Why no real reverse gear?

[maciej908]

Since playing GT4 I always wondered why Gran Turismo series never included reverse gear in the game?

It claims to be a "real driving simulator" but somehow I'm never able to put the car into neutral or change down to reverse? Why?

By actually making a reverse gear it would also free up buttons on the controller or steering wheel.

A button for reverse seems silly to me not very "realistic".

Any thoughts?

Edit: I play with Driving Force Pro

 

[Spagetti69]

Since playing GT4 I always wondered why Gran Turismo series never included reverse gear in the game?

It claims to be a "real driving simulator" but somehow I'm never able to put the car into neutral or change down to reverse? Why?

By actually making a reverse gear it would also free up buttons on the controller or steering wheel.

Any thoughts?

Reverse works on a G27. Can't comment on any other product though. Oh the DFGT was a nightmare holding triangle and steering if I remember. Yes you have a point.

Will flappy paddles go down into reverse?

 

[wrapture]

I completely agree with that. I would love a neutral and reverse. The only problem I see is with a H pattern shifter, like G25/27, doesn't have a slot for reverse.

 

[mikekhel30]

With how the clutch system works, I have no problem landing myself on neutral with the good ol G27. Isn't there a reverse game?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Since playing GT4 I always wondered why Gran Turismo series never included reverse gear in the game?

It claims to be a "real driving simulator" but somehow I'm never able to put the car into neutral or change down to reverse? Why?

By actually making a reverse gear it would also free up buttons on the controller or steering wheel.

Any thoughts?

Buy a wheel, problem solved.

 

[mikekhel30]

I completely agree with that. I would love a neutral and reverse. The only problem I see is with a H pattern shifter, like G25/27, doesn't have a slot for reverse.

Push down on 6th is the reverse for G27.

 

[maciej908]

I use DFP and nope reverse doesn't work, and the lowest gear is 1st. I cannot rev the car without holding my foot on the brake at all times. Even the silliest, unrealistic racing games have a neutral and reverse so why not GT?

 

[Spagetti69]

Buy a wheel, problem solved.

Yeah great advice, add a PS3 slim to the shopping cart as well for better frame rates (apparently), oh and a decent tv to avoid jaggies (apparently), ah throw the boat out and get a surround sound system too. You only live once.

Not digging at you, but your response to a fairly easy solved problem for PD to solve, was crap.

 

[Wankelhead]

Buy a wheel, problem solved.

If only the money for it was easy to come by, whithout needing it for other more important stuff. And like getting a PS3 and GT5 alone wasn't expensive enough.
Some people just can't afford that. If only the cheapest good one (aka DFGT) had manual gears...

PD could have done with GT5 what Slightly Mad Studios did with Shift2. Just make the neutral and reverse use the same buttons as the others do, just up and down gears, and add a clutch button.

 

[Tornado]

Will flappy paddles go down into reverse?

No. I've blown a couple transmissions in FM4 because I was so used to not having to worry about engaging reverse with the sequential gearing in GT5 that I downshifted too far. In Ferrari systems they usually make do with a button or a lever to engage reverse.



What they should do is allow you to select neutral by pulling both paddles (or something to that effect). That way you would have neutral instantly rather than having to row down the gears to get it.

 

[IceMan PJN]

Buy a wheel, problem solved.

You're working around a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place. There should never be a reverse button. Period. My car doesn't have a reverse button, so I wouldn't expect one in a "real driving simulator."

 

[VBR]

I agree, you should be able to change down to neutral & then into reverse with the paddle shifters. It's one of the many annoying little problems with GT that will probably never be improved.

 

[Exorcet]

You're working around a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place. There should never be a reverse button. Period. My car doesn't have a reverse button, so I wouldn't expect one in a "real driving simulator."

I don't have to worry about shifting into R while downshifting in my car. I'll keep triangle as reverse.

 

[Tornado]

You're working around a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place. There should never be a reverse button. Period. My car doesn't have a reverse button, so I wouldn't expect one in a "real driving simulator."

The reverse button is there so you can select reverse at any time, like you can on a regular car, without running down the gears to get to it. There should certainly be an option for purely sequential shifting, but the reverse button has a purpose.

 

[Spagetti69]

The reverse button is there so you can select reverse at any time, like you can on a regular car, without running down the gears to get to it. There should certainly be an option for purely sequential shifting, but the reverse button has a purpose.

Useful but a hindrance in certain setups.
I remember my DFGT and trying to reverse whilst steering.
The fact that triangle was on the wheel whilst turning was a problem. I needed fingers like ET to do it.

 

[CarBastard]

Why no real reverse gear?

Because PD is absolutely lazy regarding easy fixes suggested by the community 👎. They should be looking at this forums to see the constructive criticism the largest Gran Turismo community is giving them, but instead they prefer to ignore our suggestions and model more Nissans and crappy hybrid/electric cars.

Needless to say, I agree with all the suggestions here. Reverse as a gear and not a button that's part gear/part throttle should be available for anyone, not only G25/27 owners. Neutral via pushing both paddles at the same time as well, although this could only be for wheel users. At least, make the reverse button only engage reverse and not act as a throttle. You should engage reverse and then accelerate.

 

[Wankelhead]

The reverse button is there so you can select reverse at any time, like you can on a regular car, without running down the gears to get to it. There should certainly be an option for purely sequential shifting, but the reverse button has a purpose.

I don't deny it's usefullness, but PD should at least make it so that we just need to press the button for it to engage the reverse gear, and stay there so that we can use the accelerator pedal to make the car move, instead of making us hold the reverse button to do so. Then let us change the gears normally to go back to the 1st, 2nd, and so on.

 

[Conquerer]

I always preferred GT's use of triangle over having to shift down through all the gears to get to it, or even the brake = reverse method at 0mph. Whenever I played other games, like NFS Shift especially, it just became frustrating when trying to downshift quickly enough to it and having to go through neutral as well (and sometimes forgetting about it and trying to reverse while in neutral). This system just doesn't make sense because in real life with a gear shift you can just shift straight to neutral.

Using triangle is pretty strange to control the throttle though, especially if you're struggling with a wheel. I think the best solution would be to have triangle engage reverse but still require you do use the regular throttle controls (right stick or gas pedal, or X if you're still using stone age controls) to move the car.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I use DFP and nope reverse doesn't work, and the lowest gear is 1st. I cannot rev the car without holding my foot on the brake at all times. Even the silliest, unrealistic racing games have a neutral and reverse so why not GT?

Forza does not have a Neutral either. it goes straight from 1st to Reverse which can be a problem especially with some wheels which have a tendency to double click the shift from time to time coming into a hair pin corner and trying to go from 2nd to 1st lands you in reverse and then likely off the track. As of Forza 4 [or was it 3] they added something so that it will only go into reverse if you are going below a given speed, like maybe 25mph which helps but can still be an issue.

Buy a wheel, problem solved.

It is a much bigger problem with a wheel than a controller. using the game pad it is very simple the press the button for reverse and back up but try holding that button in on a wheel with 900 degree rotation while backing up and turning to get back on the track especially one which has a strong FFB.

It would be nice if the paddle shifters would let you go through all the gears R,N, 1st - whatever

 

[Dan]

There's a reverse button on the Tesla Roadster. :trollface: Yes I know, different thing from GT games. Yes I know there isn't a troll face smiley.

I do really want a manual reverse gear, not a silly button where you can barely control how fast you are going in reverse. But there is the problem of accidentally down shifting into reverse. But I don't think that would be a major issue.

 

[Wankelhead]

It is a much bigger problem with a wheel than a controller. using the game pad it is very simple the press the button for reverse and back up but try holding that button in on a wheel with 900 degree rotation while backing up and turning to get back on the track especially one which has a strong FFB.

Hmm, I'm pretty sure he was mostly refering to those wheels that come with manual shifters such as the G25 and G27.
But yea, by my experience with a DFGT, it gets rather annoying, as the finger often slips from the button when rotating the wheel at the same time.
Hence why I previously said that PD should at least make it so that we just need to press the button for it to engage the reverse gear and control how fast we go with the gas pedal.

 

[RattijuoppoFIN]

There's a reverse button on the Tesla Roadster. :trollface:Yes I know, different thing from GT games. Yes I know there isn't a troll face smiley.

Using white colored font is stupid and in this case rude.

 

[Bluntified]

Using white colored font is stupid and in this case rude.

I don't see how it's stupid or rude? He's right though, the car he mentioned, Telsa Roadster, does have a button for reverse!

I just have a question, where are all you guys driving that you need a reverse gear? I have one but rarely use it, I find it so much easier to use the button .

 

[AlvaroF]

I just have a question, where are all you guys driving that you need a reverse gear? I have one but rarely use it, I find it so much easier to use the button .

In a wheel using a button and try to steer the wheel at the same time is difficult and unpractical. Also you can't control the speed going in reverse because it's a button, so you easily go from one side of the the other and crash on the opposite wall when you want just to return to the race.

Although I don't use a wheel, having a button to reverse in a controller can be a true pain in the a** because you can't how fast you go.

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

The G27 default reverse button(Triangle on the shifter) is pressure sensitive. It also features 6th gear Reverse(press down on shifter). I also feel the need to ask: Why is a reverse gear so important? I will not present a red herring but I do feel this is somewhat of a non-issue[and, in response to the "for you" yes, for me].👎

 

[Lord Protector]

I completely agree with that. I would love a neutral and reverse. The only problem I see is with a H pattern shifter, like G25/27, doesn't have a slot for reverse.

They do have a reverse gear.

 

[Bluntified]

In a wheel using a button and try to steer the wheel at the same time is difficult and unpractical. Also you can't control the speed going in reverse because it's a button, so you easily go from one side of the the other and crash on the opposite wall when you want just to return to the race.

Although I don't use a wheel, having a button to reverse in a controller can be a true pain in the a** because you can't how fast you go.

I see that that its a bit of a pain to hold the button and steer, but if you want to brig practicality into it, you would normally use one hand to steer while reversing anyway, so how is it different? No need to physically look behind you so you can actually use your other hand for reverse button.

Controllers are pressure sensitive and wheel (some) are pressure sensitive, where's the issue?

All in all, I'm not oppose to a reverse gear, I just don't see why it's needed in a game where you typically drive forward.

 

[Foxiol]

Will flappy paddles go down into reverse?

Yes...paddles should make you go through "N" (Neutral) before going to "R" (Reverse).

You can do that in almost every game at least.

It doesn´t work in all cars with paddle shifter since Reverse is tied to a "parking" button or the old gearbox stick. (like having a full automatic car)

 

[Traviizter]

I like it so that you can instantly go down into reverse unlike some games where you need to downshift through ever single gear (Shift 2 for example) just to get to reverse.
In real life you can instantly go to reverse so why not here? If you really want to have to shift down through everything, then I guess it should be made into an option but personally, I don't see the point.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I see that that its a bit of a pain to hold the button and steer, but if you want to brig practicality into it, you would normally use one hand to steer while reversing anyway, so how is it different? No need to physically look behind you so you can actually use your other hand for reverse button.

Controllers are pressure sensitive and wheel (some) are pressure sensitive, where's the issue?

All in all, I'm not oppose to a reverse gear, I just don't see why it's needed in a game where you typically drive forward.

It is different because with a wheel you need to turn the wheel while holding the button which means the button is moving. Turning the wheel with one hand is not so bad in most cases but holding the button while turning the wheel 180 or more is rather tricky, not to mention the hold on the wheel and if you are using high FFB settings that it is hard to turn the wheel that far with one hand even without having to hold a button that is moving the whole time.

Reverse gear should be accessible from the shifter no matter which type of shifter you use, paddle, seq, gated as well as a neutral gear. While it is true that in a prefect world you would never have a reason to use reverse it is needed at times and it belongs on the shifter and you should still be able to throttle with the throttle rather than using a totally separate button.