Windows... 10?!?
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It probably has to be free since they're no longer supporting Windows 10. And it'll be easier for the developers if you force people to migrate to a single OS (cough cough Android fragmentation)
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Yeah, I don't recall 3.1 to 95 being free, or 95 to 98 being free, or 98 to XP, or XP to Vista or 7. Jus' sayin.'
10 being a free upgrade was a Big Deal when they announced that, and hopefully is a precedent.
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tbf we are in a completely different era from back then. Nowadays, companies are trying to get you into a closed ecosystem or getting you to subscribe into SaaS. By making the OS upgrade free, it allows the greatest amount of people to be in your ecosystem. This makes it easier to develop for and creates a bigger market to sell other Microsoft services to.
Also, if you force people to pay for the upgrade, then a large amount of people will decide not to upgrade, causing fragmentation, an issue that's been plaguing Android for a long time. This causes a lot of problems since you'll have to develop for each version.
Again, with Windows 10 losing official support in 2025 before even releasing the next version, I highly doubt they'll make you pay for it
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Making it free also gives Microsoft justification to fill the OS with ads like they started doing in 10.
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I'm surprised no one has posted anything yet from today's event
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I love that Microsoft requires TPM 2.0 (now 1.2) and Secure Boot for W11...but doesn't tell or instruct you how to enable either of those things. 
And the health check app is about as useful, only telling you that it isn't compatible. Why? 🤬 you, that's why. This is not going to be a smooth upgrade for less-than-tech-savvy end-users. Just...why not have an instructional video on the W11 landing page? You...you want people to upgrade, don't you?
And the health check app is about as useful, only telling you that it isn't compatible. Why? 🤬 you, that's why. This is not going to be a smooth upgrade for less-than-tech-savvy end-users. Just...why not have an instructional video on the W11 landing page? You...you want people to upgrade, don't you?
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LTT summary of all the announcements
There's some backend updates as well saying that the OS should have less CPU utilization. In addition, updates should be smaller and instead of two every year, there'll be one a year with longer support for each update.
Hardware Unboxed recently did a benchmark comparing 10 and 11 using the leaked build. They found basically no performance difference, but I assume the leaked build probably doesn't have the optimizations
I agree it's very strange with how they went about the system requirements. The most visible requirements (requiring 8th gen Intel or 2nd gen Ryzen and TPM 2.0) that's listed are for OEMs. The true minimum requirements for the average person are any dual core CPU and TPM 1.4 (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/). Those systems that don't meet the "soft floor" will be notified during installation.
www.theverge.com
Funnily, because of the TPM requirement, TPM chips have skyrocketed in prices. However most modern systems should have TPM 1.4 already. You may just need to enable it in BIOS
On Twitter, Microsoft VP of PM announced they're supposedly going to update the Health Check App to be more informative.
Also, there were a lot of questions regarding running Android apps in Windows 11. Since it uses the Amazon App Store and Intel Bridge technology, people were wondering whether or not if we could sideload apps and if it's Intel only.
A Microsoft engineer on Twitter said that sideloading will be possible, but it's unknown how easy it'll be. Hopefully it's just double clicking on any APK
Also, AMD and ARM CPUs will be able to run Android apps, because Intel Bridge Technology is a runtime post-compiler, so it shouldn't be restricted to Intel systems.
www.theverge.com
www.intel.com
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The Health Check App is already updated
Apparently you can't embed more than 5 pieces of media, so here's the screenshot from the tweet
There's some backend updates as well saying that the OS should have less CPU utilization. In addition, updates should be smaller and instead of two every year, there'll be one a year with longer support for each update.
Hardware Unboxed recently did a benchmark comparing 10 and 11 using the leaked build. They found basically no performance difference, but I assume the leaked build probably doesn't have the optimizations
I agree it's very strange with how they went about the system requirements. The most visible requirements (requiring 8th gen Intel or 2nd gen Ryzen and TPM 2.0) that's listed are for OEMs. The true minimum requirements for the average person are any dual core CPU and TPM 1.4 (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/). Those systems that don't meet the "soft floor" will be notified during installation.
Why Windows 11 is forcing everyone to use TPM chips
You probably already have one, but it may not be enabled.
www.theverge.com
Funnily, because of the TPM requirement, TPM chips have skyrocketed in prices. However most modern systems should have TPM 1.4 already. You may just need to enable it in BIOS
On Twitter, Microsoft VP of PM announced they're supposedly going to update the Health Check App to be more informative.
Also, there were a lot of questions regarding running Android apps in Windows 11. Since it uses the Amazon App Store and Intel Bridge technology, people were wondering whether or not if we could sideload apps and if it's Intel only.
A Microsoft engineer on Twitter said that sideloading will be possible, but it's unknown how easy it'll be. Hopefully it's just double clicking on any APK
Also, AMD and ARM CPUs will be able to run Android apps, because Intel Bridge Technology is a runtime post-compiler, so it shouldn't be restricted to Intel systems.
Windows 11’s Intel-powered Android apps will run on AMD and Arm processors, too
Ryzen users won’t be left out.
www.theverge.com
Intel Core Processors and Intel Bridge Technology Unleash Windows 11...
Together, Intel and Microsoft are delivering people’s favorite mobile apps to PCs with Intel Bridge Technology.
www.intel.com
EDIT:
The Health Check App is already updated
Apparently you can't embed more than 5 pieces of media, so here's the screenshot from the tweet
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Also, the preview build is available to download and try out! Although, there are a few known issues listed at the bottom of the page
Announcing the first Insider Preview for Windows 11
Hello Windows Insiders, we are excited to release the first Windows 11 Insider Preview build to the Dev Channel, Build 22000.51! As we finalize the product over the coming months, we will work with you to validate the experience. You will get to tr
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There are rumors that the official release is October 20th
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I think that the health check app now tells you if the failure is related to TPM. It wouldn't surprise me if the motherboard manufacturers release BIOS updates that flick the default TPM Emulation state to On at some point in the next 6-12 months
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I haven't looked, but I think I saw on Twitter people said they completely took down the Health Check App to fix it lmao
Apparently, Microsoft has been openly testing the core of Windows 11 since December 2019
Apparently, Microsoft has been openly testing the core of Windows 11 since December 2019
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Something apparently happened in one of the two last updates that has caused the "shut down" command from the windows button on the taskbar, to restart the computer. The second time I request "shut down" it does shut down properly. Researching it the only work around I could find was to go into settings and disable fast startup which then does exactly what disabling that command says, it takes forever for the computer to start up. But it does shut down the first time you ask it to. So it's your damned if you do and damned if you don't.
It could have been this last 21H1 update but I'm not sure.
It could have been this last 21H1 update but I'm not sure.
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That does seem odd.
The shutdown button should send the shutdown.exe /s /t 00 command to the kernel
For it to do a shutdown.exe /r /t 00 then a shutdown next time is odd
As for "Fast Start up"
Shutdown is not really a shutdown these days.
Shutdown implies S5 mode in the ACPI
Windows does a "Hybrid Shutdown" which is a combination of Sleep and Hibernate where you will be sent to the log in screen on start up.
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I'm not sure. I think I'm a little nervous with disabling fast startup because my old laptop would sometimes take 20 minutes or more to startup after a windows update and occasionally it had to be hard rebooted. So in my head now anything taking over a few seconds to startup makes my worry if it is actually going to startup or not. 🙂
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A 20 minute boot time after a Windows Update sounds like your laptop has a regular hard drive. I highly recommend upgrading to an SSD, even the cheapest SSD will greatly outpace a hard drive for a boot drive (though you don't want to go too cheap).
Upgrading to an SSD from a regular hard drive is genuinely the biggest upgrade you can do to a computer, it makes everything so much faster (and will improve your battery life, too). Windows 10 is painful to use without an SSD, especially due to it having constant updates.
Yesterday I reinstalled my computer and it upgraded automatically to 20H2. I have nothing against this version except for the fact that the windows explorer shortcut always jumps to the top of the desktop every time I refresh/restart the computer.
I don't like that. I want this shortcut to stay where I have put it for the last, mmm, many, many years. How can I fix this?
EDIT: fixed it by using another shortcut that opens explorer as well and renamed it.
I don't like that. I want this shortcut to stay where I have put it for the last, mmm, many, many years. How can I fix this?
EDIT: fixed it by using another shortcut that opens explorer as well and renamed it.
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Second Windows 11 developer preview has been released
blogs.windows.com
There's a lot of bug fixes. There's still quite a bit of known issues so I think I'm going to wait for the next version before trying it out
Announcing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22000.65
Hello Windows Insiders, We are so excited to have so many of you running the first preview of Windows 11 and we’re busy looking at all your feedback that’s coming in. Today we are releasing an update (Build 22000.65) to everyone in the Dev Chann
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There's a lot of bug fixes. There's still quite a bit of known issues so I think I'm going to wait for the next version before trying it out
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