Why no properly random daily races?

[mattikake]

GT7 has the ability to mix up racing with it's dynamic weather. Along with fuel and tyres being set to different wear rates, why are there no daily races where you race in unknown conditions?

All that the game needs is a daily race where the fuel and tyres change for each instance and make use of the random weather function. PD are missing a big trick and I hope they're listening because the development time to add this wouldn't even take a day to do.

This vid explains why this is fun and more realistic. It forces you to drive and think.

 

[Pigems]

Because online races with people who haven’t practiced the combos are nothing but chaos, who wants to go hand out all the DR they spent weeks gaining, in a race that no one’s had a chance to practice for? It would just be bumper cars like it is now every Monday morning.

 

[mattikake]

That race didn't look like bumper cars to me. People will know the track and know the car. It's the race conditions that would vary.

Anyone who ends up playing bumper cars in any situation, can't drive.

 

[Pigems]

That race didn't look like bumper cars to me. People will know the track and know the car. It's the race conditions that would vary.

Anyone who ends up playing bumper cars in any situation, can't drive.

You clearly trust random online players more than I do. They can’t be trusted, even when they are practiced up and ready to go. No thanks on the random variables here, unless it’s in a private lobby with friends.

 

[Nebuc72]

You clearly trust random online players more than I do. They can’t be trusted, even when they are practiced up and ready to go. No thanks on the random variables here, unless it’s in a private lobby with friends.

Just.. don't queue for it then? I'd love a sport mode shuffle race, as do many people I know.

You don't have to partake in it.

 

[Pigems]

Just.. don't queue for it then? I'd love a sport mode shuffle race, as do many people I know.

You don't have to partake in it.

The reason we only have 3 though, is that more races will split the player base even more than this silly PS4/PS5 split already has. As is, top split falls from A+ to C and D drivers at the back of the grid. Any more dividing of players just makes that worse, how is it any fun for those guys getting jammed into races they have no chance in? It’s not.

 

[Nebuc72]

The reason we only have 3 though, is that more races will split the player base even more than this silly PS4/PS5 split has. As is, top split falls from A+ to C and D drivers at the back of the grid. Any more dividing of players just makes that worse, how is it any fun for those guys getting jammed into races they have no chance

I think the bigger issue there comes from the lack of cross platform play, as you said. It'd be fine otherwise.
Additionally, they could disable region locking servers above B or A, the netcode is perfectly fine with long distance in Sport mode, and I do not see how it's any worse than having Canada and Argentina or the UK and South Africa in one lobby anyway.

Overall I'd always say its a better idea for them to fix the fundamentals of the game rather than have it stop them adding variety.

 

[mattikake]

You clearly trust random online players more than I do. They can’t be trusted, even when they are practiced up and ready to go. No thanks on the random variables here, unless it’s in a private lobby with friends.

On the contrary, I think the nature of a strategic race created a more stable environment. In this race players weren't making stupid moves because they had the long game to think of.

It is/was a more realistic race on all levels. This race even had a big spread of driver ratings/abilities by the rating displayed, and eliminated stupid dives and barging because everyone knew there were other ways to win.

The biggest issue with daily races are short races with damage off, creating desperate measures. That's not how real world racing is.

 

[Pigems]

Yo

On the contrary, I think the nature of a strategic race created a more stable environment. In this race players weren't making stupid moves because they had the long game to think of.

It is/was a more realistic race on all levels. This race even had a big spread of driver ratings/abilities by the rating displayed, and eliminated stupid dives and barging because everyone knew there were other ways to win.

The biggest issue with daily races are short races with damage off, creating desperate measures. That's not how real world racing is.

You have obviously never done any FIA in GTS. Even in Top Split with all A+ drivers, you can’t trust people to play the long game, unless you know them. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen people playing defence on lap 1 or a 30+ minute race, allowing the group ahead to get away. Or pulling stupid passes early in a race when the best strat is to work together to keep the draft ahead. And that’s with all the variables being known, and everyone having hours and hours of practice score hand.

 

[Voodoovaj]

The reason we only have 3 though, is that more races will split the player base even more than this silly PS4/PS5 split already has. As is, top split falls from A+ to C and D drivers at the back of the grid. Any more dividing of players just makes that worse, how is it any fun for those guys getting jammed into races they have no chance in? It’s not.

The reason we have three is because this is based on the 5 we had in GT6 quick race.

They took 2 and made them championship races. Leaving 3 for the daily race.

That's why there's 3....all other reasons are bogus

 

[Pigems]

The reason we have three is because this is based on the 5 we had in GT6 quick race.

They took 2 and made them championship races. Leaving 3 for the daily race.

That's why there's 3....all other reasons are bogus

If that’s the case then so be it, but we still don’t have enough players to fill even 3 races with all one tier of driver, how are we supposed to fill more though?

 

[Voodoovaj]

If that’s the case then so be it, but we still don’t have enough players to fill even 3 races with all one tier of driver, how are we supposed to fill more though?

By not screwing over an entire community.

Let me ask you. If winning a sport mode race paid 100k credits for the win, would you chase wins there more than in single player? Of course you would.

If online was THE way to go, more people would play it. If there were viable options people would take those options. People leave game or play SP because there's few options.

Heck, I do it. I want to sit down and play on my time. If I miss the start of race A or Race B, I am sitting for 20 minutes. Who enjoys that? No one.

Give a race every 5 minutes. That's 12 choices an hour instead of three.

Also, this credit fiasco has gone too far. It's bad enough when we had cars that coat 20mil in past iterations, where credits were easier to come by. This lie about it being similar to real life is BS... Why lie? It's hurting profits, not helping.

If they cut the throat of the community, it shouldn't be a surprise that the community dies.

 

[Pigems]

By not screwing over an entire community.

Let me ask you. If winning a sport mode race paid 100k credits for the win, would you chase wins there more than in single player? Of course you would.

If online was THE way to go, more people would play it. If there were viable options people would take those options. People leave game or play SP because there's few options.

Heck, I do it. I want to sit down and play on my time. If I miss the start of race A or Race B, I am sitting for 20 minutes. Who enjoys that? No one.

Give a race every 5 minutes. That's 12 choices an hour instead of three.

Also, this credit fiasco has gone too far. It's bad enough when we had cars that coat 20mil in past iterations, where credits were easier to come by. This lie about it being similar to real life is BS... Why lie? It's hurting profits, not helping.

If they cut the throat of the community, it shouldn't be a surprise that the community dies.

I’ll be honest, in my 500+ Sport races between S and 7, I’ve never once entered a sport race for the credits, I barely even glance at the credits after the race, I honestly couldn’t even tell you what you get for a win? I race for the races, and the competition, that’s it. Nothing beats going 2 wide through half a track on the last lap because neither of you can pull enough to put your bumper in front. No AI race will ever even come close to the races you can get with real people, weather it’s in sport or a lobby race/league. If I need credits I’ll go farm a few offline races, or let the script run for a bit now when I’m at work.

I agree about the daily race schedule though, the start times should be more evenly spread to avoid long waits, and the races should change every other day, but just one race. Like A change Monday, B Wednesday and C Friday or something similar. Then there is a new race every other day, instead of it being the same three all week.


Edit: Here is an example of what I mean. You will never in a million years ever get to have a race like this with an AI driver, never ever. This was the best race I’ve ever been a part of, and the most fun I’ve ever had in a driving game in my life. The 45 lap battle for 2nd place was for the championship win of this series we were running, and it came right down to the last lap. I’d race sport mode or lobbies for minus credits if it meant I got to have more races like this.

 

[RavenR]

Because online races with people who haven’t practiced the combos are nothing but chaos, who wants to go hand out all the DR they spent weeks gaining, in a race that no one’s had a chance to practice for? It would just be bumper cars like it is now every Monday morning.

You're not forced to join them.

This week the combos are garbage, & there's no FIA so i'm flat out skipping the week & just chilling in custom lobbies with the random annoying little turds that come in with their Tomahawk, set fastest lap them claim they'll smash anyone 1 vs 1.

Then when they get called out on that, they get taken to Monza 6 laps with BoP on & lose by 40 seconds, & make up excuses.

Or so I've heard...

Anyway, I'd rather they had 5 weekly races, or 4 weeklies & one actual daily complete random small circuit that rotates each day,with 4 other slots for another weekly race with 2 of them being longer strategy involved races.
I'd also like more Gr1, GR.2 & Gr.X/VGT only races etc.

Hell I wish they would put 1 race in each week which splits the lobby up into 2 teams (Everyones car painted one of two colours) & the position you finish is added up to create two team scores. I'd love team racing similar to what is was like in Blur & then subsequently ripped off by Forza Horizon.

I just wish there was significantly more variation... Right now the combos are so limited & stale that when they're garbage tracks like Autopolis or Bathurst I just don't even bother logging on unless it's for an hour in custom races. The only time I put the time in to practice , get a good qually & race a lot for DR is when it's a track I enjoy, or a GR I enjoy. If it's Gr1,Gr2 I'm probably going to be on all week unless it's at Trashtopolis or Trashurst.
If it's Monza I'm on all week even if it's racing a tricycle
& it's its GR1 @ Sarthe? Ho ho LOOK OUT BABY!

 

[Pigems]

You're not forced to join them.

This week the combos are garbage, & there's no FIA so i'm flat out skipping the week & just chilling in custom lobbies with the random annoying little turds that come in with their Tomahawk, set fastest lap them claim they'll smash anyone 1 vs 1.

Then when they get called out on that, they get taken to Monza 6 laps with BoP on & lose by 40 seconds, & make up excuses.

Or so I've heard...

Anyway, I'd rather they had 5 weekly races, or 4 weeklies & one actual daily complete random small circuit that rotates each day,with 4 other slots for another weekly race with 2 of them being longer strategy involved races.
I'd also like more Gr1, GR.2 & Gr.X/VGT only races etc.

Hell I wish they would put 1 race in each week which splits the lobby up into 2 teams (Everyones car painted one of two colours) & the position you finish is added up to create two team scores. I'd love team racing similar to what is was like in Blur & then subsequently ripped off by Forza Horizon.

I just wish there was significantly more variation... Right now the combos are so limited & stale that when they're garbage tracks like Autopolis or Bathurst I just don't even bother logging on unless it's for an hour in custom races. The only time I put the time in to practice , get a good qually & race a lot for DR is when it's a track I enjoy, or a GR I enjoy. If it's Gr1,Gr2 I'm probably going to be on all week unless it's at Trashtopolis or Trashurst.
If it's Monza I'm on all week even if it's racing a tricycle
& it's its GR1 @ Sarthe? Ho ho LOOK OUT BABY!

You do realize that you can literally do every single thing you just mentioned in private lobby races right? We’ve done team races a few times, they’re fun. We also did a team race with each team having a “soccer ball” car that they had to kick across the line to win, whilst being able to try and hold back the other teams ball. It sounds like the problem is that you just haven’t found the right group to race with yet is all. Come race with us sometime, we race every Friday night, and have all kinds of series and one off events on the go and coming up. Just look in the lobby section at the top of the main page. 👍

 

[Nebuc72]

You do realize that you can literally do every single thing you just mentioned in private lobby races right? We’ve done team races a few times, they’re fun. We also did a team race with each team having a “soccer ball” car that they had to kick across the line to win, whilst being able to try and hold back the other teams ball. It sounds like the problem is that you just haven’t found the right group to race with yet is all. Come race with us sometime, we race every Friday night, and have all kinds of series and one off events on the go and coming up. Just look in the lobby section at the top of the main page. 👍

Sounds like they want competitive race variety, not car football lol.

Besides, the lobby system sucks. It's another fundamental problem with the game. The netcode there is terrible, they constantly break and constantly get disbanded.

I would also like the races I do to affect my rating, which lobbies obviously don't.

 

[RavenR]

You do realize that you can literally do every single thing you just mentioned in private lobby races right? We’ve done team races a few times, they’re fun. We also did a team race with each team having a “soccer ball” car that they had to kick across the line to win, whilst being able to try and hold back the other teams ball. It sounds like the problem is that you just haven’t found the right group to race with yet is all. Come race with us sometime, we race every Friday night, and have all kinds of series and one off events on the go and coming up. Just look in the lobby section at the top of the main page. 👍

It's not the same though, having to go through the effort of organising these kind of events is not the same as just having the freedom to jump into a dedicate event for it with rank attached.

I don't race with a group because it's not enjoyable for me at all... I don't play online games to have friends groups, I play to have fun, disconnect from reality, get a dopamine hit & then get back to reality & travelling, & work & everything else that goes with it.

One of my biggest frustrations with this game is the absolute, total lack of creativity & ways to keep players engaged with fun game modes. I'm not saying you turn it into a complete arcade experience, but does it have to take itself so seriously with the events?

FIA is really the main reason I log on the most because I love those, but apart from that the online is so mediocre I can't believe it's possible to have this in 2022.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I’ll be honest, in my 500+ Sport races between S and 7, I’ve never once entered a sport race for the credits, I barely even glance at the credits after the race, I honestly couldn’t even tell you what you get for a win? I race for the races, and the competition, that’s it. Nothing beats going 2 wide through half a track on the last lap because neither of you can pull enough to put your bumper in front. No AI race will ever even come close to the races you can get with real people, weather it’s in sport or a lobby race/league. If I need credits I’ll go farm a few offline races, or let the script run for a bit now when I’m at work.

I don't know how much I won for GTS races, but I know that it was enough, and I know that now, it's not enough.

I fret over spending on anything. That's just not fun. It's not even a management meta game because I can't sell the cars to manage my money. Most people have enough real life money troubles, we don't need them in the game.

GTS was community, community, community. There was (is) a community activity board front and center, now (in GT7) it is buried. The liveries were shared constantly, and always on display in the dailies. Now, you rent a car, so no need for liveries, notvyo mentionbtaht, again, the board ia buried. Dr/Sr management was important. Now, it changes so infrequently, that it's barely a worry.

Even this credit/car issue. Back in the old days, a rare car was proof that you completed a difficult challenge. I would do an hour long race and get the FTO touring car. Do the race again for different colours. It was a badge of honour amongst the community.... Now, it's an indication that you're bad with your money and it's a bit of a badge of shame.

GTS, surprisingly, kept selling millions of copies each year because of community. GT7 won't do that, because SP is not community driven or community focused, and all the things that used to be community driven have been diminished.

More community online means better racing for everyone. More people leaving means crappier racing for everyone.

 

[mattikake]

Agree with all of that ^. There are many problems with online. Imo all PD need to do is update the physics on GTS and delete GT7. Millions of people would be happy immediately.

But the nature of all these stupid sprint races creates chaos. Give the players a chance to try a realistic GT race - long and unknown conditions. It calms people down immediately. You can see in that vid PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY LETTING ME THROUGH. They had the long game and their own strategy to think of.

It was almost like a private league race. Everyone was respectful, obeying racing rules. Hell one guy even obeyed the blue flag rules when being lapped! In a stupid sport mode sprint race they'd have tried to ram you off the track.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, PD are absolute real world illiterates, bordering on retarded. They have as little idea about people as politicians. Their game design is backwards and their online race design is ignorant.

 

[Chris30]

It's not the same though, having to go through the effort of organising these kind of events is not the same as just having the freedom to jump into a dedicate event for it with rank attached.

I don't race with a group because it's not enjoyable for me at all... I don't play online games to have friends groups, I play to have fun, disconnect from reality, get a dopamine hit & then get back to reality & travelling, & work & everything else that goes with it.

One of my biggest frustrations with this game is the absolute, total lack of creativity & ways to keep players engaged with fun game modes. I'm not saying you turn it into a complete arcade experience, but does it have to take itself so seriously with the events?

FIA is really the main reason I log on the most because I love those, but apart from that the online is so mediocre I can't believe it's possible to have this in 2022.

I agree, they only do like 2 online time trial events every month, they should do like maybe 6-8, but if we complain to them what modes we want them to add, will they do it? I mean they should since we're paying our money to them and giving them our business.

 

[FOG-Smokebeer]

I agree, they only do like 2 online time trial events every month, they should do like maybe 6-8, but if we complain to them what modes we want them to add, will they do it? I mean they should since we're paying our money to them and giving them our business.

Just a small correction "we paid are money and gave are business" so they don't have to do anything we can only hope(meh!)

 

[Voodoovaj]

I agree, they only do like 2 online time trial events every month, they should do like maybe 6-8, but if we complain to them what modes we want them to add, will they do it? I mean they should since we're paying our money to them and giving them our business.

Yes. GTS sold year after year. It had a "long tail"

If GT7 doesn't do an about face asap, the sales will nose dive to nothing. I am interested to see the sales figures for this month compared to the first month.

 

[Imari]

If that’s the case then so be it, but we still don’t have enough players to fill even 3 races with all one tier of driver, how are we supposed to fill more though?

By making more players want to play online. If Gran Turismo can't get decent splits for three races, then something has gone catastrophically wrong.

 

[Veinz]

I would like to see the daily races follow the same format as multiplayer in FM6. Have separate lobbies for different classes along with their own curated track roation. After the race is finished, send players back to the lobby for the next race instead of disbanding it. Allow vote to kick, etc.

One of things that really puts me off of sport mode is the waiting around, but playing the same track over and over gets pretty stale too.

 

[BrunusCL82]

I have the impression that PD will only restructure the Sport Mode of GT7 after they close the GT Sport servers.

 

[B80]

Yes. GTS sold year after year. It had a "long tail"

If GT7 doesn't do an about face asap, the sales will nose dive to nothing. I am interested to see the sales figures for this month compared to the first month.

Noticed in Smiths earlier it was reduced, not massively, but exclusives don;t normally get a reduction until further down the line usually do they?

 

[Pigems]

By making more players want to play online. If Gran Turismo can't get decent splits for three races, then something has gone catastrophically wrong.

It’s fine during peak hours, lots of players. It’s the morning/mid day lobbies that can get pretty empty. Between 8 and 12 pm est though the race lobbies are packed with mostly A+ top splits. More players is better I agree, how to get that I have no idea though.


iRacing is a good example. They have about the same consistent 100k player base as GTS has on a daily basis. But with 30+ options for races every hour, half of them don’t even get to start a race most of the time, because there is less than 6 people in the race lobby. Some series only have one race a week that the players all get together and sign up for at the same time, because otherwise they’d never get to race. There only so many series in each category that you can get a full lobby any time of day.

 

[Voodoovaj]

It’s fine during peak hours, lots of players. It’s the morning/mid day lobbies that can get pretty empty. Between 8 and 12 pm est though the race lobbies are packed with mostly A+ top splits. More players is better I agree, how to get that I have no idea though.


iRacing is a good example. They have about the same consistent 100k player base as GTS has on a daily basis. But with 30+ options for races every hour, half of them don’t even get to start a race most of the time, because there is less than 6 people in the race lobby. Some series only have one race a week that the players all get together and sign up for at the same time, because otherwise they’d never get to race. There only so many series in each category that you can get a full lobby any time of day.

When I did this, it was literally my job to sort out how to get more players. It should be someone's full time job to deal with getting more users. That's where most profits will come from. Instead, someone decided MTX was a better route. Hopefully, that person is fired.

IRacing, as popular as it is in the circle of people who love online racing, is still an esoteric game. GT is a broad spectrum game. It is, and has always been, what Mario is to Nintendo. It is Sony's Sonic the Hedgehog.

GTS was the most addictive version yet. Why is that? What did they do that was different? It was not single player, that's for sure.

With an evolution of the Sport concept, they should have been able to fill the ranks. And, as we have seen, the AI COULD be fast if they let it, so they could do some co-op racing where half to 3/4 of the field is AI.

That GTS hit so many users, and kept growing year after year is a testament to the power of online.

GT Sport Hits 9.5 Million Users, a 75% Increase in Comparison to Previous Title

The most popular racing game on Playstation 5, GT Sport, has 9.5 million players head of Polyphony Digital confirms. It's a significant improvement in sales compared to the previous title, however, Forza Horizon 4 still outsold GT Sport long time ago.

www.keengamer.com

 

[mattikake]

Well it seems a couple of leagues I'm in are now thinking of running this kind of more realistic racing series with unknown fuel and unknown tyres. I'm not the only one who likes this added realism.