Why you dont use AWD cars, and tires above comfort hard to drift

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Lock2Lock
Wow. Just wow.
Some of you guys that call yourself a part of the realistic drifting community and that constantly say "keep drifting fun" are some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen.
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Oh, I'm sorry for not being as allowing as you are. Doesn't mean I' ma hyprocrite.

Lock2Lock
I honestly cannot believe that this is even a argument anymore. What is the big deal if you drift something different than someone else? Who cares? Just because you are using a AWD car doesn't automatically change the word describing it. Drifting is drifting.
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Because the fact remains: 4WD will always be faster, and easier. The point of drifting, ultimately, is to tandem. If that is not the point of somebody, they shouldn't get in online lobbies. (Unless like me, you talk to much when drifting ;) )

Lock2Lock
I mean really? When is arguing this enough? Can't you practice what you preach and "keep drifting fun"? Or will you just continue being a hypocrite? Let them drift what they want, as long as they can control the car they are in what's the issue? Oh yeah, there isn't one except the one in your head.
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If people stop pointing out that CH / RWD is the way to go, new people on this forum will never care. Problem is, that out of the thousands of people online (probably more) there are only about 50, that can seriously drift an AWD car with skill. And that percentage, isn't enough for me to consider being lenient when it comes to lobby settings.

Lock2Lock
Not everything in a lobby needs to be regulated like it is in a formal competition.

Mind blowing how hypocritical some of you are being right now.
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Yes, lobbies need to be restricted as much as possible. FR, CH, 700hp. (With a good, and active host.) You don't need more.

For those people that wanna slide around in Subies and Evo's... That's fine. Do it offline, or do it in lobbies made for AWD.
 
Lock2Lock
I see plenty of people being one.

Sure, that will end your fun. However, if you are implying that every AWD drifter is the main cause of this, well you are sadly mistaken. I see it happen no matter the drive train.

Like I said before. ...
What is the problem with them drifting their car (even door to door with you) as long as they can control it? I fail to see the issue.
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And yes I've seen it happen with drivetrains other than 4wd also, just it's really rare.

Also I'm yet to see anyone anywhere in a 4wd sit on the door of a rwd and tandem cleanly if it has happened please show me.
 
@Gonales

Didn't totally direct that post at you by the way.

I still fail to see the issue. Drive trian doesn't matter when it comes to crappie drivers Dom. For as much as you get on to people for hitting you (no offense you know I love you haha), I really don't see any justification in your post.

And for the new people not knowing that FR cars and Comfort Hard tires are the main thing used in this drifting community.... well that was established from a OPINION on which tire would be best for tandeming in competitions held online. Doesn't mean everyone that does differently outside of competitions is automatically a noob for not following this.

I have about had it with all of these opinionated regulations on people who are actually the ones just trying to have fun and enjoy drifting for what it really is.


Hell I have hosted so many lobbies without regulations and just let people drift how they wanted (as long as they didn't hit anyone) and had absolutely no issue. The rooms were full of people who jusy were having fun. I don't know what has happened to this community over the past few years, but I think I am starting to not want to be apart of it if this is where it is going.

Really sad to see honestly
 
Lock2Lock
@Gonales

Didn't totally direct that post at you by the way.

I still fail to see the issue. Drive trian doesn't matter when it comes to crappie drivers Dom. For as much as you get on to people for hitting you (no offense you know I love you haha), I really don't see any justification in your post.

And for the new people not knowing that FR cars and Comfort Hard tires are the main thing used in this drifting community.... well that was established from a OPINION on which tire would be best for tandeming in competitions held online. Doesn't mean everyone that does differently outside of competitions is automatically a noob for not following this.

I have about had it with all of these opinionated regulations on people who are actually the ones just trying to have fun and enjoy drifting for what it really is.


Hell I have hosted so many lobbies without regulations and just let people drift how they wanted (as long as they didn't hit anyone) and had absolutely no issue. The rooms were full of people who jusy were having fun. I don't know what has happened to this community over the past few years, but I think I am starting to not want to be apart of it if this is where it is going.

Really sad to see honestly
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You really are making this sound worse than it is.
Im gonna say them lobbies were full of your friends or people who know you from here.
That's why nothing ever happened in your room.

Most of us just would like 4wd users to host their own lobbies so these mishaps don't occur. That's all.
 
JDM_Tuning_S3OZ
You really are making this sound worse than it is.
Im gonna say them lobbies were full of your friends or people who know you from here.
That's why nothing ever happened in your room.

Most of us just would like 4wd users to host their own lobbies so these mishaps don't occur. That's all.
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Not really. I am just tired of everything being under some opinionated regulation for no reason. Also tired of seeing people who claim to know what drifting is about and force regulations on people or try to tell them their opinions matter more than other's.

Sorry but I am not making this bigger than it is, just been watching this happen more and more has gotten on my nerves.
 
Lock2Lock
Not really. I am just tired of everything being under some opinionated regulation for no reason. Also tired of seeing people who claim to know what drifting is about and force regulations on people or try to tell them their opinions matter more than other's.

Sorry but I am not making this bigger than it is, just been watching this happen more and more has gotten on my nerves.
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I didn't know we forced you to stay in our rooms ?
Now I could be wrong but I do believe you do have the option to leave and make your own ?

When we set a room up it gives everyone a level playing field, whilst keeping it a lot funner.

I dunno if you drift in real life but if you've experienced a track day and you want to tandem but everyone's running incredibly grippier tyres than you.
It can get very boring and frustrating very quickly, having to allow cars to pass or they try and slide around the outside of you at twice your speed.
It's really not fun and sometimes quite dangerous.
 
JDM_Tuning_S3OZ
I didn't know we forced you to stay in our rooms ?
Now I could be wrong but I do believe you do have the option to leave and make your own ?

When we set a room up it gives everyone a level playing field, whilst keeping it a lot funner.

I dunno if you drift in real life but if you've experienced a track day and you want to tandem but everyone's running incredibly grippier tyres than you.
It can get very boring and frustrating very quickly, having to allow cars to pass or they try and slide around the outside of you at twice your speed.
It's really not fun and sometimes quite dangerous.
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You didn't force me to. But. I am in the mix with the same part of the drifting community you are in. So when you say "we" I am falling into that same category.

I really don't think it matters if I drift in real life, considering this is a video game. But to answer your question, I have.

Regardless to that answer what's your point? I have already said that I agree with the tire regulations. But I have seen many people who can control their car (talking about AWD) behind the traditional drift cars (talking about FR cars). Like I have said before, it isn't the cars it is the drivers.

Just please don't give me any BS about AWD cars not being able to drift just because the D1GP and FD handbooks don't allow them to enter competitions.
 
Lock2Lock
You didn't force me to. But. I am in the mix with the same part of the drifting community you are in. So when you say "we" I am falling into that same category.

I really don't think it matters if I drift in real life, considering this is a video game. But to answer your question, I have.

Regardless to that answer what's your point? I have already said that I agree with the tire regulations. But I have seen many people who can control their car (talking about AWD) behind the traditional drift cars (talking about FR cars). Like I have said before, it isn't the cars it is the drivers.

Just please don't give me any BS about AWD cars not being able to drift just because the D1GP and FD handbooks don't allow them to enter competitions.
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Can you give me a link to a video of the AWD tandeming with a RWD?

Only people with truly no knowledge of what drifting is all about refer back to information and rules from any of the world drift comps.
 
JDM_Tuning_S3OZ
Can you give me a link to a video of the AWD tandeming with a RWD?

Only people with truly no knowledge of what drifting is all about refer back to information and rules from any of the world drift comps.
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Haha why do you need a video? I am sure some of these guys defending the AWD cars would be kind enough to show you. Trust me it isn't that uncommon to see in some random lobbies. Me and some others used to see some guys even drifting in reverse staying door to door with others.

Also what is that last part supposed to mean?

Honestly I am about done with this subject. Like I said before it is all about opinions. That's all it will ever be.
 
Lock2Lock
Haha why do you need a video? I am sure some of these guys defending the AWD cars would be kind enough to show you. Trust me it isn't that uncommon to see in some random lobbies. Me and some others used to see some guys even drifting in reverse staying door to door with others.

Also what is that last part supposed to mean?

Honestly I am about done with this subject. Like I said before it is all about opinions. That's all it will ever be.
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I just wanted to see someone going the same speed as a rwd with the same angle while hitting the clipping points.

The last part was meant to mean, I'm not gonna try and use a typical fanboy excuse to bring up FD or D1GP rules to try and explain something over a game.
 
JDM_Tuning_S3OZ
I just wanted to see someone going the same speed as a rwd with the same angle while hitting the clipping points.

The last part was meant to mean, I'm not gonna try and use a typical fanboy excuse to bring up FD or D1GP rules to try and explain something over a game.
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It is possible. But the people I have seen that can are running their setups closer to a RWD car (10/90 torque split for example).


And good, that's all I wanting to hear. At least you aren't one of those
 
Lock2Lock
It is possible. But the people I have seen that can are running their setups closer to a RWD car (10/90 torque split for example).

And good, that's all I wanting to hear. At least you aren't one of those
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Oh yeah 10/90 of coarse lol.
:dunce: (duhh moment haha),
I was thinking about something closer to 30/70 or 40/60.

See them settings a lot, anyway
I don't think people should make these threads anymore or maybe the Mods could just not allow them, it seems too split up drifters way too much and just cause pointless cr*p
 
This thread needs to be shutdown this happened with gt5 as well you need to remember when you open a lobby your open to the whole world not just gtp carrying on on gtp isn't going to change a thing.
 
Yo, I could get the same angle as my Aristo and hit the cp's on the Streets of Willows VDC section with my Mazda CX-5 concept without any problem lol. 30-70 split... FTW
 
The problem isn't people being able too do what they want or slide what they want. Its about people 4wheel power sliding awd cars calling it drifting when its not. Its about the guy who is constantly bumping everyone else off there line but then claiming its because everyone else suck is in the way or slow. When the reality is your tires make you fast. Its about keeping the drift community more equal and keeping the BS down in lobby's because of the harsh line awd users take it becomes disruptive to the rest of the lobby with the uncontrolled aggressiveness. If people want to slide awd let them but too be less disruptive awd players should stay out of FR lobby's or stop complaining because of the "TRADITION" drifter's wont change lobby rules to suit there lower skill level. This topic was about why you shouldn't, not why you cant. But to drift you don't need awd you choose to use awd because it suits yourself not because a rwd car is not driftable. And as I said before you don't need awd too drift. Any thing anybody has to say otherwise is a excuse. As far as tires go CH have the less grip and take more skill to control, and it shouldn't matter if its a comp or not using the same tire as everyone else puts you on a equal grip level. Just because you have a faster drift car because you use Sport tires over someone who uses CH doesn't make you better your tires have more grip so of course its faster. The more grip you have from a better tire the more likely the tire is part of your skill level. As a CH tire is all skill. If I had my way it would be a drift specific tire, but PD didn't think of that for whatever reasons. And this thread is not a debate. I gave a true explaination. People can choose to take this info into account or disregard it.
 
Takes more skill to drift a grippier compound to be honest. But yeah I agree with you on most things mentioned.

4WD drift still fun sideway
 
Mr Shakotan
As far as tires go CH have the less grip and take more skill to control, and it shouldn't matter if its a comp or not using the same tire as everyone else puts you on a equal grip level. Just because you have a faster drift car because you use Sport tires over someone who uses CH doesn't make you better your tires have more grip so of course its faster. The more grip you have from a better tire the more likely the tire is part of your skill level. As a CH tire is all skill. If I had my way it would be a drift specific tire, but PD didn't think of that for whatever reasons. And this thread is not a debate. I gave a true explaination. People can choose to take this info into account or disregard it.
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LMFAO this is so wrong on so many levels.
1. CH tires have less grip which makes them easier to drift which is why it is the chosen tire of the community nothing to do with skill.

2.Softer tire compound means more grip which means in a high speed drift 10x more steering input than CH anyone who uses a wheel will back this up hence the constant snap back if you don't correct or adjust quick enough. So yes to control this requires more skill;).

3. you assume just because you have better tires means that the tire is doing most of the work and not the driver or the tire is part of your skill level :confused:.

I prefer to use CS personally for my style of drifting its what I've found to have the right level of grip and slip FOR ME. I just wish the community would also try different compounds maybe if they gave it a bit more of a go and stuck at it and pushed through the barriers they might like what they try instead of doing the obvious and slapping on CH tires and sliding around on ICE sorry what you call skill:lol:. Higher tire compound would mean the gt drift scene would be evolving, faster drifting, higher skill to tandem CLOSELY and more control of there cars with better throttle response.

I don't mean to offend anyone I just cant understand how someone can think that a tire compound that will slide at a tap of the brakes requires more skill than a softer compound that requires a lot more effort to keep in a drift I mean an actual drift not power slide.
 
DrifTa-AJV
LMFAO this is so wrong on so many levels.
1. CH tires have less grip which makes them easier to drift which is why it is the chosen tire of the community nothing to do with skill.

2.Softer tire compound means more grip which means in a high speed drift 10x more steering input than CH anyone who uses a wheel will back this up hence the constant snap back if you don't correct or adjust quick enough. So yes to control this requires more skill;).

3. you assume just because you have better tires means that the tire is doing most of the work and not the driver or the tire is part of your skill level :confused:.

I prefer to use CS personally for my style of drifting its what I've found to have the right level of grip and slip FOR ME. I just wish the community would also try different compounds maybe if they gave it a bit more of a go and stuck at it and pushed through the barriers they might like what they try instead of doing the obvious and slapping on CH tires and sliding around on ICE sorry what you call skill:lol:. Higher tire compound would mean the gt drift scene would be evolving, faster drifting, higher skill to tandem CLOSELY and more control of there cars with better throttle response.

I don't mean to offend anyone I just cant understand how someone can think that a tire compound that will slide at a tap of the brakes requires more skill than a softer compound that requires a lot more effort to keep in a drift I mean an actual drift not power slide.
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What suspension settings do you use that it makes it feel like sliding around on ice ?

I use ch's all the time and when I want I'm quicker than all the people that I've drifted with that use anything up to sm's. It's not about your tyres, it's all in your car setup working with your own personal driving style.

I don't think drifting is about speed, alot of people who watch FD have been brainwashed to believe speed is the most important factor while drifting now.

It really isn't harder to drift with a softer compound, it's just better if everyone uses a tyre that's a more tandem friendly.

I'm not having a go at you to say you can't use a different compound, the reason this lobby was made I presume is to try and get 4wd and non comfort hard users to have their own lobbies and don't join traditional rwd, comfort hard only lobbies.
 
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