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1: this is dumb
2: Safety is more important then looks at the end of the day.
The drivers should walk. It's even safer and slower. They should just sit at home in the fetal position hoping the big bad world goes away
1: this is dumb
2: Safety is more important then looks at the end of the day.
The Halo ruling has no bearing on my above statement btw, anything that makes open cockpit cars safer is a welcome thing, surely?
Problem is, the "Safety" part is façade to conceal the FIA doing whatever the hell they want.
This is F1 that is unlikely.If the racing's good, nobody will care.
This is F1 that is unlikely.
That's not the problem - the problem is one of litigation. The FIA are asked to provide and ratify rules and specifications for a given racing series. On the back of that ratification and policing circuits can then get insurance to hold events. No safety ratification, no insurance. No insurance, no venues/teams/business.
What happens if the FIA ignore a valid head protection device and a driver is killed during the 2018 season in an incident that could plainly have been prevented by the halo? I hate the halo as much as you do (I think) but just blaming the FIA and saying "they do whatever the hell they want" demonstrates, in my opinion, a lack of understanding of what it takes to make such a dangerous occupation legally viable in this day and age.
There's an ongoing rumour that one of the reasons Manor wound down was to clear the potential for liability after the deaths of two of their drivers in F1 cars - in both cases there were serious questions asked about the two-foot safety mechanisms on the cars. This whole halo issue comes down to liability too - did you provide a working safety system when one was clearly available?
Then the halo buys that time. The halo means something is in place while everyone sorts out the issues with the more preferred options. There doesn't have to be nothing while everyone works on sorting out the shield, which is an eventuality, not an if. People need to see the halo for what it is. A temporary fix for a long term goal.Yes, a lot of my hate did come from being under the impression that the FIA basically just blew off what was a unanimous vote by other teams and did it anyways, but it also stems from me feeling that its not much safe. it might be safer then nothing, but I honestly feel it could possibly be worse then nothing due to it being rushed and I feel the last thing you want to rush is something that is supposed to save lives. I'm not against safety or protecting the drivers (believe me, I'd like not to re-experience watching that incident again or anything similar) and I don't claim to be a safety expert, I just don't think the HALO is the answer. The Aeroscreen I thought seemed better for extraction and protection (though admittingly I do feel its slightly cumbersome) and the recent Shield Ferrari tested seemed like it has potential (if only there was some bracing to strengthen it along with refining the visibility so drivers don't feel dizzy), but I'm not convinced the Halo is it.
Indycar and Dallara are working on a shield now. http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/143039-fall-winter-tests-targeted-for-indycar-aeroscreenThen the halo buys that time. The halo means something is in place while everyone sorts out the issues with the more preferred options. There doesn't have to be nothing while everyone works on sorting out the shield, which is an eventuality, not an if. People need to see the halo for what it is. A temporary fix for a long term goal.
Ignoring and neglecting the opinion of the teams, fans etc, as well as ignoring other alternatives that, on top of being more aesthetic and preferable to the teams,
the first fatality in 20 years in the sport
This goes back to the lack of testing and attention given to alternatives. It wouldn't be rocket science to make a visor less distorting. It's not like the Halo is at all superior when it comes to visibility.The "more preferable" option was, as reported by the driver who last tested it, too distorting to comfortably drive with.
I think the only person who would have been saved by the Halo was Henry Surtees. Something that most certainly would have avoided the situation altogether were stronger wheel tethers.Two drivers, a number of marshalls. None of whom would have been saved by the halo, but just pointing that out.
It wouldn't be rocket science to make a visor less distorting.
It's not like the Halo is at all superior when it comes to visibility.
Two drivers, a number of marshalls. None of whom would have been saved by the halo, but just pointing that out.
No, I will not "boycott" F1, but I surely won't watch it anymore either, these things look absolutely terrifying , and terrifyingly ugly. I pitty the guy that can't get out of their car for a prolonged time after a crash because of this monstrosity, just because the FIA wanted to create a "safe place" (for whatever reason).As it have been confirmed
You guys can circle jerk around it how much you want, F1 losing its sound is one of the things that started making it less popular and this "Halo" will make things worse, probably not outright kill it, but make it vanish into obscurity.Same type of people who watch a series based on sound.
You guys can circle jerk around it how much you want, F1 losing its sound is one of the things that started making it less popular and this "Halo" will make things worse, probably not outright kill it, but make it vanish into obscurity.
That's true I guess, it was a couple of years before that when things got stale already, but what I meant it didn't help things getting more exciting again, just more stale. I know there were a couple good races in the last years, but far between, mostly it was just one team dominating which also contributed to things being stale obviously.The racing got stale long before the current sounds arrived in all fairness.
Yeah, that's why I said it's a combination of things like with the speedboats, without the sound it would still be kinda cool to watch, but the sound is what makes it thrilling imo..Except sounds alone isn't gonna fix the often boring racing or oddball rules made. Seems like some F1 fans are having the same faulted logic as some Nascar fans that simply making an aesthestic change to either will miraculously fix everything.
3 marshalls, if anyone's counting. 2 died from being hit by flying wheels, a problem the introduction of wheel tethers seem to have solved. The other was an accident during a vehicle recovery. But I digress...
I would argue that there's a possibility Maria de Villota would still be alive had the halo been around in 2012, or if her accident didn't contribute to her death, the nature of her injuries would at least have been very different.
Definitely don't see F1 dying any time soon. Let alone because of a piece of carbon around the cockpit. Yes, the halo isn't the best solution, but the FIA needed to put something in place immediately, and they couldn't have done it with the aeroscreen or the shield. I think everyone here would rather see either of the other two over the halo, but the point stands that from a liability standpoint, if someone next year does get hurt, and the halo, by some chance, could have protected them, what would the FIA do then? Because then F1 would really be in trouble.This feels so rushed and stupid, I can't believe it.
It contradicts the whole concept.
What if a belt isn't really tightened enough (which happens actually) then driver head will hit this thing, instead of nothing without this thing (under normal circumstances).
The only thing this - head cage - does is protect the drivers from extremely rare freak incidents.
The lengths people go to defend this, reminds me a lot of the people defending scammy download content practices in games.
It makes no sense, but you still believe in it and you will never admit of being wrong... Because you can't be wrong on the internet appearantly.
I'll brush it aside as an internet thing as I'm convinced the majority of F1 fans will hate this change and probably stop watching all together (assumption on the last part)
"If the racing is good, no one will care."
Well, wrong Sherlock, F1 was always more than just racing, it's the flair, the tradition, the whole concept of open wheel, open cockpit and ultra fast cars. Since what - nearly 100 years now? This thing you call F1 will die next year if these plans go through. Nobody cares...
Is this really made of carbon fiber?because of a piece of carbon
And why is that? Why so suddenly?the FIA needed to put something in place immediately
And if we're playing "what if" scenarios, what if someone gets hurt because of the "halo"?if someone next year does get hurt, and the halo, by some chance, could have protected them
Honesrly the most disgusting thing about the Halo is not the aesthetic somehow ruining the sport, but the manner in which the FIA have gone about bring it forward.
Ignoring and neglecting the opinion of the teams, fans etc, as well as ignoring other alternatives that, on top of being more aesthetic and preferable to the teams, would actually help prevent debris from striking the head, is not the manner in which a supposedly respectable governing body should operate. Doing this for an untested, glorified toilet seat that fixes one problem while creating several more is downright deplorable.
Safety is always important, and the days of accepting that the sport will always be inherently life threatening is past us, however rushing out a half assed solution as a panic reaction to the first fatality in 20 years in the sport, just to save face and avoid potential lawsuits and whatnot, is downright disgraceful.
The worst part of this is that nothing will change unless they are proven wrong about their 'safety' device. So either we have these potentially unsafe sandals with wheels indefinitely, or they cause a head injury which, based on trends in the last few decades, we aren't due for for a while, hopefully never, and we find a solution that actually protects the drivers.