PD could've continued in that manner but make the major improvements we've been calling for and had a fantastic game to satisfy both side but they chose to abandon the casuals and embrace the esport crowd.
I personally spend very little time online. Simply because I'm not good enough. Between Driveclub and GT I've won less than 10 races online out of probably 100 - 200. I'm just not good enough. Not only on GT but across all the games I play. I have neither the time nor the desire to become good enough either. Nothing in my life gets that level of dedication. Playing GTS means I'll always be outclassed, something I don't find enjoyable at all no matter how wonderful the physics and gameplay are. That is why I enjoy single player, I can be a winner in my own private world.
It's been really difficult but I've let go of a future with GT. I still have the past. I fired up GT6 and realized why I don't want to be online all the time. I still enjoy playing alone. Sure the game needs improvement but I can challenge myself by using a weaker car or turning down the power slider. Online though, is not where I want to be spending most of my time.
Kaz has decided this is the future. To be honest he's had his head up his own a*ss since at least post GT4. He's pushing the racing angle hard because it's probably what he's always wanted. All the cash from the millions of casuals gave him the time, power in Sony and influence in the motorsport world to make the game as close to real life racing as possible. It's not simply the physics but the entire racing process hence the tight integration with the FIA. There's no going back now for PD or us casuals.
I really hope Sony gives us a new franchise to replace the traditional Gran Turismo.
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Welcome, and can I thank you for expressing what I have been saying for a long time about my concerns in regard to the direction GTS has taken.
I'm a sim racing idiot, its what I play the most by a long shot. However I also realise that I am not the majority when it comes to titles such as GT, quite the opposite.
GT has always offered an accessible level of physics (too basic for my tastes - which again illustrates your point) and a lot of 'wins' in GT mode for the casual audience who make up the large majority of the GT purchase base.
Thanks Scaff. Ironic that I've been lurking for so long and when I finally post it's the end of GT for me. LOL
That is exactly the problem with GTS. I feel like the game was not created for me. Previous GT's never felt like that. You had your experts on here having in-depth discussions on shaving a half a second off the last corner at the Ring. I couldn't be bothered with that. But I knew I still had a place in the game even though I was so many rungs down the ladder. I don't get the same feeling with GTS and certainly it feels like I'm being pushed aside by PD and Kaz in favor of the serious guys. Not only from the lack of content and always online but the vibe Kaz has been pushing for the last few years really. Kaz and PD just seemed to be getting more and more involved in real motorsport seemingly trying to merge the game with the real thing. Looking in hindsight it's actually been coming a long time. I just never saw it.
For me this is the most fun GT. GT5 P was my first, I liked it but it lacked content. GT5 was fun and had lots of content, but I didn't enjoy the sounds or easy AI or the online. So I stopped playing. GT Sport is the only the GT I will play whenever I have time. I love the personalization and E Sport focus. The cars feel different from each other and the driving is very fun(granted wheel helps). The reward system and rating system is very nice too.
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A responsive thread nonetheless, whatever the fans may say.
I think think that in gts the car behaviour is off. The very first licence is a simple two seater cabriolet using sports hard tyres. Mind you, those are the sticky tyres made famous by the m3 csl. A small, low power street car using sticky tyres, but you can’t drive it without tcs and live. That is an epic fail in my book. Now, I’m thinking the physics engine won’t get altered with gt7. So... this is it. They lost it
Even if I’m wrong and it uses cs tyres instead. Those are the best street tyres you can get. Tcs should not be necessary
I think think that in gts the car behaviour is off. The very first licence is a simple two seater cabriolet using sports hard tyres. Mind you, those are the sticky tyres made famous by the m3 csl. A small, low power street car using sticky tyres, but you can’t drive it without tcs and live. That is an epic fail in my book. Now, I’m thinking the physics engine won’t get altered with gt7. So... this is it. They lost it
Even if I’m wrong and it uses cs tyres instead. Those are the best street tyres you can get. Tcs should not be necessary
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- No manual calibration of pedals, that should not happen in 2017
- Not enough grip, too easy to spin wheels
- Insta melting of tyres a lot like iRacing
- Not enough tracks
- People still bump passing and SR going up, penalties need improving
- No dynamic features, track and environment feel sterile and not realistic for endurance events.
- Dirt, I really wish they left it out, it is really bad
- Ovals. I love oval racing but with these cars it is terrible.
- Almost everything else, best GT ever IMO.
- The driving. Even with flawed tyres/grip the driving is still great but would be so much better with improvements to grip.
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