Why, oh why PD? [warning: hater rant inside!]

Oyashiro-sama

Oyashiro-sama

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So here's my story: First of all I am a big GT fan (since GT2). I simply love it, and have been playing GT5 since it was released. When I like the game, I like to collect everything in it. It started bad already with the Camaro SS Edge and Toyota Camry Fantasy, only available for the US (of course they can also complain about UE exclusives). And now DLCs...

1. Why exclusivity? I dislike not being able to collect everything. I don't like to have more cars than another regions, nor have lesser cars than them. I think exclusives only irritates both parts! :ouch:

2. Now the DLCs. This is obvious a robbery scheme that game companies nowadays love so much. Companies like EA take it to the extreme, releasing day one DLCs. Talk about being greedy to the maximum! Because of that I STOPPED buying not only EA games but also from other companies too! Day one DLCs are so evil. Imagine GT5 with only 500 cars at release day, and a DLC on day one selling the other half of the 500 cars. This is obviously NOT RIGHT! :grumpy:

I loved the fact PD didn't have DLCs, but people wanted them so much. :banghead: They must love to spend money (probably the parent's money). If Spa was included on Spec 2.0 update, it wouldn't be so fun, uh? Don't get me wrong, I am not poor, but for my principles, I will not spend a cent to buy extra content (and also I don't like buying online). There are more DLCs coming on the way, so you guys better prepare yourselves to spend more money on DLCs than the amount you spent on the game itself. Worst yet, the previous DLC was very expensive for the contents (the cars are more of the same, the paints are sacred because you can't use them, and who wants more and suits/helmets?).

I like to support the companies that make the things I love (I even bought the signature edition), but not this way. I'd prefer they could release GT6 a couple of years shorter, than have to pay for extra stuff like this.

3. Then they complain about how the game industry is in crisis and about piracy. Unfortunately, the online/web-browser games and mobile devices video-games business is going up, and that also kills the game industry. But when game companies do everything to make me mad even I who always loved video-games get tired of this. I used to play a lot, but now I only bought a PS3 for GT5 and thats the only game I play. Some of my favorite games were ruined so that they can be more "mass-oriented" (remembering "Rainbow Six", just to name one) and/or using the previously mentioned DLC schemes...

I love GT5 and I will keep playing it. But I want to let PD know that they are getting me mad. Most stupid stuff they made:
1. DLCs/exclusivities
2. Fictional cars, especially Redbull X2010/2011, and Vettel Challenge.
3. B-Spec mode - oh so boring :yuck:
4. No fun A-Spec mode - not even bothering using restrictions... :dunce:
5. Races are too short, endurances are too long. 4x24hours races, 2x9h races, even with game saves, I am avoiding doing those...
6. Anti-skid recovery 👎

Simple things they could have done (just the very simple ones, excluding damage, etc...):
1. Profile status menu could have percentage of unique cars/paints/horns/museum cards/... acquired.
2. Start signal (traffic lights) on the track.
3. Skip GT-auto animations.
4. Correct the 6-stupid-points I mentioned earlier.

So that's it! I just want to alert people to this facts.
 
I'm sorry to say that you'll have to either deal with it or move on. It doesn't take a genius to discover GT5s flaws, just remember that there is an excellent game behind all that if you put in the effort.
I'm afraid complaining won't help one bit. Try out Forza if you feel GT5 is such a failure.
 
I hear what you are saying, but for me, at a little over £3.00, the track pack represented great value. The other stuff did not, I did not buy it. I'm sure more people would have only bought the track pack than only bought the car pack (if they didn't buy the whole lot). I want PD to see that releasing tracks at fair prices will be successful. I want more tracks.
 
All of what you've written here is your opinion. DLC can be a money-grabbing tool, of course. But done correctly, it will enhance the game. PD have done it properly, to a degree. I too am slightly annoyed that the cars in the car pack are basically RM models. But, Kaz has said that they will be in the dealership for DLC buyers by Christmas, so we will be able to use them and buy multiple of each car. Yes, it's not really what we were expecting (actual new model cars) but, as a complete package, the DLC wasn't badly priced.

Complaining about the X2010, the B-Spec mode, races too short, too long stuff is just all your opinion and what you don't like about the game. If you don't like GT5, fine... don't like it. Just because you liked previous versions of games, doesn't mean the next in the series is going to suit your tastes. Neither is it "your right" to have a game that suits you. PD made it how they made it. If you don't like it, well, that's your problem.
 
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at OP ... I see what your saying, but probably nothing will change because folks like me want DLC, concept cars and spec B etc.

On the other hand I would also like to see GT6 sooner. :)
 
I find it somewhat amusing how many people who have a problem with the concept of DLC, happily paid close to double for the signature edition.
 
Maybe you need to read up on the X2010 its not fictional its a Prototype made with the help of sebastian Vettel if there were no formula 1 limits and it was 20 seconds quicker around a track than a normal F1 car.
 
calico
Maybe you need to read up on the X2010 its not fictional its a Prototype made with the help of Adrian Newey if there were no formula 1 limits and it was 20 seconds quicker around a track than a normal F1 car.
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Fixed.

Seb Vettel just tested it in-game for a bit, and has his name on it. He did sod all really 👍
 
Dlc are already part of the videogames business, you can't do anything about it, it's the "future". Same about the exclusive things, business matter. Not PD fault here.
It was better a good and complete ps1-2 game, probably, but now it's totally a different concept so you can't expect something like that anymore.

I don't see it like evil money grabbing in the pd-gt case. I mean, not like in other extreme situation where you actually have to pay again for the other half of a game that it's already there on the disc.

Ps: i'm not a big lover of the dlc system etc, if you want to know. Gt it's the first and only game where i bought something. And just the tracks.
 
So you state you love gt,but at the end of your rant you list what you hate. You pretty much listed hatred for the whole game.....so what enjoyment do you get out of gt5 then?
 
So you're complaining about DLC which came out a year after the game launched because you like to collect things and think it's a robbery to have to buy more things to collect? :odd:
 
If you don't like DLC play Gran Turismo 4, DLC is the future its inevitable, you should consider yourself lucky that so much was included in Spec 2.0 for free.
 
I can see the reasons for being in each camp about DLC. If it was released 3 months after the game, then we'd cry foul/rippoff. When it showed up late people said where is the content. I think done right it increases playability until the next game's release. All I know is I have gotten way more than $60 worth of entertainment from GT5; so more $ doesn't bum me out too much. I've gotten about $5 worth of entertainment from F1'11; so GT5 doesn't look so bad.

I am buying just the Spa track pack. I'll never drive any of the DLC cars; so that isn't happening. And the paint/outfits do nothing for me. It's supply and demand.
 
I am professional Complainer. I complain on everyday basis.

Why? Why do you care? It is not your damn business. I have right to complain, I want to complain, I have nothing better to do than complain and I will complain as much as I can.

Why? I will answer you on this, because I stated that question, not you. I complain because I can. And you know what? You can't do anything about it. Nothing. Zero. YOU. ARE. POWERLESS.

I complain whenever I can, about whatever I can and for whatever I can. I do not give a damn care about reasoning or reasons that led to my complain, I complain because it is my professional duty and because I am entitled to it. I complain, complain and complain and there is nothing you can do about it.

I love to complain. My greatest complain is that is not enough things to complain. I mean, look at things from my perspective. I complain about anything and anywhere, do you even have an idea what a mammoth task that is? Do you even understand how much effort I have to put into it? OF COURSE YOU CAN'T. Because you're reasonable. Logical. You convinced yourself how there is a positive reason why you shouldn't complain and take things as they are.

Well, let me tell you something boy - THAT IS YOUR DAMN PROBLEM!

Instead of being rational and logical, you could stop doing such stupid rationalizations and start to complain. Instead of trying to find a positive in every negative, you could start to complain about the negative at the first place. Who on this GOd damn Earth even cares about positives with so many negatives around? HOW CAN YOU BE SO BLIND?

Oh, yeah, don't even start to think about starting that "constructive criticism" crap. Constructive criticism my butt! I despise those "constructive critiques" even more than I despise you. At least you have a decency to admit how you hate my complaints, but those "constructive" guys are just bunch of scary crybabies that fear for they status. They fear to say "Yeah, we are man! We admit - we are complainers!" They opted for that "constructive criticism" crap in hope they will be praised as people who are "objective".

OBJECTIVE MY BUTT!! There is no damn OBJECTIVE! You know what objective is? You want to know? I will tell you! OBJECTIVE IS THERE IS NO PERFECTION! And as long as there is no perfection, I will complain.

I swear to you, on this place, on the Holly Book of Justice Complaints, that i will complain forever and ever and there is no logical, nor objective, nor subjective reason I will ever, EVER stop complaining! Oh God, give me strength to fight all those so-called non-complainers, give me strength for writing down million of words of TRUTH they are so blind to see!

You can't beat me, you damn rationalists! You can explain anything to yourself, you can rationalize whatever you want, but for me - you're just a weak and blind insects feared to say what they really think! Admit, you are, right? Admit, come on. Ask yourself, ask yourself deep inside. Are you satisfied? Are you happy? Do you accept everything tossed at you with gratitude, just because you are entitled to be reasonable? Logical? Because you convinced yourself how there is a positive reason why you shouldn't complain and take things as they are? Come on. Admit it.

ADMIT IT, DAMN! YOU ARE WEAK. YOU ARE SMALL. YOU ARE PATHETIC. And you know that. But that is YOU. I am not like you. I am better. I AM COMPLAINER.

And you can complain about that as much as you damn like, all until the last part of this pathetic and imperfect planet disappears with every last Human on it. And trust me on this - oh, trust me boy - it will not happen because of me. It will happen because of YOU. Because you didn't complain enough.

And now - deal with it. While you complain about me complaining, I have to go and complain. At least I am aware about what I do. Phew!
 
Oyashiro-sama
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Listen mate, don't bother. You just get (as you'll see above) grief from unsympathetic people and a few comments from people like me who understand where you're coming from.

Personally I'm happy-ish with the DLC, as others have mentioned it's seemingly inevitable that games have it. If done right it can be ok.

I totaly agree about Rainbow 6 though!! I LOVE the originals on PC. Then it all went wrong with Vegas. I think Raven shield was the last good R6 game.
 
Haha... nice post, amar212 however it was so long I couldn't be bothared to carry on reading after the 1st line... 👍
 
I disagree on the fact that the DLC in GT5 is robbery. Unlike some of the obvious robbery ones from other games, the DLC for GT5 is most likely a post-release effort. When a developer puts some post-release effort on a content, do you not think they deserve to get paid to what they do? If you don't like the DLC, then you can simply not buy it, and maybe wait for a pack that you will like.

It's not robbery if they're not forcing you to buy it, especially if it's something you don't like and something that the majority of the community basically asked for.

Again, I agree with the Day 1, or even 1st week DLC for cars and tracks. That in my opinion, is robbery.
 
amar212
I am professional Complainer. I complain on everyday basis.

Why? Why do you care? It is not your damn business. I have right to complain, I want to complain, I have nothing better to do than complain and I will complain as much as I can.

Why? I will answer you on this, because I stated that question, not you. I complain because I can. And you know what? You can't do anything about it. Nothing. Zero. YOU. ARE. POWERLESS.

I complain whenever I can, about whatever I can and for whatever I can. I do not give a damn care about reasoning or reasons that led to my complain, I complain because it is my professional duty and because I am entitled to it. I complain, complain and complain and there is nothing you can do about it.

I love to complain. My greatest complain is that is not enough things to complain. I mean, look at things from my perspective. I complain about anything and anywhere, do you even have an idea what a mammoth task that is? Do you even understand how much effort I have to put into it? OF COURSE YOU CAN'T. Because you're reasonable. Logical. You convinced yourself how there is a positive reason why you shouldn't complain and take things as they are.

Well, let me tell you something boy - THAT IS YOUR DAMN PROBLEM!

Instead of being rational and logical, you could stop doing such stupid rationalizations and start to complain. Instead of trying to find a positive in every negative, you could start to complain about the negative at the first place. Who on this GOd damn Earth even cares about positives with so many negatives around? HOW CAN YOU BE SO BLIND?

Oh, yeah, don't even start to think about starting that "constructive criticism" crap. Constructive criticism my butt! I despise those "constructive critiques" even more than I despise you. At least you have a decency to admit how you hate my complaints, but those "constructive" guys are just bunch of scary crybabies that fear for they status. They fear to say "Yeah, we are man! We admit - we are complainers!" They opted for that "constructive criticism" crap in hope they will be praised as people who are "objective".

OBJECTIVE MY BUTT!! There is no damn OBJECTIVE! You know what objective is? You want to know? I will tell you! OBJECTIVE IS THERE IS NO PERFECTION! And as long as there is no perfection, I will complain.

I swear to you, on this place, on the Holly Book of Justice Complaints, that i will complain forever and ever and there is no logical, nor objective, nor subjective reason I will ever, EVER stop complaining! Oh God, give me strength to fight all those so-called non-complainers, give me strength for writing down million of words of TRUTH they are so blind to see!

You can't beat me, you damn rationalists! You can explain anything to yourself, you can rationalize whatever you want, but for me - you're just a weak and blind insects feared to say what they really think! Admit, you are, right? Admit, come on. Ask yourself, ask yourself deep inside. Are you satisfied? Are you happy? Do you accept everything tossed at you with gratitude, just because you are entitled to be reasonable? Logical? Because you convinced yourself how there is a positive reason why you shouldn't complain and take things as they are? Come on. Admit it.

ADMIT IT, DAMN! YOU ARE WEAK. YOU ARE SMALL. YOU ARE PATHETIC. And you know that. But that is YOU. I am not like you. I am better. I AM COMPLAINER.

And you can complain about that as much as you damn like, all until the last part of this pathetic and imperfect planet disappears with every last Human on it. And trust me on this - oh, trust me boy - it will not happen because of me. It will happen because of YOU. Because you didn't complain enough.

And now - deal with it. While you complain about me complaining, I have to go and complain. At least I am aware about what I do. Phew!
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I complain therefore I am.

You're welcome.
 
so you don't want to spend money in the things you like, and in which you have spent days of your life.

and sincerely, only a kid can complain about paying $12, especially in a game that costs more than $500 to play as it should be played.
Some people should really try other racing games and racing in real life, so they realize how great cost-wise GT5 is.
 
amar212
I am professional Complainer. I complain on everyday basis.

Why? Why do you care? It is not your damn business. I have right to complain, I want to complain, I have nothing better to do than complain and I will complain as much as I can (...)
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I don't see how DLC is robbery. You don't have to buy them if you don't want to spend money on them. It's not the game developers fault if you're a compulsive collector. I like DLC. It adds stuff. What more do you want :D I wanted Spa, the cars and the Stig suit. So this time I bought the entire pack. I don't need more suits and paints so I won't buy them unless they are free in the complete pack like now.

Your second point makes no sense to me. You don't have to use the X2010 or do the challenge if you don't want to.

I agree with you on B-spec. Don't see how this adds something to the game besides free credits from remote racing. Wish they spend the time developing that on other things. But like the former two you don't have to play B-spec if you don't want to.

A-spec mode is bad because of the AI. I hope they will keep improving this but you can always race online if you want a good race.

Races too short and endurances too long? That makes no sense to me. I'm glad not every race in Aspec was long. 30 laps or so of racing against the AI I mentioned before is not something I would like to do. The endurances resemble real races and you can save inbetween. And like all the other stuff: You don't have to do them if you don't want too. There is an online mode where you can do races and can decide how many laps you want on what track you want with what kind of cars you want to do it with.

Anti Skid recovery. You can turn it off in the settings menu. And online you can restrict other people from using it too.
 

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