Why is the Bugatti Veyron a "Standard" car for its price?

[GranTurismo916]

Theres a lot of cars more than that are premium. Let me make the list:

Audi R8 LMS Race Car (and Playstation) '09
R8 Race Car (and Playstation) '01 and '05
Bentley Speed 8 Race Car
BMW McLaren Race Car
V12 LMR
2J, 2D (Chaparral)
Camaro LM Race Car
Corvette C5-R
Viper Team Oreca
GT LM Race car Spec I, Spec II
GT40 Race Car
RS200 Rally Car
Vertigo
FGT
.....

Ok, too lazy to finish it. lol.

 

[Jarnac]

Some of you are missing the point completely. The Veyron isn't premium, because PD realises how utterly pathetic the car is.

Fastest road legal 'production' (whatever that means) car obviously doesn't mean much to PD - not necessarily a point for criticism in itself. Considering the affection this car garners in terms of critical appreciation, however, it does at least deserve to be a premium. I think a lot of the GT5 detractors would have a lot less to say if this was the case.

 

[symustafa1996]

It will probably get the premium treatment in the future. I mean, it is a very significant car in automobile history. Not because of it's speed alone, but because of VW being able to achieve all that speed while still being able to give stability and comfort to the passengers.

And for all those who hate the Veyron, think about how hard it was for them to make it. VW is even losing money on each they sell. Because it's such an engineering feat. It's ugly because of aerodynamics. It needs a 1000 bhp because they want it to go fast while providing complete luxury, to push all that weight. And the build quality is 10 times better than your average car because it needs to be able to survive travelling at insane speeds. If you driving a Veyron at 400km/h, you won't feel much. It's very stable.

And this is the car you guys call pathetic, giant fridge on wheels and absurd. Well, guess what, try making a car similar to it, see how hard it is.

 

[CarBastard]

Everyone can get a car to reach a certain speed, by adding an excessive amount of power to it. And I do honestly think this is the reason for PD not making it premium. It simply hasn't done anything to deserve premium treatment. Hence why they focus on other, more important cars, in their DLC's.

You don't make any sense. At all.

First, a car getting or not the premium treatment doesn't have much to do with "merit". Surely, as "undeserving" as the Veyron is, it surely "deserves" the premium status more than, say, a Schwimwagen. It has to do with KY personal preferences (See: Japanese K-cars), deals with manufacturers (See: Toyota 86 various versions), recognitions at car shows (See: SEMA and Pebble beach cars), historical contribution of the car (See: VW Beetle), desirability by the public (See: Lamborghini Aventador), development timeframes (See: Jaguar XFR), etc.

And say what you want, but even Gordon Murray himself has acknowledged that the Veyron is a masterpiece. The "everyone can get a car to reach a certain speed, by adding an excessive amount of power to it" argument is ridiculous, because in fact that's the way every speed record has been achieved. According to your argument, the McLaren F1 is also "excessive and pathetic" because it had more power than a Jag XJ220. Don't you think there's a reason why the Thrust SSC had more power than La Jamais Contente? You can like or hate the Veyron, but denying the sheer genius behind its engineering is plain ignorance.

And, what are the so-called more important cars they've focused on for DLC? A Nissan Leaf? A fat Mini?

As to why PD didn't made it premium, I think the most reasonable answer is: poorly managed time. They modelled it for GTPSP and ported it to GT5, just like a couple of LMPs, both LMS R8, the Furai, and the Countach. Oddly enouch, GT5 has some cars could've been modelled in the time GTPSP was developed, like the Enzo, the GT-R Spec V, and the ZR-1 'Vette. So, with some GTPSP cars being premium in GT5, and some others, not regardless of their significance (All of them are droolworthy!!! ), my guess is that they, as always, ran out of time.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Can't the Veyron be saved to become premium in GT6? No point of making it premium now don't you think? Besides that, there could another veyron in that game anyways or whatever, but I'll go for the bugatti eb110 instead anyday. So to make it premium in GT5 is not a big deal...

And plus, who cares if it's the fastest car. I go for cars for the shear fun and love of driving them.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Because it was modeled for GTPSP but not for GT5 specifically.

It has nothing to do with the price of it whatsoever. A much more plausible reason is time constraints.

 

[peterjford]

Yes, it just has to be absolutely awful for PD to get their hands on a Veyron, even though they got their hands on Ferrari Formula cars, the 787B, the Jaguar XJR, the other Le Mans Jaguar... (of which there is only one of each, there is more than one Veyron)

The first part of your sentence is probably right, even Top Gear had to wait a long time to get a Veyron (and yes, I know you were being sarcastic). You are completely wrong on the second part of your sentence. Ever watch a Formula 1 race? Every team has 2 cars on the track each week, and they usually build more than that during the year, a team like Ferrari definitely does. I don't know how many 787Bs there are left, but 5 were made and the winning car is in a museum in Japan. It just had to be absolutely awful for PD to get their hands on it. The only one you are probably correct about is the XJ13, I think there is only one of those.


As for the answer to the question, look at the post above mine.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

The first part of your sentence is probably right, even Top Gear had to wait a long time to get a Veyron (and yes, I know you were being sarcastic). You are completely wrong on the second part of your sentence. Ever watch a Formula 1 race? Every team has 2 cars on the track each week, and they usually build more than that during the year, a team like Ferrari definitely does. I don't know how many 787Bs there are left, but 5 were made and the winning car is in a museum in Japan. It just had to be absolutely awful for PD to get their hands on it. The only one you are probably correct about is the XJ13, I think there is only one of those.

The point is that if PD can get a freaking antique Le Mans prototype in the studio then there's no reason as to why they can't get a car of which there is over 100 of in the studio.

 

[MoLiEG]

You Veyron haters don't know s:censored:!!!

Most of your arguments are just stupid, to say the least...

Let's see:

Everyone can get a car to reach a certain speed, by adding an excessive amount of power to it. And I do honestly think this is the reason for PD not making it premium. It simply hasn't done anything to deserve premium treatment. Hence why they focus on other, more important cars, in their DLC's.

You simply don't know what you're talking about... you can put a gigantic engine with 10000hp on any car, but without a proper mix of good design, good materials, proper construction, aerodynamics... etc, etc... it WON'T WORK!!!

Like I said once, the Veyron isn't just about brute power...

Some of you are missing the point completely. The Veyron isn't premium, because PD realises how utterly pathetic the car is.

So... hitting 400+Kmh in a production car is pathetic???

pesronally if it were me guys, and i worked for pd modelling cars, i would much rather spend my time working away at some of the most beutiful cars the world has seen, than work on the most vulgar and unemotional car that ever set my eyes upon. cars have a soul, and the veyrons i would associate with madona - a complete dick who thinks theyr mr everyone and is the best thing that happened to life ever.

Unemotional??? Vulgar???

The Veyron is about style, luxury, technology, art and power, and about braking the barriers of the impossible... and that cannot be dennied... no matter how hard you try...

 

[another_jakhole]

👍 ^^^

They seem like they just dislike the car for being extravagant and not good enough to enjoy given its status. It looks like stating opinions as facts.

 

[seanneedscar]

You Veyron haters don't know s:censored:!!!

Most of your arguments are just stupid, to say the least...

Let's see:



You simply don't know what you're talking about... you can put a gigantic engine with 10000hp on any car, but without a proper mix of good design, good materials, proper construction, aerodynamics... etc, etc... it WON'T WORK!!!

Like I said once, the Veyron isn't just about brute power...



So... hitting 400+Kmh in a production car is pathetic???





Unemotional??? Vulgar???

The Veyron is about style, luxury, technology, art and power, and about braking the barriers of the impossible... and that cannot be dennied... no matter how hard you try...

Dude you need to LAY OFF the freaking bugatti Kool-Aid

check out youtube. there is a twin turbo ford GT. has like 1500 hp? and outperforms the bugatti in every single way. and is a fraction of the price

there is not a single thing the bugatti breaks thats impossible. the veyron is about excess. thats why a quad turbo 16 cylinder only makes 1k hp when a twin turbo v8 can make 1500. its about excess.

the ONLY redeeming quality about the veyron in gt5 is that it has the highest top speed of all the production cars. but honestly, unless you are on ssrx, it will get beat by pretty much any other car. because its a yacht on wheels.

 

[symustafa1996]

The point is that if PD can get a freaking antique Le Mans prototype in the studio then there's no reason as to why they can't get a car of which there is over 100 of in the studio.

The XJ13 belonged to Jaguar. PD flew over to England, probably, because I don't think Jaguar would want to ship the car over to Japan. But the Veyron.....well, Bugatti is very hesitant about lending their cars. They don't exactly have press cars or such. I read in a Top Gear magazine once, they were the first that Bugatti actually allowed to get their hands on a Veyron for road trip. Even then, a guy from Bugatti followed them to make sure things were ok.


There's 300 Veyrons, all over the world. I'm presuming not many is in Japan. I also presuming the owners wouldn't even allow PD or anyone to touch their Veyrons. And to bother looking for a Veyron owner willing to lend theirs from somewhere else in the world? Too much work. See how hard it is too look for a Veyron? The one that they have in the game is probably modeled from a Veyron that the owner is only willing to lend for a few days.

My point is, for cars like the Ferrari P4 and Jaguar XJ13, it's easier to find because there's only one of them. And they belong to the manufacturers, who only ever use them for shows and exhibitions. They know where to find them. For cars like the Veyron or some other standard rare supercars like the Salleen S7 or Jaguar XJ220 however, it's just such a nuisance to find.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

You have a good argument. I applaud you for that.

But, what about the Zonda? They got their hands on that somehow. I'm sure that whoever owns one would be just as reluctant to give that up for a day.

And don't they put Veyrons on show at car shows? I saw a few watching the Barrett-Jackson auction on TV. That would be an opportunity.

 

[TokoTurismo]

The XJ13 belonged to Jaguar. PD flew over to England, probably, because I don't think Jaguar would want to ship the car over to Japan. But the Veyron.....well, Bugatti is very hesitant about lending their cars. They don't exactly have press cars or such. I read in a Top Gear magazine once, they were the first that Bugatti actually allowed to get their hands on a Veyron for road trip. Even then, a guy from Bugatti followed them to make sure things were ok.


There's 300 Veyrons, all over the world. I'm presuming not many is in Japan. I also presuming the owners wouldn't even allow PD or anyone to touch their Veyrons. And to bother looking for a Veyron owner willing to lend theirs from somewhere else in the world? Too much work. See how hard it is too look for a Veyron? The one that they have in the game is probably modeled from a Veyron that the owner is only willing to lend for a few days.

My point is, for cars like the Ferrari P4 and Jaguar XJ13, it's easier to find because there's only one of them. And they belong to the manufacturers, who only ever use them for shows and exhibitions. They know where to find them. For cars like the Veyron or some other standard rare supercars like the Salleen S7 or Jaguar XJ220 however, it's just such a nuisance to find.

Is that why those cars and rare race and rally cars are standard? If that's the reason, then heck, everyone must know about it.

 

[nfdids]

Some of you are missing the point completely. The Veyron isn't premium, because PD realises how utterly pathetic the car is.

Actually, K.Yamauchi said that the bugatti veyron came out as a standard car because they didn't have enough time to make it premium, not because it was pathetic.

And you are calling pathetic a car that can reach +400 km/h, that is build with technology and in a way like no other in the car industry

I advise you to watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Id36B6Pq9Y

 

[goukipau]

It seems this thread is going towards another Veyron hating thread, like we had so many...
Mods can close this, cause the original OP question wasn't that clever after all.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

ks thats impossible. the veyron is about excess. thats why a quad turbo 16 cylinder only makes 1k hp when a twin turbo v8 can make 1500. its about excess.

how reliable is that 1500HP twin turbo V8? daily driver on pump gas? i doubt it.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

for those saying it might be hard for PD to get their hands on a Veyron you realize that high value/supercar RENTAL is a huge industry? it wouldn't be terribly difficult to rent a Veyron to scan it into a 3D program and record the sounds, and it doesn't necessarily have to be done in Japan either...

 

[MSTER232]

Turn 10 did it...



PD and VW group seem to have good relationship, since GT5 has 3 new VW models thanks to DLC... Hopefully, a Premium Veyron will come sooner rather than later...

That is true but you have to remember that Buggati has a right to who they want to license their cars to, and if they want the cockpits to be featured in the game or not. Despite the fact that PD is well known for the Gran Turismo 5 series, don't ask me why Buggati refused the licensing for the cockpit to be featured in the game.

 

[CarBastard]

Dude you need to LAY OFF the freaking bugatti Kool-Aid

check out youtube. there is a twin turbo ford GT. has like 1500 hp? and outperforms the bugatti in every single way. and is a fraction of the price

there is not a single thing the bugatti breaks thats impossible. the veyron is about excess. thats why a quad turbo 16 cylinder only makes 1k hp when a twin turbo v8 can make 1500. its about excess.

the ONLY redeeming quality about the veyron in gt5 is that it has the highest top speed of all the production cars. but honestly, unless you are on ssrx, it will get beat by pretty much any other car. because its a yacht on wheels.

Nope. Again, your argument is flawed. In no way those overboost Henessey specials can ultimately be better than a Veyron. They might be quicker of the line but they aren't nowhere near as driveable as the Veyron. Neither they are as comfortable, or as well engineered.

Apparently, you're just talking from things you just see on a spreadsheet. So what if it has 16 cylinders? That doesn't say too much really. BRM had an engine that had around 600 Horse power but was a 1.5L V16, would you call that "excess" too because an 8.3L twin-turbo V8 can double the power? Gimme a break...have you heard something called "Turbo Lag"? The Veyron hasn't, because it's turbochargers are small and they spool up quickly.

Then you have to take into consideration things like reliability, safety, craftmanship, etc. Seriously, there's a reason why a Viper costs 80k (250k if you want a Texan engineer to double the horse power for you) and a Veyron 1.5M. For example, the Viper's aerodynamics were designed by Dodge to channel air when the car goes 300 Km/H, surely nothing good will come by mantaining the same basic aerodynamic design, bar a few bits, and making the car handle aerodynamic forces at 100 Km/H more. Same with the crash structure: a Viper/GT/ZR1 was designed to endure a crash up until a certain speed only, but do any of them have something as a carbon-fiber monocoque like the Veyron? Because I know race cars do, and race cars are safe wether they crash at 80Km/h or at 380 Km/h.If they Veyron was nothing more than a scam, trust me, the entire automotive world would've noticed before you.

The Veyron is majestic, it's a monument to human engineering and capacity. It's in many ways like, say, the Eiffel Tower. A big lump of metal that defies belief. Some people think it's ugly as 🤬, some people praise it. But it's undeniable that it's a benchmark and that it was crafted by some outstanding craftsmen and designed by truly awesome engineers. Like the great pyramids, like the Parthenon, like the Empire State, the Veyron is big, and powerful, and fast, and heavy, and imponent because THEY-CAN-:censored:ING-MAKE IT THAT WAY. VW also makes more sensitive cars, like the Aventador, the 911, and the R8 but still they decided to go berserk. And I love that.

I advise you to watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Id36B6Pq9Y

Ohh... thanks!!!

 

[MSTER232]

The Buggati Veyron is a good car when driven in the correct way, but there are room for improvements.

End topic.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

The Buggati Veyron is a good car when driven in the correct way, but there are room for improvements.

End topic.

The topic is far from over. How can you improve something that sets the benchmark? There's no need to improve it because nothing else is close.

 

[symustafa1996]

Is that why those cars and rare race and rally cars are standard? If that's the reason, then heck, everyone must know about it.

If you haven't noticed, most of those rare race cars that are standard are from GT4. All the premium cars are new to the series.

 

[LR-MR-Cole]

I hope next DLC will have the Bugatti. Standard to premium, just like what pd did with the Jag[/

Screw the Bugatti Veyron as a premium, Its no car worth driving on a circuit in GT5 its like a whale on wheels. Id would rather see the Audi R8 LMS as a premium and if there is a premium Veyron they just might as well add the Veyron Super Sport to the mix.

 

[zzz_pt]

What about the Ford GT40 ´69? 19.9xx.xxx Cr? It´s standard too...

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

check out youtube. there is a twin turbo ford GT.

Thanks for reminding me that I haven't seen the video in over three months and that I now have to do that and I will post it here so people can **** at it's sheer power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpX8pnlvsoU

 

[another_jakhole]

Actually, K.Yamauchi said that the bugatti veyron came out as a standard car because they didn't have enough time to make it premium, not because it was pathetic.

And you are calling pathetic a car that can reach +400 km/h, that is build with technology and in a way like no other in the car industry

I advise you to watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Id36B6Pq9Y

👍 the fact that the Veyron is in the game says that PD got the licence to use it in GT5.

PD's modelling/graphics department ran out of time like you said that Kaz said.