Why isn't there a law against...

[eliseracer]

I'm not 100% sure on the regulations with insurance companies, but the tabacco stick problem would have been the fault of the person who gets hit. If the projectile has had time to hit the ground (like it did) then it is considered to be avoidable, and the driver is responsable for not avoiding it. This happened to a friend of my father's a number of years ago, but it wasn't a little stick, it was a bag of concrete, which totalled his car.

But now we can look at ice falling off trees and signs and rooves of buildings. These pose a far bigger risk than a car on the highway. You surely can't start arguing how ice should be cleaned off the trees...

And my point, that I've mentioned twice now, still stands. If you have gotten hit all of these times by ice, then the people who don't clean off their cars, theoretically, get hit just as much. They aren't complaining though, and they still don't clean their cars off.

 

[194GVan]

I'm not 100% sure on the regulations with insurance companies, but the tabacco stick problem would have been the fault of the person who gets hit. If the projectile has had time to hit the ground (like it did) then it is considered to be avoidable, and the driver is responsable for not avoiding it. This happened to a friend of my father's a number of years ago, but it wasn't a little stick, it was a bag of concrete, which totalled his car.

Good point, once again I was taking FoolKiller's statement a little out of context

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm not 100% sure on the regulations with insurance companies, but the tabacco stick problem would have been the fault of the person who gets hit. If the projectile has had time to hit the ground (like it did) then it is considered to be avoidable, and the driver is responsable for not avoiding it. This happened to a friend of my father's a number of years ago, but it wasn't a little stick, it was a bag of concrete, which totalled his car.

But now we can look at ice falling off trees and signs and rooves of buildings. These pose a far bigger risk than a car on the highway. You surely can't start arguing how ice should be cleaned off the trees...

And my point, that I've mentioned twice now, still stands. If you have gotten hit all of these times by ice, then the people who don't clean off their cars, theoretically, get hit just as much. They aren't complaining though, and they still don't clean their cars off.

I've been hit by ice once, but seen it happen to others a couple of times also. It is wonderful to knwo that people who don't clean their cars are just as much at risk but it doesn't make the situation any less annoying to thoe of us who care enough about our cars to wish to not have to deal with man-made hail on the highways.

That really is a silly argument. The person using their cell phone in the reestaurant or movie isn't complaining and they must occasionally have to deal with the problem too, so it isn't a problem. Or the gang member is theoretically more likely to get killed than you but he doesn't complain about gangs, so it must not be a problem.

Just because someone doesn't stand up and make hypocritical complaints doesn't mean there isn't an issue.

 

[Swift]

Just because someone doesn't stand up and make hypocritical complaints doesn't mean there isn't an issue.

Thank you, I was trying to figure out where he was going with that.

 

[Kylehnat]

so if people have sheets of ice an inch or two thick, you expect them to hack away at them with ice picks or scrapers? Im sorry, I would rather leave 2 inches of ice on my car than risk scratching the paint or denting the body trying to get it off.

Okay, when we're talking about "ice" we aren't talking about an ice storm that coats everything under a 3-inch layer of ice. We're talking about the ice that started as snow which the owner was too lazy to sweep off of his car when it would have been very easy to do.

Let me explain this: Say it snows 4 fluffy inches of snow. No big deal; that snow flying off of a car won't damage a thing (though it is still a nuisance to people behind you). Now suppose that the sun breaks through during the day and melts that snow just a little bit (as is often the case after the cold front has moved through). Now there is some liquid water trapped in the snow (which the owner was too lazy to sweep off). That car sits out overnight in freezing temperatures, and VOILA! you now have a 2 inch layer of ice on your car, which is more dangerous to others, and much harder to get off, as you mentioned. So a possible hazard has formed because of lazyness. Not cool.

 

[FoolKiller]

Okay, when we're talking about "ice" we aren't talking about an ice storm that coats everything under a 3-inch layer of ice. We're talking about the ice that started as snow which the owner was too lazy to sweep off of his car when it would have been very easy to do.

Let me explain this: Say it snows 4 fluffy inches of snow. No big deal; that snow flying off of a car won't damage a thing (though it is still a nuisance to people behind you). Now suppose that the sun breaks through during the day and melts that snow just a little bit (as is often the case after the cold front has moved through). Now there is some liquid water trapped in the snow (which the owner was too lazy to sweep off). That car sits out overnight in freezing temperatures, and VOILA! you now have a 2 inch layer of ice on your car, which is more dangerous to others, and much harder to get off, as you mentioned. So a possible hazard has formed because of lazyness. Not cool.

Or the case that happened here last year, a half inch to an inch of snow, then it sleets/snows/mix about three to four inches creating a grainy not fluffy layer, then on top of that you get frezing rain for about an hour or two allowing the rain water to mix into the sleet/snow mix and freeze it all together in one huge chunk. The ice is hard and thick enough to walk on top of it without breaking through it unless you stomp with your heel.

It is perfect for sledding but turns an uncleaned car into a projectile launcher.

Just to make it worse, these same people only cleaned a porthole in their windshield but left thier side windows covered so they can't see you and they left their lights covered so that you can see them. My wife does this, so now I clean her car when I clean mine.

 

[Swift]

Let me explain this: Say it snows 4 fluffy inches of snow. No big deal; that snow flying off of a car won't damage a thing (though it is still a nuisance to people behind you). Now suppose that the sun breaks through during the day and melts that snow just a little bit (as is often the case after the cold front has moved through). Now there is some liquid water trapped in the snow (which the owner was too lazy to sweep off). That car sits out overnight in freezing temperatures, and VOILA! you now have a 2 inch layer of ice on your car, which is more dangerous to others, and much harder to get off, as you mentioned. So a possible hazard has formed because of lazyness. Not cool.

That was the best explaination of what I'm talking about. Thanks kylehnat. 👍

 

[Joey D]

All you have to do is let your car run for like 7-8 minutes and it will be defrosted...hell I start up my truck alla remote start before I go to work. I usally make my coffee during that time, buy the time the coffee is brewed and in my mug...my truck is de-iced, or melted enough for me to brush everything away. It literally takes me 30 seconds to dust off the truck.

 

[Kylehnat]

^good point, though most people don't really warm their car up before they take off, which makes the ice-problem worse. When the car is first started, that ice layer is fast-frozen to the hood and won't budge. As the engine warms up, so does the hood, which melts the bottom of the ice. After 10-15 minutes on the road (which would put most people on a major highway or freeway), you're ready to let stuff fly 👍

 

[Joey D]

I hardly ever have ice build up on the hood, but just about everyone in Michigan starts up there car in the morning before they go anywhere...its a general rule.

 

[eliseracer]

That really is a silly argument. The person using their cell phone in the reestaurant or movie isn't complaining and they must occasionally have to deal with the problem too, so it isn't a problem. Or the gang member is theoretically more likely to get killed than you but he doesn't complain about gangs, so it must not be a problem.

Just because someone doesn't stand up and make hypocritical complaints doesn't mean there isn't an issue.

That's clearly not my point. It's been snowing every year for almost all of history, and it has snowed every year that cars have existed as well. You'd think that everyone has gotten hit by this murderous flying ice in that time, but not everyone has, in fact, many people who live through long, identical winters don't find it to be a problem. If everyone has been hit, then they would clean their cars. But hold on, they don't! This means one of two things: the first, they are indeed too inconsiderate and lazy to do so, and the second, they simply don't care about this hazard. There is no possible justification to make a law for either of these two points.

For every time you get one of these "close calls" with the flying ice (which has, up to this point, been once), thousands of people die because of other preventable automotive-related occurances. Fix those problems, then you can start trying to rectify the flying ice that has once-in-your-lifetime caused your heart to go a tick or two faster.

To prove a point, I am willing to go outside tomorow morning for several hours of highway driving to see if I get hit by any sort of falling/flying ice. It snowed a good bundle yesterday morning, and it is sunny right now. Tonight will be far below freezing.

 

[FoolKiller]

If everyone has been hit, then they would clean their cars. But hold on, they don't! This means one of two things: the first, they are indeed too inconsiderate and lazy to do so, and the second, they simply don't care about this hazard. There is no possible justification to make a law for either of these two points.

I question the idea of a law but I do hate that people don't clean this stuff off. A law would be hard to write since just a powdery snow mix is no problem, except for the visibilty of the guilty driver. There are too many logitics to actually create a law.

Paying attention are we? I said I didn't think a law was a good idea because of the logistics. At this point I am just saying I hate when people let this happen.

For every time you get one of these "close calls" with the flying ice (which has, up to this point, been once), thousands of people die because of other preventable automotive-related occurances. Fix those problems, then you can start trying to rectify the flying ice that has once-in-your-lifetime caused your heart to go a tick or two faster.

Let me know when you get this argument to work for certain current laws so I can legally remove my seatbelt, litter, or get within ten feet of a stripper (Louisville, KY only). If this argument worked we wouldn't have half the laws we have.

To prove a point, I am willing to go outside tomorow morning for several hours of highway driving to see if I get hit by any sort of falling/flying ice. It snowed a good bundle yesterday morning, and it is sunny right now. Tonight will be far below freezing.

Trust me, it isn't worth the gas.

 

[Swift]

For every time you get one of these "close calls" with the flying ice (which has, up to this point, been once), thousands of people die because of other preventable automotive-related occurances. Fix those problems, then you can start trying to rectify the flying ice that has once-in-your-lifetime caused your heart to go a tick or two faster.

To prove a point, I am willing to go outside tomorow morning for several hours of highway driving to see if I get hit by any sort of falling/flying ice. It snowed a good bundle yesterday morning, and it is sunny right now. Tonight will be far below freezing.

Actually, it's pretty much happened everyday since it snowed last Friday.

Oh, and have fun driving around "looking" for ice to hit your car.

 

[eliseracer]

Paying attention are we?

Oh I was, but the thread's title still reads "Why isn't there a law against..." Althought you could have passed this off as changing your mind.

Let me know when you get this argument to work for certain current laws so I can legally remove my seatbelt, litter, or get within ten feet of a stripper (Louisville, KY only). If this argument worked we wouldn't have half the laws we have.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. I just said that instead of creating laws for something that is barely a nuisance, and not even enforce it, keep cracking down on the more serious driving infractions that people still get away with and people still die from.

The bottom line is, I don't care about it, and you do.

 

[eliseracer]

Actually, it's pretty much happened everyday since it snowed last Friday.

Oh, and have fun driving around "looking" for ice to hit your car.

You say it happens all of the time, then in the next line, you say it won't?

 

[Swift]

You say it happens all of the time, then in the next line, you say it won't?

No action, I said it has happened to me at least 4 times in one week. So, that means it happens a lot with ME. I'm not psychic so I don't know if it's going to happen to you on that kind of frequency.

However it IS an issue and just because you don't care about it doesn't make it a none issue.

 

[eliseracer]

My statement of caring just stated the pointlessness of arguing it. You can't convince me, and I can't convince you. It is still an issue for some.

And sorry about your car, it must be pretty damaged. 4 times a week for the whole winter must be pretty bad.

 

[Swift]

My statement of caring just stated the pointlessness of arguing it. You can't convince me, and I can't convince you. It is still an issue for some.

And sorry about your car, it must be pretty damaged. 4 times a week for the whole winter must be pretty bad.

No 4 times in one week of the FIRST snowfall of the season. It's not the damage I'm worried about, but causing an accident.

 

[FoolKiller]

Oh I was, but the thread's title still reads "Why isn't there a law against..." Althought you could have passed this off as changing your mind.

I did kind of change my mind, because my initial thought was, "Yeah, that should be a law," but then once I thought about it I realized that unless there becomes numerous cases of this causing accidents it isn't feasible.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. I just said that instead of creating laws for something that is barely a nuisance, and not even enforce it, keep cracking down on the more serious driving infractions that people still get away with and people still die from.

I was just trying to point out that your argument is an often ignored argument because laws are made almost daily about things that are less than a nuisance.

The bottom line is, I don't care about it, and you do.

I care because I hate people who act in a way that is at a minimum inconsiderate and possibly even dangerous but they are completely oblivious to the fact.

 

[Plague.Ghost]

No action, I said it has happened to me at least 4 times in one week. So, that means it happens a lot with ME. I'm not psychic so I don't know if it's going to happen to you on that kind of frequency.

However it IS an issue and just because you don't care about it doesn't make it a none issue.

What kind of car do you drive? Maybe God dissaproves.

[No I'm making fun of you, just making light of the situation with a little car-brand humour]