Why did F1 switch to grooved tires?

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If the grooves would help,why are other racing class don`t use it?GP2 will use it this season,because of the rules.
The bigger tyres with grooves only produce more drag,so it doesn`t make F1 faster.But that is the joke with these tyres.It is designed this way to reduce cornering speed.

As for the Minardi in Australia problem:
I don`t get it.Ferrari complains about the 2004 spec wings from Minardi (they `didn`t wanted them to use it).As if Minardi will get that much speed compared to the competition that they will pass Ferrari :crazy:
What does Ferrari have to fear from Minardi?The only thing Minardi could do is being faster than Jordan allready.
But at one side I know why Ferrari didn`t what it.They turned the F2004 into a 2005 version of the car,so why would Minardi don`t?
 
MJW
As for the Minardi in Australia problem:
I don`t get it.Ferrari complains about the 2004 spec wings from Minardi (they `didn`t wanted them to use it).As if Minardi will get that much speed compared to the competition that they will pass Ferrari :crazy:
What does Ferrari have to fear from Minardi?The only thing Minardi could do is being faster than Jordan allready.

It's not a question of being afraid by Minardi. It's a question of respecting the rules.
If Minardi is allowed to do that, can you tell me why Jordan could not ? And then, why not sauber....or redbull ? Where is the limit then ? Everybody has to respect the rules, it's as simple as that.
If everybody states that he can take some liberty with the rules, then it's over. Mac Laren, as having finished 5th of the 2004 championship, is allowed to run a 3rd car on friday testing.
So, if Minardi is allowed to do something that is forbidden, why williams or BAR could not also have a 3rd car ? because they finished 4th and 2nd last year.
There is a rule, it's vain to complain about it. Here is a latin sentence that sumes it up "DURA LEX, SED LEX" : the law is hard, but it's the law .
And the law applies to everybody that want to be part of a competition.
 
snypa
It's not a question of being afraid by Minardi. It's a question of respecting the rules.
If Minardi is allowed to do that, can you tell me why Jordan could not ? And then, why not sauber....or redbull ? Where is the limit then ? Everybody has to respect the rules, it's as simple as that.
If everybody states that he can take some liberty with the rules, then it's over. Mac Laren, as having finished 5th of the 2004 championship, is allowed to run a 3rd car on friday testing.
So, if Minardi is allowed to do something that is forbidden, why williams or BAR could not also have a 3rd car ? because they finished 4th and 2nd last year.
There is a rule, it's vain to complain about it. Here is a latin sentence that sumes it up "DURA LEX, SED LEX" : the law is hard, but it's the law .
And the law applies to everybody that want to be part of a competition.

In the second part of my post I said that I respect the point of Ferrari.All teams have done a hard job to get a car to the 2005 rules,so why would one don`t?
It`s just that all the other teams didn`t care.It allmost looks like Ferrari wants all different things than the other teams.
 
Ferrari did end up signing and allowing Minardi to run, but then the FIA didn't allow it, then the supreme court did but the FIA got all pissy, so Stoddard used '05 spec cars anyway.

Blake
 
Blake
Ferrari did end up signing and allowing Minardi to run, but then the FIA didn't allow it, then the supreme court did but the FIA got all pissy, so Stoddard used '05 spec cars anyway.

Blake

That`s a part I didn`t pick up.Well,done is done,and I hope there will be no problems like this in F1 this year.I just enjoy the sport like it is.Maybe a bit to political,but who cares?We can`t do a thing about it.
 
MJW
In the second part of my post I said that I respect the point of Ferrari.All teams have done a hard job to get a car to the 2005 rules,so why would one don`t?
It`s just that all the other teams didn`t care.It allmost looks like Ferrari wants all different things than the other teams.

Ok, I didn't intend to hurt you, and yes, I saw the second part of your post, everything's ok. :)

About Ferrari's intentions, of course they differ from the others, and this is due to the situation. In the nowadays F1, tactical and political moves count for 50%.
As a defending champion, Ferrari try to keep the rules as conservative as they can. As challengers, other teams have to push in order to change things and create a situation where everybody starts from 0. (its still better for them than trying to reduce an existing gap)

The teams also made differents choices for the future. Ferrari has always based his working on field testing, whereas other teams try to simulate as much as possible. That's why they try to limit the private tests, while ferrari doesn't want to hear about it. Ferrai is also stuck as the only top team equipped with bridgestone (which is a big mistake to my mind, and bridgestone should have avoid that by treating BAR as a real top team, now it's too lates, they're gone). So they are obliged to do a lot of tests, as simulation is not a good solution for tires testing.

On the other side, michelin takes profit of a considerable amount of datas from renault, Toyota, Williams, etc. Even if they say the team don't share datas, Michelin is able to get some kind of a synthesis of this, which allow them to improve dramaticaly. If I admit the chassis differs all from the others, there is a common base for sure. A good tire for renault should not be too bad for the others.
You may also consider that the challengers ultimate goal is to beat the 7year reigning champion, whatever the price - even if another challenger finally does it first. This alliance is based on circumstancies, and should change after Ferrari will be beaten. It's also well-known that English teams (Mac laren, Williams) always did these sort of alliances against Ferrari (Ron just hates what Ferrari is).
Generally speaking, I would say that ferrari made the mistake to let everybody going in the other camp (even Sauber). Their main problem is Bridgestone efficency. When the tires are good, they can win, but other teams, all equipped with Michelin can still earn 2nd or 3rd places (the best of them get the best places). On the other side, when Bridgestone is out of the target, Ferrari is forced to fight for a 8th place (all Michelin team in front). Here is their real problem, as tire manufacturers can sometimes be wrong, especially this year, as the rules concerning tires changed dramatically.

Anyway, The season is at its beginning, it's going to be very interesting I think. Ferrari didn't show everything in barhein, Mac Laren, Williams and Toyota can also improve, the gap with Renault can be reduced.

GilesGuthrie
You raise some interesting points.

Firstly, on the slight reduction in accident speeds, you need to remember that momentum (the force of impact) squares with speed, so higher impact speeds to have significant effects on impact energy, and a small reduction in speed can produce a large reduction in impact energy.

Thank you for responding, you're totally right, and to be honest, I thought about it (but my english is far from perfect and sometimes makes a sort of barrier). I should have said it differently . I think that a V8 powered F1 will be able to get quite the same corner speeds as a V10 powered F1. Thank you for having pointed that. 👍

Regards,

Snypa
 

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