Why do so many people insist on badmouthing shift?
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Well, your thread is pointless really.
"Badmouthing" is one thing, being critical about something is another. Third dimension is being "constructive critical" where you notice some issues and contextualize them in order to provoke either reaction of interested parties or start the constructive discussion.
Your thread is basically complaining about complaining and that is greatest achievement of all recent boards.
Also please understand that many of members here are general fans of virtual racing, not just one particular title.
With our personal expertise in that area - playing almost all available titles on all available platforms - comes the need to get the best virtual experience we can get. Advancement in technology and overall advancement in all areas important for virtual recreation of racing has led us to level of expectations we all have towards all new titles - not just one in general.
When somebody announce something using some words and phrases that lead people to believe that some product will fulfill some expectations in some areas than expectation become greater.
Highlighting certain areas of personal disappointment and subjective views on some issues - when contextualized in overall appearance of particular product - could be perceived differently by different persons.
However, I can draw a very clear line about somebody just speaking nonsense or somebody being critical or constructively critical.
As soon as you realize that being critical about something does not mean negativism per-se, you will be able to separate yourself from the same bunch of people you're referring in the opening post. Until than, you'll be the same as those you're criticizing.
Care to explain who are "elitist"? That particular term become so popular recently and I really fail to understand the context of it's usage. Thank you in advance.
"Badmouthing" is one thing, being critical about something is another. Third dimension is being "constructive critical" where you notice some issues and contextualize them in order to provoke either reaction of interested parties or start the constructive discussion.
Your thread is basically complaining about complaining and that is greatest achievement of all recent boards.
Also please understand that many of members here are general fans of virtual racing, not just one particular title.
With our personal expertise in that area - playing almost all available titles on all available platforms - comes the need to get the best virtual experience we can get. Advancement in technology and overall advancement in all areas important for virtual recreation of racing has led us to level of expectations we all have towards all new titles - not just one in general.
When somebody announce something using some words and phrases that lead people to believe that some product will fulfill some expectations in some areas than expectation become greater.
Highlighting certain areas of personal disappointment and subjective views on some issues - when contextualized in overall appearance of particular product - could be perceived differently by different persons.
However, I can draw a very clear line about somebody just speaking nonsense or somebody being critical or constructively critical.
As soon as you realize that being critical about something does not mean negativism per-se, you will be able to separate yourself from the same bunch of people you're referring in the opening post. Until than, you'll be the same as those you're criticizing.
Care to explain who are "elitist"? That particular term become so popular recently and I really fail to understand the context of it's usage. Thank you in advance.
Mr Latte
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The game deserves to be properly playtested by real players before being judged unfairly yes.
People will moan regardless, in GT5 one major moan was "hell only 200 Premium cars", Shift2 hasnt even got that in total. Only certain tracks have weather, wheres the weather in Shift 2?
Crashes and damage in GT5 were really poor considering the level of detail in the cars. Compared to Shift2 now theirs a major improvement. Autolog could be a great game enchancer between friends for longevity.
So certainly Shift 2 does seem to have its own CREDITWORTHY features. As yet the "Shift" franchise hasnt convinced everyone for its gamestyle and handling but it takes time to grow a new franchise and build up a large community fanbase.
EA want massive sales and usually do get them so this was always going to be high on excitement factor and utilise online play quite well. Being multiplatform this will likely outsell FM3 which did rather poor in longterm sales.
People will moan regardless, in GT5 one major moan was "hell only 200 Premium cars", Shift2 hasnt even got that in total. Only certain tracks have weather, wheres the weather in Shift 2?
Crashes and damage in GT5 were really poor considering the level of detail in the cars. Compared to Shift2 now theirs a major improvement. Autolog could be a great game enchancer between friends for longevity.
So certainly Shift 2 does seem to have its own CREDITWORTHY features. As yet the "Shift" franchise hasnt convinced everyone for its gamestyle and handling but it takes time to grow a new franchise and build up a large community fanbase.
EA want massive sales and usually do get them so this was always going to be high on excitement factor and utilise online play quite well. Being multiplatform this will likely outsell FM3 which did rather poor in longterm sales.
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I see a lot of what I think he means - Many people assume the GT series is the standard in physics to which all other games should be compared. Generally, its because they lack experience with real cars, as anyone who has spent a lot of time at 11/10ths in a car will notice issues in the GT engines. GT4 had a terrible system for the tires, and GT5 has improved on this a bit.
Mostly though, these physics elitists haven't visited the PC sim scene or really spent much time driving real cars. It is just another form of mindless fanboyism.
As for Shift 2, I think I'll rent it, though is there a demo for PC, as I may just go that way as it tends to look better on the PC from what I've found.
Mr Latte
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Regards physics people forget one major factor.
These are games, they are meant to be fun to enjoy and entertain.
Peoples crusade or high demands for accurate realisim in handling and physics from a console are kinda kidding themselves.
Even my own personal desires for taking audio/tactile and utilising multiscreens with a good wheel in a cockpit is for "entertainment" not for chasing some degree of simulation accuracy or realisim.
Who else still plays for fun?
These are games, they are meant to be fun to enjoy and entertain.
Peoples crusade or high demands for accurate realisim in handling and physics from a console are kinda kidding themselves.
Even my own personal desires for taking audio/tactile and utilising multiscreens with a good wheel in a cockpit is for "entertainment" not for chasing some degree of simulation accuracy or realisim.
Who else still plays for fun?
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I agree. Realism is fun for me because I love cars and for now, video games are as close as I can get. Believe me if I could go out and drive a Mclaren F1 or a Ferrari F40 for real, I would 
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That said, I haven't got Shift yet so I'll reserve judgement until I play it. I realise it's not going to be as realistic as Gran Turismo, and I'm bummed about Bathurst being modelled poorly, but that's not to say it can't still be a good game.
.That said, I haven't got Shift yet so I'll reserve judgement until I play it. I realise it's not going to be as realistic as Gran Turismo, and I'm bummed about Bathurst being modelled poorly, but that's not to say it can't still be a good game.
Mr Latte
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For some people, fun = realism. I'm one of them. But I won't go and bash games like NFS because clearly they aren't meant to be as realistic as those PC sims. Having said that, drifting in shift 2 is just plain terrible.
Yes Im with you on that but I refer to people expecting too much particulary with realisim and bad mouthing a game because of it.
Like you say if you have a reality on what to expect from a console game and the market these games are aimed at then your less likely to have issues.
The problem is often developers overhype their games regards handling/physics realisim and for me if anyone is the worst for that it was Turn 10 in reference to "tyre modelling" making claims of them teaming up with "Mclaren" comparing their game to their "multimillion pound simulator". I say "Steady on Definitive Dan".
Still on the upside at least Turn 10 had a developer diary and keep us informed not talking in riddles and confirming very little like PD do.
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- maxpontiac
Well, How about...
1 - They enjoy all driving games on the consoles. In the past year or so I have played GT5, Ferrari Challenge, Superstars V8, Forza 3 and Shift 1.
2 - The driving in Shift is bad. It feels like my car has a pivot point under it, and that Youtube video of the EVO spinning like a top is how it is.
3 - This is GTPlanet. The place with trained Crime Scene Investigators.
GT5 was ripped to shreds on this site, and yet you question the same thing happening to S2?
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- tribolik
Well, How about...
1 - They enjoy all driving games on the consoles. In the past year or so I have played GT5, Ferrari Challenge, Superstars V8, Forza 3 and Shift 1.
2 - The driving in Shift is bad. It feels like my car has a pivot point under it, and that Youtube video of the EVO spinning like a top is how it is.
3 - This is GTPlanet. The place with trained Crime Scene Investigators.
GT5 was ripped to shreds on this site, and yet you question the same thing happening to S2?
For one thing if I hadnt pre ordeed GT5 and had come here and read the reviews I wouldnt have bought it at all
With shift 2 the opposite happened (thanks to my experience with GT5) because I can tell the difference between an honest opinion and a spoild brat whinning... so Im definitly getting this one because it looks like actual fun (unlike GT5)
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- maxpontiac
I'll disagree with you on GT5's fun factor. I don't need hyper AI with ultra competitiveness to have fun. If that is what I am after, I'll go online in GT5.
Shift 2 does a lot of things right. But the driving to me feels so wrong, and the driving in itself, is where I draw the "fun" from.
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Maybe you need to mess with the settings a bit, but you would probably be right if the online wasnt full with rammers, idiots and little kids that dont now better...
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- maxpontiac
That is basically GRID's description. You sure the same problem exists in Shift 2?
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Some folks will not like Shift2, they can express their opinions, i do not see that as bad mouthing. Same as folks who do not like GT5. Folks should just stop talking crap about one to make the other look better, that's just pathetic. 
Now that i have played shift2, i can say i like them both. They are both good games with their own set of issues. So it's win-win for me. wooohooo!
Now that i have played shift2, i can say i like them both. They are both good games with their own set of issues. So it's win-win for me. wooohooo!
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- maxpontiac
Hmm, I don't have it yet but I'm planning on getting it anyway. Hopefully it's not as bad as GRID. GRID was good mind you, but I didn't like piloting a boat on a track.
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Some folks will not like Shift2, they can express their opinions, i do not see that as bad mouthing. Same as folks who do not like GT5. Folks should just stop talking crap about one to make the other look better, that's just pathetic.
Now that i have played shift2, i can say i like them both. They are both good games with their own set of issues. So it's win-win for me. wooohooo!
Great news you like it as it didnt seem you were digging it before release 👍
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yep, I still have the same complaints but overall it's good. 👍
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