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Windows... 10?!?
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If it is cheaper, it is a better choice.
Robin
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Some companies have machinery and equipment running software that will only play nice with Windows 7. It is more economical to pay for extended support than to replace those machines. For example if a hospital has a MRI machine that only works with XP its going to be more logical than shelling out like a million on a new one.
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Yeah I am learning LMDE 3 ATM.
Experimenting with W10 settings, I messed up w10. Some features that I'm used to don't work anymore. I can't remember what the default settings are.
It started with trying to speed up my 4 y.o SSD startup when starting up W10. I don't see a default-settings-button that I can click to put W10 back to its default settings. If I can do this I can start messing around with the W10 settings again.
I also stopped several background boot-up programs.
This old SSD is quit faster now though. I managed to get W10 to boot up in only 9 seconds but changed the settings again and the 9 sec. boot-up is now a part of the past though.
It started with trying to speed up my 4 y.o SSD startup when starting up W10. I don't see a default-settings-button that I can click to put W10 back to its default settings. If I can do this I can start messing around with the W10 settings again.
I also stopped several background boot-up programs.
This old SSD is quit faster now though. I managed to get W10 to boot up in only 9 seconds but changed the settings again and the 9 sec. boot-up is now a part of the past though.
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Just wanna throw my 2 cents in on this nickle.
This will vary great depending on the company and their requirements. A lot of companies that have old programs running on old copies of windows probably arent going to be paying for support beyond the EoL date. I'm sure there is some variation from company to company but is somewhere around 500 monthly per workstation. That's quite the annual bill. Our environment has something like 52,000 deployed workstations. It's even more expensive if it's a windows server license. And we have 4 data centers worth of servers. In a large organization, you could easily be paying millions of dollars by not upgrading. As it is, I believe we still pay a couple hundred thousand to keep support on the few machines we cant upgrade because of application requirements.
But, being a Gov entity, we also have very strict policies, standards and requirements we have to follow. Something like a small machine shop or legal office or what have you, they aren't going to be bound to the same. Its would likely be far more economical to let the support lapse and just pay an outside IT contractor to fix any issue as it arises.
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I updated my Windows 10 version to 1903. Microsoft is issuing notes that the 1803 version of Windows 10 is getting phased out later this year. So you'd better pick up the latest version of W10 while you can. The process for me took maybe six hours total of downloading, installing, and settling in with the current version of W10.
LeGeNd-1
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Looks like forced upgrades are back in full swing. I stuck with 1709 for the past year due to compatibility issues on my laptop with 1803, but I got the update forced on my system yesterday. So far everything seems ok and I'm glad they fixed the sleep/shutdown bug with my system. Still not going to upgrade further though. I heard you can skip 1809 and go to 1903 directly, but that means having the latest version and exposing yourself to whatever shenanigans MS decides to pull next. Yeah, no thanks.
EDIT: Less than a week later, and I had the 1903 update forced on my system. Unfortunately (or fortunately in my case), the WU installer failed and did not get to install. Thanks MS for being so incompetent and saving me the headache of downgrading
EDIT: Less than a week later, and I had the 1903 update forced on my system. Unfortunately (or fortunately in my case), the WU installer failed and did not get to install. Thanks MS for being so incompetent and saving me the headache of downgrading
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DesertPenguin
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I just got a new laptop in July. How can I check which version I have?
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Right click on the windows button on the start bar, click system and scroll down until you find the windows specifications in the about window.
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Type winver into the start menu search-box then click the winver.exe.
DesertPenguin
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I'm on 1809.
Danoff
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My household interacts with 2 Windows 10 machines on a regular basis. Both of them are work machines. Had non-stop problems with both, with constant bluescreens (both Dell machines). IT says it's a driver problem, but they can't seem to shake it out. I've had other issues with them as well, driver problems with scanners, networking issues.
I guess that's not really that different from the Microsoft of the past. Bluescreens and driver problems have plagued windows forever. But I think Win7 was a high point. Thank goodness Linux is doing so well these days.
I guess that's not really that different from the Microsoft of the past. Bluescreens and driver problems have plagued windows forever. But I think Win7 was a high point. Thank goodness Linux is doing so well these days.
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Danoff
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I spent a lot of time with XP. I actually just installed XP not that long ago in a virtual box. I think Win7 was a step up in terms of reliability. 7 was the first time where I could leave a windows box running for months and months and not have to restart it. XP got weird across the service packs, especially for a fresh install. I liked XP, it's probably my second favorite windows version.
10 has so many issues that have been covered in this thread. I personally still pine for 7 while I use 10. I have a win 7 image that i don't boot very often (in favor of ubuntu), but I'm going to keep it around for basically offline use after it sunsets.
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All anecdotal of course, but the only issues I've had with 10 is with bitlocker going wonky when booting not connected to a docking station, and it going wonky coming out of sleep, which is common across all versions of windows.
Honestly though, with the work Valve has done on Wine, I'll probably be moving off of Windows my next computer build. Not to mention, at this juncture in life, I am not sure how much longer I'll be gaming anyway. I definitely won't be doing any outside of simulations regardless. So compatibility issues won't really be a road block.
Honestly though, with the work Valve has done on Wine, I'll probably be moving off of Windows my next computer build. Not to mention, at this juncture in life, I am not sure how much longer I'll be gaming anyway. I definitely won't be doing any outside of simulations regardless. So compatibility issues won't really be a road block.
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I don't game much anymore. But that is why I'm keeping a stale copy of Win 7 around. I can boot to it if I want to play a game. Even for an online game I don't mind using it beyond its serviced life. I'm not sure I'd want to go web browsing with it though - which could make getting copies of games more difficult in the future.
As far as I know, virtualbox is not good enough for gaming.
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Are today's games compatible with win7? I would think there are too many kernel and driver changes between 7 and 10.
Danoff
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To be fair, I'm probably not playing "today's" games. The most up-to-date game I own is probably Overwatch, and that one runs on Win7.
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Steam has an OS. SteamOS. Pretty sure they made it to complement their PC, Steam Machine. But they have been keeping it up to date even though the Steam Box thing really flopped.
Honestly though, it's just a build based off Debian linux, in which case you would probably be better off getting a proper linux OS.
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LeGeNd-1
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So finally I got the 1903 update forced upon my system. Everything seems ok buuuut opening the Start menu now there is a noticeable delay of ~0.5 sec. Seems to be related to some changes in search/cortana (even though I've disabled cortana on my system via regedit). Apparently last KB patch fixed it but not on my end. This is exactly why I don't trust MS 
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So, they go through and fix a crap load of security issues, making their product more secure to use, as well as optimizing more of the kernel. But half a second to load the start menu does you in? If you'd been around for Vista or Me, you'd probably have gone to Linux and made you way back to windows by now....So finally I got the 1903 update forced upon my system. Everything seems ok buuuut opening the Start menu now there is a noticeable delay of ~0.5 sec. Seems to be related to some changes in search/cortana (even though I've disabled cortana on my system via regedit). Apparently last KB patch fixed it but not on my end. This is exactly why I don't trust MS
LeGeNd-1
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Yes it does. Half a sec might not sound much but it is a noticeable delay, and everytime I open the Start menu I am constantly reminded of this.
The real question is, why couldn't they fix security issues while avoiding bugs like this? Or worse the file deleting bug a few updates ago (which I thankfully missed, as I was staying with the "insecure" 1709 version)? I'm not a software developed but Start menu being slow to open would be one of the first things to notice in bug testing no?
I don't really mind security updates but just sick of having trepidation after each time my PC restarts whether my system will still be running, or it will brick itself because of a dodgy update.
Funny you should mention Vista as well. Up until January last year I was actually still running Vista. Probably one of only 5 humans on the planet
I was forced to change because my old HDD broke. In the time between Vista ending its extended support (Apr 2017) until then I never had any security issues despite not receiving updates. If you have good AV, adblock and safe browsing practices most of these security issues aren't really relevant unless you look for it anyway.
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The start menu issue is a Windows thing.
As the latest 1909 build has broken the Start menu AGAIN!
Making it unusable and gives a critical error when trying to restart the start menu processor.
So the delay and things are windows thing not any malware or virus.
As the latest 1909 build has broken the Start menu AGAIN!
Making it unusable and gives a critical error when trying to restart the start menu processor.
So the delay and things are windows thing not any malware or virus.
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