Why you should vote for Bush...

[Pako]

First off, this is not a flame thread, instead, I would hope that it were a "Validate the Facts" thread. I just received this email and thought it was, well interesting. Very odd that I would get "SPAM" email supporting the "NON-Bush" campaign. Anyways, how much of this is true and in context?

GEORGE W. BUSH <juccpf@mn.com>
More options 4:46am (3½ hours ago)

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004


EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION

Law Enforcement:
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pleaded guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

Military:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

College:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was
a cheerleader.


PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.

I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.

With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.


ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:

I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.


ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:

I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with
a criminal record.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of *over one billion dollars per week*.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.

In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S. President.

I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

One of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.

My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than
any President in U.S. history.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in wartime.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans
(71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

During the Iraq War and Occupation thousands of American troops were injured and killed. I did not have the time to attend any of the funerals for our fallen soldiers but I did have the time to attend more than 43 fundraising events of the Republican party.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

 

[Danoff]

I’ll start from the bottom and work my way up. Hopefully others will assist.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Is this different from other presidents? Is this bad? National security is at stake.

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

Is this bad? Is it different from other governors? If a regular Joe were investigated for insider trading (as many politicians probably are while people look for dirt) wouldn’t regular Joe’s records be sealed in secrecy? I don’t think the public has a right to know much of that. Look at the Kobe Bryant case and how much of that is kept in secrecy. Again, how different is this from other cases?

I did not have the time to attend any of the funerals for our fallen soldiers but I did have the time to attend more than 43 fundraising events of the Republican party.

I’m pretty sure this one is just not true. I don’t think Bush has ever claimed that he didn’t have time – or that if he did, he didn’t have time to attend all, rather than any. I’m pretty sure that this does not differ from other Presidents during war time. I think part of the motivation is that if you attend one, you offend those that you don’t attend. He has attended memorial services.

During the Iraq War and Occupation thousands of American troops were injured and killed.

Everyone knows this and many people support the cause.

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

He may be dead, we aren’t sure. Doctors have said that the guy couldn’t have survived his medical problems without some kind of intense care the he couldn’t have gotten while holed up in the mountains of Afghanistan. If he is alive, I’m sure we’re after him.

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

WMD’s are ok for countries that don’t support terrorism and who haven’t signed an agreement not to have them. In fact, I would argue that it is a sovereign nation’s right to have them.

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

Who cares? This view is obviously way off the mark and I doubt its truthfulness.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

I (like many of you) watched the State of the Union Address and know damn well that he did not lie about our reasons and did not blame any lies on Britain. This is totally factually incorrect.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in wartime.

This might be legitimate a legitimate criticism. I’d have to check into it further. This doesn’t really bother me though so I’m not going to.

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

“Unprovoked” is an interesting word here. Saddam blatantly defied a decade of UN resolutions. Most people agree that in a post 9/11 world we have to look things quite differently. I don’t think it was ever right to let nations off the hook of their obligations, certainly not after 9/11. It was also not against the will of the UN. The UN’s will was not to send it troops, not to prevent sending in troops. I know this is a very picky detail and that many of you won’t see the difference, but it’s important.

I’ll leave the rest of later (or someone else). The next one is easy…

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Its a hard read with no paragraphs and I couldn't read it all...but first, I've got no sympathy for DUI, but does he drive now..I doubt it.

I'll try a couple.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.

The great depression of 1929 22.2% wiped off stock market.
The Crash of 1987 22.6% lost. $500 billion in one day...this is the biggest crash
And of course the more recent dot.com crash in 2000 (Nasdaq lost 78%) to name but a few.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

Well..over here Tony Blair has managed to escape alot of the responsibilty by blaiming the US intelligence services, especially the CIA, as did Bush. He can only react to the intelligence reports he is given.

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

I think that poll must have been done in the "I hate America Monthly" magazine...if I asked the right four people, I could easily get a 100% stat.

Ok there are some dodgy things in there, like the rich will always treat the rich well etc. Bush's policy on pollution is one of the reason the US didn't have to reduce their economy by a staggering 50% if they had followed the advice from the Earth sumit on global warming and pollution. The oil producers would have seen crippling losses overnight, not such a bad thing that your president would want to protect the economy.

Edit: On the not attending funerals issue, this is true, Bush has not been to any. But aren't funerals the private affairs of the families. I don't recall any president attending an individual soldiers funeral, they attend memorial services to pay tribute to them all, not individuals. Also, would it be fair to disrupt a private moment of grief by invading it with the type of security precautions you need for a presidential visit?

 

[Danoff]

Continuing to chip away at the mountain…

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

Yawn. That doesn’t mean he’s wrong and they’re right. Though this is a legitimate criticism of his administrations communication.

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

First of all he did not “garner” sympathy for the U.S. It really had nothing to do with him and everything to do with the attacks. Is America the most hated country in the world right now? Can I see the poll? Is that what diplomacy is about? Being popular? I thought it was about getting your way. The fact of the matter is that America should sacrifice diplomacy to do what is best to protect ourselves. Maybe that meant pissing off Hitler sympathizers during WWII, maybe it meant pissing off tons and tons of people during Vietnam, but if it’s the right thing to do for national security then so be it. Actually diplomatically speaking I think we have a much stronger hand now that we’ve made good on our promise to remove Saddam from power if he didn’t get cozy with the terms laid on him.

After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

“Taking off” interesting. I’m sure it wasn’t just vacationing. Presiding over the worst security failure in history does not imply fault. If anything it’s really the Clinton administration’s fault for setting up our security the way it was when Bush took office. The government doesn’t move quickly. However, I don’t think Bush was moving to correct matters. The truth is that we were all surprised, Bush, Clinton, you and me were all surprised by the terrorist attack. But no tolerable amount of defense could have prevented something like that from happening. We live in a free country and that’s the risk we run. The best defense while preserving civil liberties is a good offense.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period.

I assume there is an implied “among US presidents” in there somewhere. I’d like to see the proof behind this statement.

I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

…which is the reason for the protests and anger about the war. This really is a legitimate criticism.

I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

Is it the only time in US history that UN election inspectors tried to get involved?? It was a rather odd election and we went through a big mess to sort it out. We needed to get it sorted out and move on quickly.

I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

Yawn. If the UN doesn’t like it they can pass another resolution.

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

Sounded like he had good reason for it too.

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

Was this somehow caused by him? Is this something we want to be part of?

I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

I really really really doubt this. But it comes at a time when there are more international treaties than ever before in U.S. history.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

He’s trying to prevent a future 9/11… a noble cause - though this may be a legitimate criticism.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

So convicted criminals can’t be part of the administration? Is this part of the punishment when you break a law? Is this a problem? Are these people stealing from the White House? Are they not qualified? How many criminals is it? 1? 2? 16? What were they convicted of? How serious was the crime? What the hell can you get out of this statement??

I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

What’s wrong with that?

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

He also presided over a major terrorist attack and during a time when our gulf got pounded by was it 4 hurricanes? Whatever, it’s not something he should control in any way shape or form.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

That’s just a good thing (that he didn’t intervene).

More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

Not something that the president has any control of over or really should get involved with. This one is dumb.

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.

How exactly? Was it justified? Just because Enron was guilty of one thing doesn’t mean they were guilty of everything.

More later. The next one is cake….

 

[TwinTurboJay]

Why you should vote for bush ??

Because 'shaved' is just a fad...*ahem*

 

[Klostrophobic]

I don't know if I'm voting for Bush, but I'm certainly voting against Kerry.

It really sucks when you're almost forced to not vote for someone, but to vote against someone else. I know I could vote for a third-party candidate, but it seems like a waste of a vote. It's a vote I could use to vote against Kerry.

 

[LoudMusic]

I don't know if I'm voting for Bush, but I'm certainly voting against Kerry.

It really sucks when you're almost forced to not vote for someone, but to vote against someone else. I know I could vote for a third-party candidate, but it seems like a waste of a vote. It's a vote I could use to vote against Kerry.

Dude, you should see a thread in my private forum that my friends and I use. Here's a snip ...

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yeah don't waste your vote. i think most of us understand what you were talking about in regards to bush. you don't want more of that. so even though kerry is no savior, he's better than that. he has to be. and a vote for nader, as idealistic as it is, isn't going to change the world. but it's better to use your right to vote even if you don't completely believe in the candidate. by not voting, you have no right to complain about what happens afterwards.

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Voting for Bush would be, I think most of us agree, a negative vote. Like voting for a kick in the head. Wee!

Voting for Kerry is like voting for door number two, when you haven't been told what's behind any doors.

Voting for Nader, however, at least says "I don't like my options, look how many of us there are." And let me tell you, I was surprised by the numbers I saw yesterday on Nader. I believe he's up to three or four percent of the nation. That's like two average sized states unanimously saying they don't want to be part of the US anymore. Can you imagine ... Georgia, "Ah, **** you guys.", Florida, "Sounds good to me!" And afterwords three or four percent of the rest of the nation moves there.

I think voting not for Bush or Kerry says quite a lot. Don't pick Kerry just because you don't want Bush and think your vote won't matter if you don't vote for a winner.

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I understand the whole argument for "not wasting your vote," but if you honestly don't agree with either of the big two and vote for one of them anyway, you're wasting your vote too. Your vote will be just another of the millions cast alongside a bunch of baby boomers, and politicians can't distinguish your political leanings from those of someone not at all like you. If enough people didn't play the "don't waste your vote" game, it would become obvious post-election how many people place prime importance on other issues, and maybe the "big two" would actually start to pay attention to those issues. If you vote for Kerry just to get rid of Bush, you will get just what you deserve.

If 10 million people actually voted for Mickey Mouse, you can be sure the advisors of the big presidency-hopeful politicians will suggest government subsidation of Disney World vacations, or a government takeover of the Magic Kingdom. Or something. Not that that makes any sense but you get my point.

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On the contrary, both the right to disent and the right to vote or not vote as I choose are guaranteed to me. You even have the right to attempt to dictate my rights to me, apparently. If my rights suddenly disappear, you may expect to find me either in another country, or deep in the woods with all the other gun owners planning to take back the power by force of arms and the spilling of blood.

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i'm not saying everyone should have to vote. it is a choice. however, you're never going to have the perfect candidate. usually the most you can hope for is that you'll basically agree with their platform and have reason to hope for the best. it just seems obvious that if one candidate has already proven they can't do it well, and another will never get elected, then you take the route than will at least improve things a little. it's better than just sitting back and leaving that decision up to everyone else.

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Aaaahhh, I see your point. If you don't vote for Kerry and everyone else elects Bush, you're back to being screwed for another four years.

Stragedy my friends. Stragedy.

I guess that's why we have campaign commissions and signs in yards and such. To quietly sit by and place your vote without discussion is pretty freaking worthless. Tell everyone what you think, support it well, and hope for the best.

And have your passport and / or weapon of choice ready to go (:

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I'm not that interested in voting theory, but I see what you mean. One of the recent political interviews on /. mentioned "instant runoff voting" which would allow you to vote for a third party, but when they are clearly in the minority (and eliminated), your vote can then count for someone else. I.e. you could vote libertarian, democrat, then republican in that order.

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It may be a strategy, but it's a short-term one. Like I said before, the politicians can't tell you were just voting for a major candidate because you felt you "had" to. Voting third party virtually guarantees an insignificant vote in the current election; generally you do it to affect the next election w/r/t issues, platforms, candidates... Of course you can see that hardly anyone thinks that far out.

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I've been going back and forth on where to cast my vote. Bush has been out for the beginning, for many reasons, but I really don't like Kerry either. I say that if everyone who wanted to vote third party did it, we wouldn't be throwing away our votes. I believe a significant portion of this country truly wants to vote third party, and if they all did, it would have a huge impact on the politics of this country and how campaign funding is divided.

However, knowing that people will continue to follow the "lesser of two evils" doctrine, this election I have decided it's more important to get the President out of office than let his administration have another four years to screw things up. I don't know that Kerry will do better, but I honestly believe he can't be any worse. I don't know if he will be able to fulfill his campaign promises icon_rolleyes.gif , but if he can it would actually benefit me.

I'll feel much more comfortable voting for another candidate when there's already someone I can live with in office.

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I go back to, just because you're not voting for the winner doesn't mean your vote is wasted. Voting for a third party, or a fourth / fifth / sixth ... , still shows that there are people not happy with the options. Don't vote to keep one man out of office - vote to send a message.

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The names have been removed to protect the innocent ... because the government isn't doing a good job of that.

 

[ledhed]

I am voting for Bush despite the fact that I'm pissed at the lack of proffesionalism that surrounds the whole WOMD situation. bush came to office and I really did not expect much. few Presidents in the history of this country have had to deal with our country being attacked. This to me is the crucible on wich he must be judged. His responce was to eliminate the Taliban and almost destroy the Al Queda organization that attacked us. Afghanistan although still a troubled country will be having free elections and seems be on a good path. He removed Saddam Hussien a continuing threat and an avowed enemy of the USA with minimal casualties. The US military is a proffesional and proud force to be reconed with and counties who have sworn to be our enemy are on notice. iraq is a free country on the road to democratic elections. The economy is growing slowly ( Clinton left us in reccession ) . I REALLY ENJOYED MY TAX CUT ( I am far from rich ). I like the fact that he wont depend on France to help us, to me that shows good sense. I like the fact he depends on the British to be our friends, that to shows good sense. I like the fact that he sticks to his guns and his beliefs without wavering in the face of shifting politics. The man has proven to be a leader by his actions in office. The other guy has proven to be an invertabrate. The difference between the two major candidates are as clear as north and south. I will sleep alot better with Bush in the white house.

 

[cardude2004]

Vote Bush!, is all I have to say.

 

[LoudMusic]

Watch Fahrenheit 9/11! is all I have to say.

Seriously, if you want improvement in this nation, voting for our 'big two' is not a good idea. Don't stand for their bull **** morals.

 

[ledhed]

Yep..we should rely on a fat discredited propaganda seller to tell us how to vote. AND we should always believe everything thats in the movies because its true you KNOW and besides they wouldnt put it there if it wasn't. I gotta go my death star is waiting. LUKE I am your father ....

 

[Anderton Prime]

WMD’s are ok for countries that don’t support terrorism and who haven’t signed an agreement not to have them. In fact, I would argue that it is a sovereign nation’s right to have them.

You can't try to disarm "terrorist" countries of their nuclear weapons when you are working on a new, even more devastating version. America is supposed to be an example for the world...

danoff, if you want to offer criticism that anyone's going to actually listen to, you can't say you "don't care" about a point which may be valid. Comment on the good and the bad, the invalid and the valid.

 

[ShobThaBob]

I am by no means a bush supporter, but whatever he 'accomplished' as Governor of Texas is an absolute joke. Our governor has very little power compared to governors of other states, and for the most part, he is just there as a figurehead.

 

[Goomba]

Watch Fahrenheit 9/11! is all I have to say.

Seriously, if you want improvement in this nation, voting for our 'big two' is not a good idea. Don't stand for their bull **** morals.

I enjoyed Moore's movie, but I wouldn't say it would play much of a roll when I decide to cast my vote. The movie was fun to watch, but from Moore was out to get Bush from the first second of filming, and is set out to make all of his viewers feel the same way.

Whats wrong with voting for the primary parties? If someone believes in either of these candidates, there is no problem to vote for that candidate.

 

[Solid Fro]

You can't try to disarm "terrorist" countries of their nuclear weapons when you are working on a new, even more devastating version. America is supposed to be an example for the world...

Anderton would rather use spitballs to destroy terrorists.

If anyone wants to watch a factual documentary, go see Fahrenhype 9/11.

 

[ledhed]

if we expect the rest of the world to stop developing nukes then we are being stupid if WE do it. We do not NEED a new nuke. we can do the job with conventional stuff. it may be harder but in the long run we are better off. I'd like to stuff that bunker buster up the sponsors butt and set it off.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

You can't try to disarm "terrorist" countries of their nuclear weapons when you are working on a new, even more devastating version.

Not "terrorist" countries, but countries that harbour terrorists, slight difference. No one is saying that any particular country is made up entirely of terrorists.
State sponsored terrorism is a new threat (In the UK we have lived under the shadow of terrorism since 1916, but this new type is on a far larger scale, and far more dangerous) Governments that support and fund illegal organizations should either be disbanded or disarmed.

As for US developing new nuclear weapons, I'm not sure how true that is...they have plenty already. Over 10,000 warheads. They converted their B52 fleet to drop conventional bombs and the cruise missiles were originally designed to be nuclear, at great cost their warheads were replaced. Weapon advancement is in the accuracy area, no other military has spent so much on developing "smart" bombs. If you want to talk about weapons, then have a look at NATO's arsenal. We still use cluster bombs which are banned under the Geneva convention, they are inaccurate and designed to kill people, not destroy buildings.

Also if the poll in the email is true about US being the most hated country in the world, then don't be surprised if they start stock piling on those nukes in order to defend themselves

Canada disarmed themselves in 1984, and have not had nuclear weapons since (Apparently, as they certainly have the technology), so good on you guys. But don't think for one second that a fanatical terrorist can distinguish between a Canadian or a US citizen.

Example: Recently a British worker was kidnapped and a ransom put out...it turns out that he was Irish, they took no part in the Iraq war and demonstrated against it. His family broadcast an emotional plea to release him...this week he was beheaded.

America is supposed to be an example for the world...

Since when?

btw Anderton, I see you did buy that cloak, looking good in your avatar

 

[Anderton Prime]

Not "terrorist" countries, but countries that harbour terrorists, slight difference. No one is saying that any particular country is made up entirely of terrorists.

That's what I meant, but "Countries that support terrorists and/or terrorism" would take too long to type, and it's almost time to go to bed!

btw Anderton, I see you did buy that cloak, looking good in your avatar

Yup, so far no beatings (yet)...fingers crossed!

 

[cardude2004]

Why should we believe a movie. It was just created by some democrat, and it is his idea or view of what is going on. If Kerry would get into office he would do nothing. He would sit there with a butter knife ready to get the terrorists and watch them fly over the White House.

 

[Danoff]

You can't try to disarm "terrorist" countries of their nuclear weapons when you are working on a new, even more devastating version. America is supposed to be an example for the world...

You can't? Why not? That's like saying you can't prevent convicted criminals of owning guns while allowing people who haven't been convicted of crimes to own them.

danoff, if you want to offer criticism that anyone's going to actually listen to, you can't say you "don't care" about a point which may be valid. Comment on the good and the bad, the invalid and the valid.

What I meant by valid was that it may be true. It may be a real issue. It just happens to be a real issue I don't feel strongly about. I meant that it was a statement that might be correct if taken at face value. That's all. As you can see from my list I don't always agree with Bush. Hell I'm not even a Republican. But I do think most of this list is total BS.

 

[Danoff]

Still picking away…

My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

I bought Microsoft products and they were involved in a huge anti-trust case. Does that make me bad? I owned Firestone tires and their tires were linked to people dying, I don’t consider myself implicated. I’m sure they wouldn’t use Enron jets now that they know what Enron has done.

“Assure my success” with the U.S. Supreme court… is this real? Did bush really “assure” his success there? Which justices were bribed / coerced??? Name them specifically. Which supreme court justices exactly are guilty of corruption?

One of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.

Trying hard to implicate Bush in Enron eh? Kenneth Lay is one of Bush’s “best friends”? That’s definitely a link that can be substantiated – and one that certainly implies that Bush is guilty for Enron’s doings.

I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

Good job. Maybe the corporations of America realize which candidate will be better for the economy.

I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S. President.

I’m sure there’s a loose definition of fundraising trip here somewhere, but this really don’t bother me that much. How many trips? How much is the record set by? 1 trip? 2? 6000?

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

Condi rules! I hope she runs for pres in 4 years!

In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

In his first year of office he could barely have passed an economic policy, let alone see its long term effects. This is the direct result of the direct of the economy prior to his taking office.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.

Like Bush does or should have anything to do with the stock market. See the answer above.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

Which 12 month period? We’re also setting records for home ownership so I’m not surprised that we set records for foreclosures. Is it a record in terms of percentage or number.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

Which 12 month period? How much was the record set by? Is this linked to the inherited recession?

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

Valid criticism. The only defense against this is that he pretty much had to run a deficit to win the war on terror. I personally don’t think the deficit should be nearly as high as it is though.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

There was no surplus, there was a projected surplus. It occurred because taxes were too high. That’s what surplus means, taxes are too high. We’re taxing even more than the astronomical amount we’re spending. IT’S NO WONDER THAT WE ENDED UP IN A RECESSION AFTER THAT KIND OF TAX POLICY! Our economy would kick so much more ass if we’d quit trying to get the government to do everything.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of *over one billion dollars per week*.

Countries that should have been invaded and occupied. I think if we can do the job right this will have been a big step in the right direction w.r.t. terrorism.

I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

Clinton didn’t inhale right? The American people don’t seem to think this matters. I do though, I don’t know why the Republicans think this is their best guy. He’s not a bad guy but I’m not happy with the fact that he has a criminal record and I’m not happy with quite a few of his policies. This is a valid criticism. It certainly isn’t enough to keep me from voting for him though.


Yay I finished with the accomplishments section! More later.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

One more thing UK financial economists have said that the UK will be better off economically if Kerry is president, because he proposes to reduce tariffs on imports, and better trade deals with Europe...so...
If you want a strong US economy, vote Bush, if you want to share your good fortune with Europe..vote Kerry...we'll be happy, but you may suffer

 

[Carl.]

One more thing UK financial economists have said that the UK will be better off economically if Kerry is president, because he proposes to reduce tariffs on imports, and better trade deals with Europe...so...
If you want a strong US economy, vote Bush, if you want to share your good fortune with Europe..vote Kerry...we'll be happy, but you may suffer

I don't think duties that are set to artificially protect national industries are something good. It keeps market prices artificially high, and in the end the consumers are paying the bills, they're kept away from making the best deal.

I'd be quite surprised if Danoff would not agree with this.

 

[Danoff]

I don't think duties that are set to artificially protect national industries are something good. It keeps market prices artificially high, and in the end the consumers are paying the bills, they're kept away from making the best deal.

I'd be quite surprised if Danoff would not agree with this.

I'm with you jp. The US should eliminate tariffs regardless of what other countries are doing. However, Bush hasn't been too bad with tariffs. He could be better but other presidents have been worse.

 

[TheCracker]

Quote:
I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.


Who cares? This view is obviously way off the mark and I doubt its truthfulness.

This is exactly the sort of narrow minded answer that only fuels the percentage, which i'm frankly suprised is so low!

 

[TheCracker]

Clinton didn’t inhale right? The American people don’t seem to think this matters. I do though, I don’t know why the Republicans think this is their best guy. He’s not a bad guy but I’m not happy with the fact that he has a criminal record and I’m not happy with quite a few of his policies. This is a valid criticism. It certainly isn’t enough to keep me from voting for him though.

Its not the fact that he has a criminal record, its should be more the fact that if he was twice as inteligent as he is - he would be considered a retard.

 

[TheCracker]

I will sleep alot better with Bush in the white house.

...and the rest of the world will sleep easier once he is out.

 

[TheCracker]

Ok there are some dodgy things in there, like the rich will always treat the rich well etc. Bush's policy on pollution is one of the reason the US didn't have to reduce their economy by a staggering 50% if they had followed the advice from the Earth sumit on global warming and pollution. The oil producers would have seen crippling losses overnight, not such a bad thing that your president would want to protect the economy.

Tacet_Blue - are you really british?

- have you not seen the results of Global Warming in the past few months?

- do you really want the 'gulf-stream' to stop - resulting in britain becoming almost Arctic?

- do you not care whether your children or grandchildren inherit a world that is habitable?

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Tacet_Blue - are you really british?

- have you not seen the results of Global Warming in the past few months?

- do you really want the 'gulf-stream' to stop - resulting in britain becoming almost Arctic?

- do you not care whether your children or grandchildren inherit a world that is habitable?

Yes I'm British and proud
Do you think this weather (btw its raining) is the result of Global warming, or just a natural 50 year weather cycle. Most experts these days now believe that the claims of Global Warming had been exadurated(sp?) The only fact to come out of the summit was the hole in the Ozone layer over New Zealand. Most people can't agree now if there will be global warming coming up, throwing UK into a Mediterranean climate, melting ice caps and causing flooding...or if there is in actual fact another ice age on its way...

Edit: Cracker you are allowed to use the edit button

 

[TheCracker]

Edit: Cracker you are allowed to use the edit button

I know, i just choose to ignore it

As for Global Warming - don't you thinks its a little short-sighted to just ignore its possibility? - It will be too late, and the world will be ****ed for good once there is enough evidence to change the minds of all the doubters!!

What have we got to loose by doing something about it now? - the worlds energy companies don't make the huge profits their shareholders want? - i'll shed few tears over that!