Who's racing on wheel in cockpit view?

[Florian Kolle]

I'm using cockpit cam, cause it gives me the most realistic experience. I'm still on controller, but I'm thinking about getting a wheel. Unfortunately GT doesn't have a dash cam, like Forza or AC, where you see the cockpit without the wheel. So I was wondering if it's worth it to get a wheel, if you're using cockpi view. I mean, is it distracting to see the second wheel behind your real wheel, or can you mount it in an angle, so that it covers the wheel behind it? Or does it kinda blend in, so that you don't notice it while driving?
The bumper cam isn't really an alternative as it's too low and the bonnet cam is actually a roof cam and is too high. And the chase cam might give you an advantage, but isn't as immersive.

 

[Lomic]

Easy solution : get a psvr2 😁

 

[ZevZoq]

I use a wheel and bumper cam. I'd prefer to use cockpit cam, but I can't get my TV closer than about a meter away from the wheel base for one thing, and the other issue is of course that GT doesn't offer enough in the way of FOV and position settings and you can't turn off the wheel animation which I do find distracting - particularly the driver's arms shifting gears. However, given the position of my TV, bumper cam actually works very well. It's really not lower than the eyepoint of cockpit cam...it's just pushed forward closer to the bumper. Once you're used to it it's a very comfortable view to drive from and it also has the best hud/situational awareness. I also feel like it offers the best performance in the game. I sometimes use cockpit cam just to enjoy the visual splendor of all the shadows and car details but I always find when I switch back to the bumper cam view everything seems to flow more smoothly. I sometimes even think the wheel force feedback feels better in bumper cam.

 

[Kipczirczir07]

I race only in cockpit view as I do in other games. I am an AS driver. Bumper or chase cam fells a bit arcadeish to me. When you look at top driver in other sims, everyone is usuning cockpit cam and in some cases it it the only view available. When you look at the big titles like iRacing, ACC, LMU, AM2 or Raceroom, Gran Turismo is the only game that have vast majority players using other views than cockpit

 

[Lomic]

Gran Turismo is the only game that have vast majority players using other views than cockpit

Because of the list you cited, GT is the only one that is not a SIM, and is aimed at a broader audience (who enjoy chase cam for example). Only the GT players that care about being as efficient as possible will use other cams or those who care about realism that will use cockpit exclusively, I bet they are a tiny minority.

 

[ZevZoq]

I race only in cockpit view as I do in other games. I am an AS driver. Bumper or chase cam fells a bit arcadeish to me. When you look at top driver in other sims, everyone is usuning cockpit cam and in some cases it it the only view available. When you look at the big titles like iRacing, ACC, LMU, AM2 or Raceroom, Gran Turismo is the only game that have vast majority players using other views than cockpit

True, but all the "serious" sims have lots of detailed settings for adjusting the in car views and offer options for things like turning off the wheel animations or setting up the huds. In GT7 even with my less-than-perfect setup in terms of where my TV sits, there are some cars that are just fantastic from the cockpit cam. For instance, the F3500 is incredible to drive using the cockpit cam. That's true of a number of the open-wheel cars. The Radical is great too. I love the Mclaren F1 cockpit cam too...although interestingly it also feels great to drive using the bumper cam I think because of the center seating position (funnily enough I was watching a vid on youtube last night of a fellow test-driving an F1 and he actually stated at one point that the view out the front window was like a big screen TV with a videogame). But a lot of the cars really need to have more adjustability for me to use the in car views...it's just too restricted and the wheel animation is distracting for me.

 

[BigJimmy]

Driving for fun.. yes cockpit view.
League Racing.. Bumper cam as I'm a few tenths faster.

Edit to add.... The wheel animation is a bit crap but you don't notice it much when you are focused on driving. GET A WHEEL.

 

[Alfa Romeo GT]

Gt7 is the only game where I ride in roof view to get a good view.
Apart from a few vehicles where visibility is good. (clio v6)


I don't understand the choice of having so few camera settings.
In cockpit view, when the maximum view is raised, it's clearly not enough.

 

[Cat Power]

I only use Cockpit view purely because it is the most realistic in feel but I do admit I can be faster on Bumper (I'm only on a controller by the way and automatic gears but all other assists off...but as I'm 78 perhaps I can be forgiven ! )

 

[b_u_r_z_a]

I once met a very attractive girl. We had a good conversation and a good time. The evening came when I invited her to my house. When she saw the PlayStation with a plastic steering wheel attached to it, she laughed at me and left.

 

[Gerarghini]

I have PSVR2.

I don't have a choice

 

[Niko-H]

I use cockpit view when racing, although I sometimes use the roof cam when doing something like an online TT, circuit experience, etc., when I need more pace.

I agree with all comments on the lack of adjustability. I'm not bothered by the slight perception differences, the visible steering wheel, etc. - but some cars are really annoying in cockpit view. The XJ220 and some of the Gr.1 cars come to mind.

I only use Cockpit view purely because it is the most realistic in feel but I do admit I can be faster on Bumper (I'm only on a controller by the way and automatic gears but all other assists off...but as I'm 78 perhaps I can be forgiven ! )

Not only are you forgiven...I hope I'm half as cool as you when I get to that age!

 

[JDMKING13]

I have PSVR2, but I only use cockpit view when driving on flat screen. I am an A+ driver and in my opinion you get more out the game when using it which makes it fun and challenging. Every car has a different view vs the other camera views pretty much all the same.

 

[Spongeinside]

The thing is GT never really had good options to set your fov or other (cockpit) camera settings. The settings that are available are extremely limited, making cockpit view a very suboptimal experience imho. I mainly use hood(/bonnet)/roof cam as it gives me personally the best experience. Bumper and chase cam feel too arcady to me. Although a few cars have a decent cockpit view, like the formula cars and X2014jr. There’s a select few closed cockpit cars that -by luck mostly- do somehow have a decent cockpit view imho.

The ‘virtual’ wheel doesn’t distract me much, the hand movements do sometimes though, especially the slow shifting animation/movements.. I don’t remember the exact details, but I watched back a replay of a lap I did on the Nordschleife, about a 8 or 9 minute lap and both hands were on the wheel for like 20 seconds of the entire lap… even on longer straights or when there was no shifting, the hand that does the shifting animation doesn’t return to the wheel… an option to turn off the hands would be greatly appreciated..

 

[OldandSlow]

I’ll use the cockpit view on open-wheelers and most classic cars.

 

[Cat Power]

I use cockpit view when racing, although I sometimes use the roof cam when doing something like an online TT, circuit experience, etc., when I need more pace.

I agree with all comments on the lack of adjustability. I'm not bothered by the slight perception differences, the visible steering wheel, etc. - but some cars are really annoying in cockpit view. The XJ220 and some of the Gr.1 cars come to mind.

Not only are you forgiven...I hope I'm half as cool as you when I get to that age!

Many thanks....that's cheered me up !

 

[Fezzik]

I use chase cam. I use a controller. I don't care about "realism" because I'm playing a game.

 

[Florian Kolle]

Driving for fun.. yes cockpit view.
League Racing.. Bumper cam as I'm a few tenths faster.

Edit to add.... The wheel animation is a bit crap but you don't notice it much when you are focused on driving. GET A WHEEL.

I always used to drive in bumper cam on the older GTs, as the cockpit view was too crappy back then. But since I'm using the cockpit view in GT7, the bumper cam feels pretty low. But yeah, I will get a wheel and hope the virtual wheel won't bother me.

 

[Florian Kolle]

I once met a very attractive girl. We had a good conversation and a good time. The evening came when I invited her to my house. When she saw the PlayStation with a plastic steering wheel attached to it, she laughed at me and left.

Maybe she was laughing because you used a plastic wheel and not a Fanatec

 

[PirovacBoy]

I'm using cockpit cam, cause it gives me the most realistic experience. I'm still on controller, but I'm thinking about getting a wheel. Unfortunately GT doesn't have a dash cam, like Forza or AC, where you see the cockpit without the wheel. So I was wondering if it's worth it to get a wheel, if you're using cockpi view. I mean, is it distracting to see the second wheel behind your real wheel, or can you mount it in an angle, so that it covers the wheel behind it? Or does it kinda blend in, so that you don't notice it while driving?
The bumper cam isn't really an alternative as it's too low and the bonnet cam is actually a roof cam and is too high. And the chase cam might give you an advantage, but isn't as immersive.

I'm using Cockpit View only since GT Sport. I did position my TV in a height that it more or less perfectly matches the on screen wheel.
On top of that I don't use any sort of HUD so that nothing distracts my attention.
Just me the car and off I go.
The only way for me personally to play GT.

 

[Florian Kolle]

I'm using Cockpit View only since GT Sport. I did position my TV in a height that it more or less perfectly matches the on screen wheel.
On top of that I don't use any sort of HUD so that nothing distracts my attention.
Just me the car and off I go.
The only way for me personally to play GT.

And you're racing on wheel? So you position it, that the on screen wheel is directly behind your real wheel and that works? That's what I was thinking, too.

 

[PirovacBoy]

And you're racing on wheel? So you position it, that the on screen wheel is directly behind your real wheel and that works? That's what I was thinking, too.

Yes exactly this. I'm using a Wheel Setup and my physical Steering wheel is perfectly in line with the Steering wheel in game.
Of course I have a round wheel as well as an open wheel rim so depending on the car I'm driving in game and it's steering wheel, I swap the rims on my Wheelbase.
Works perfectly and in my case using a 77" TV it feels as sitting inside the car as the screen size almost completely covers my field of view.

 

[ZevZoq]

Yes exactly this. I'm using a Wheel Setup and my physical Steering wheel is perfectly in line with the Steering wheel in game.
Of course I have a round wheel as well as an open wheel rim so depending on the car I'm driving in game and it's steering wheel, I swap the rims on my Wheelbase.
Works perfectly and in my case using a 77" TV it feels as sitting inside the car as the screen size almost completely covers my field of view.

So then with the 77" screen, the on screen wheel must be pretty huge in relation to your real wheel? With my 50" screen (which as I said earlier sits about a meter behind my wheel base) the on screen steering wheel in cockpit view is probably larger by about 30% than my physical wheel. I find that a little bothersome but the biggest issue for me is the animated driver arms and gear shifting. I use the paddle shifters on the G29 and it bugs me when the arm on screen drop for a gear change and then takes forever to return to the wheel! lol. I find it much easier to enjoy the in car view in a car that also has paddle shifters like the Porsche GT3 RS. I wish there was at least an option to have the drivers hands just stay on the wheel at all times. But Ideally I'd like to be able to turn the wheel animation off all together.

 

[PirovacBoy]

So then with the 77" screen, the on screen wheel must be pretty huge in relation to your real wheel? With my 50" screen (which as I said earlier sits about a meter behind my wheel base) the on screen steering wheel in cockpit view is probably larger by about 30% than my physical wheel. I find that a little bothersome but the biggest issue for me is the animated driver arms and gear shifting. I use the paddle shifters on the G29 and it bugs me when the arm on screen drops for a gear change and then takes forever to return to the wheel! lol. I find it much easier to enjoy the in car view in a car that also has paddle shifters like the Porsche GT3 RS. I wish there was at least an option to have the drivers hands just stay on the wheel at all times. But Ideally I'd like to be able to turn the wheel animation off all together.

Yes it all depends on how close I move my PlaySeat towards the TV.
If I go for the perfect Field of View then the In game steering wheel becomes larger in width compared to my physical Wheel attached to the Wheelbase.
Which actually doesn't bother me as to me the most important factor is to have both Rims at the same height.
Because I typically focus on the road ahead so the slightly wider rim doesn't distract me whilst driving.
On the other hand if I move my Seat just a few cm further away from the Screen at the cost of a completely perfect FOV, both Wheels seemingly Blend in, both in height and width.
These days I mostly opt for the perfect middleway or let's put it this way I go for the best of both Worlds.

 

[timekiller001]

In my personal opinion, there's just no perfect camera view. Every single one has pros and cons - but the most important one will always be personal preference. There is no right or wrong.

I personally use the bumper cam. Thanks to the rear view mirror and the MFD of the hud being in the middle, if gives me the best overview of what's happening around me. But it is very low so if you are close to other cars, visibility will be an issue. So I often tend to move out of the slipstream towards the end of the straight, just to visualize my location and the brake marker, but sometimes people misinterpret it and go defensive - even though I have no intention of attacking in those situations.

I would prefer to use the hood/roof cam, but it doesn't have the rear view mirror and the MFD is on the bottom right, so a bit out of view.

The cockpit cam is in a bit of a weird position if you compare it to other sims and it lacks customizability options, so I'm not using that in online races. I do use it offline sometimes though.

Normally I don't have a problem with chase cam - I can use it very well in Arcade games. But ever since the chase cam got so incredibly stiff (I believe it was from GT4 onwards), I can't use that anymore in GT. I have no problem using it in GT1-3 though.

And yes, I'm using a wheel. But it's positioned lower than the screen so it doesn't obstruct the view.

 

[Florian Kolle]

Let's just hope they'll fix this in GT8 and give us a dash cam view.
What about professional contests, is there a certain cam mandatory? That's beyond my level, just wondering.
And is there a way to see fuel and tire stats, without all the rest in cockpit view?

 

[Florian Kolle]

Don't you get nautious if you're racing in VR for hours?

 

[AerodyManiac]

I'm using cockpit cam, cause it gives me the most realistic experience. I'm still on controller, but I'm thinking about getting a wheel. Unfortunately GT doesn't have a dash cam, like Forza or AC, where you see the cockpit without the wheel. So I was wondering if it's worth it to get a wheel, if you're using cockpi view. I mean, is it distracting to see the second wheel behind your real wheel, or can you mount it in an angle, so that it covers the wheel behind it? Or does it kinda blend in, so that you don't notice it while driving?
The bumper cam isn't really an alternative as it's too low and the bonnet cam is actually a roof cam and is too high. And the chase cam might give you an advantage, but isn't as immersive.

Another 99% cockpit view user racing with a wheel here. I think the biggest issue one may face when switching from controller to wheel is not the wheel displayed on the screen, but rather maximising the enjoyment one can get from the wheel without spending too much. Because I mounted my wheel on a flat chair that sits pretty high, there is a metal beam (the whole back of the chair) that might get in the way between my vision and the screen (I forgot if it really obstructs my view, I will have to check), but it doesn't really distract me much. I do have a wee bit of nuisance in the form of the chair not being sturdy enough to deal with the torque of my T300 RS, though that is still a very minor problem that doesn't stand in the way of me enjoying the game, since you can adjust the maximum torque supplied in-game.

There will be two steering wheels turning while you play with a wheel in GT, but I never find that to be a problem; maybe it's because I have a large enough TV that I can afford to sit further away from the screen and every time I play, the wheel is out-of-field enough to not be the focus as I concentrate on the screen... 😅 Or maybe it's just the adaptability that comes with being 26-years-young.

I thought about switching over to VR, but the idea of having two screens glowing centimeters away from my eyeballs for hours doesn't sound good, and the limited use of PSVR2 I have beyond GT makes it less attractive, so I'm still on the fence.

 

[Alfa Romeo GT]

Let's just say that if you're used to removing the steering wheel in games and having good visibility, switching to gt7 is complicated, plus you're a little further from the windscreen and i hate that.

Especially as there's a tiny latency between the moment I turn the wheel and the slowness of the animation in gt7.
This is extremely frustrating, as the vehicle modeling is incredible.


But it all depends on the vehicle, some have much better visibility (my holy clio V6 for example)

And others are dreadful.

 

[Zorz]

Don't you get nautious if you're racing in VR for hours?

Not really, or at least not in my experience.

Once I got acclimatised to VR, the nausea went away completely. That took about a week for me doing short sessions, stopping when it started to feel uncomfortable then coming back a few hours later, and slowly building up over time.

The only incident that made me feel a bit queasy after that was rolling the car on a rally stage. Your perspective is locked to the horizon in VR so the car rolled around me whilst I stayed upright. That was pretty disorientating.

Now the only concern is getting hot with the headset on, so I keep a fan next to my rig in case I need it. It can also get tiring if I'm in there for a while, but I've done plenty of 60-90 minute races in VR.