Would GT6 have sold better on the PS4?

[Johnnypenso]

I found these numbers (sourced form http://www.vgchartz.com/) interesting in relation to this discussion -

COD-Ghosts PS4 sales - 1.77 million (34.98% of PS4 install base)

COD-Ghosts PS3 sales - 7.32 million (8.87% of PS3 install base)

I'm not sure what you can take from the above, but it does illustrate my main point to a certain degree - the large install base/large sales argument may not currently be as relevant as it can sometimes be. The slow phasing out of the PS3 while the PS4 is introduced makes any kind of prediction/assumption extremely dubious, as I think Sony is finding out with GT6.

I also looked at the VGChartz numbers and in all fairness to both side of the debate, that is the most extreme example. Other PS3/PS4 games aren't nearly so dramatically different in sales..example...

Assassins Creed
PS3 2.59 Million
PS4 1.31 Million

Battlefield 4
PS3 2.35 Million
PS4 1.40 Million

It will be interesting to track those numbers for the next few months to see if the PS4 numbers start to catch up or the ratios stay the same or even worsen.

 

[Lawndart]

No, GT 6 retail performance is due in large part to not having anything innovative or compelling in the realms of gameplay. And worse, has less features than the the previous version by a wide margin.

All of GT 6 USPs (unique selling points) are promised post launch so it's only selling points were more cars, tracks, some background tech, and the hint of a feature set beyond GT 5...

But the reality is it fell well short of even matching its predecessor and it's a proven reality that post support features only create moderate, temporary bumps in sales. Post support is more of a retention mechanism.

So no, GT 6 wasn't even ready for current gen when it went out, but it was likely pushed out to fill a version hole so they could focus efforts on next gen...

 

[Sander 001]

It would definitely sell consoles but it wouldn't sell better - install base is very important, doubly so when you're dealing with niche games.

Yeah Gran Turismo is anything but a niche game. It's a mass market product which usually sells 10 million units.

 

[mika haka]

An improved gt6 would have sold more but gt6 as it is now, would be a pr disaster for the ps4.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Gt6 is the hold over product. It's essentially GT7 Beta. It's the pattern they have always had. The driving is improved, but almost every other aspect is diminished.

 

[Mulan]

A more interresting question is would GT6 sell more in terms of money. GT6 on ps3 is really cheap now and that is the reason it sells. But as ps4 numbers start to increase and games hold their price i think gt6 on ps4 would be a better income version.

 

[Aquarelle]

Yeah Gran Turismo is anything but a niche game. It's a mass market product which usually sells 10 million units.

Except it is.

Gran Turismo has been boxed and bundled with Playstations for as long as I can remember, the game its self IS a niche market, driving simulators aren't popular like chest high walls and explosions.

Do you have any figures for people who went out of their way to purchase Gran Turismo titles on their own?

 

[Conza]

I think this is a circumstancial question, if GT6 came out instead of when GT7 will, would that GT6 game, sell better than the GT7 game will? I think that would be the same. So the real question, and I think the answer to this thread, is will GT7 outsell GT6? And I would say yes.

 

[Sander 001]

Except it is.

Gran Turismo has been boxed and bundled with Playstations for as long as I can remember, the game its self IS a niche market, driving simulators aren't popular like chest high walls and explosions.

Do you have any figures for people who went out of their way to purchase Gran Turismo titles on their own?

Well the burden of proof is on you; do you got figures for Gran Turismo bundled purchases?

 

[Aquarelle]

Well the burden of proof is on you; do you got figures for Gran Turismo bundled purchases?

Afraid not buddy 👍 You can however go to any games store and see all the PS3 bundled with GT6, if going outside isn't too much effort of course.

 

[Sander 001]

Afraid not buddy 👍 You can however go to any games store and see all the PS3 bundled with GT6, if going outside isn't too much effort of course.

Sure we could do that, if there was any value whatsoever to anecdotal data. But since there isn't, I'll save myself the trip.

 

[Magik300]

GT6 on ps4 would be a laughing stock. By no means gt6 is next gen. It's archaic type of game even for ps3.
So no embarrassment for sony. Let's wait for real gran tourismo

 

[Alss]

GT6 would have sold better if they had actually addressed some of the issues from GT5 (ie. sound, AI, course maker, standard model cars etc.).

I think a lot of people have just run out of patience

This Is very true imho

 

[omnibusse]

It's archaic type of game even for ps3.
So no embarrassment for sony. Let's wait for real gran tourismo

What do you expect from a "real gran turismo" on PS4? Cutscenes, Storyline, sharing, immersive online mode, car damage etc.? What kind of features to come would make GT7 a really new game?

I am pessimistic enough to expect GT7 to be basically the same game: no storyline, no real career, but new weather effects, more tracks, cars, sharing options and maybe a livery editor. Nothing else.

 

[Alss]

What do you expect from a "real gran turismo" on PS4? Cutscenes, Storyline, sharing, immersive online mode, car damage etc.? What kind of features to come would make GT7 a really new game?

I am pessimistic enough to expect GT7 to be basically the same game: no storyline, no real career, but new weather effects, more tracks, cars, sharing options and maybe a livery editor. Nothing else.

Have you even seen the graphics on the ps4 ? The graphics alone from gt6 would be an embarrassment if on the ps4.

 

[Blown03Cobra]

I would have bought a PS4 rather than a Xbox One if GT6 was released on the new console.

 

[Eyes Fried Open]

If anything i think the PS4 would have sold better. they were smart to put it on PS3 as every man and his dog has one. i don't think many people would really want to spend an extra $650NZD plus the expense of the game just to play it. So PS4 would have had more sales due to the real DIEHARD gt fans but most of us would have stuck to 5 or whatever new PS3 games came out that interested us. personally i'm waiting for a price drop before i get a PS4

 

[Stigscousin]

If they released it on PS4, I would've bought an Xbox One to play Forza 5 instead. GT6 is an improvement on GT5, but not good enough to justify buying a PS4 and I'm probably not alone in thinking this.

 

[MockngBrd]

If GT6 came out on PS4, i wouldn't have bought it cos i'm not gonna buy a PS4.

 

[matticus88]

i think its not really worth me posting as its been said alot already, ps3 user base is much much larger. I'm even going to wait for GT7 on PS4 before i even get one. Gran turismo has always been the first game i've gotten for a PS, I actually got GT3 before i had a ps2 in anticipation lol

 

[Lambob]

I recently bought my 3rd replacement PS3, to play GT6.
My pre-ordered PS4 is still sealed in its box waiting for GT7.
would it have sold better on PS4? Not at all, I believe GT6 would have sold 'exactly the same' as it did now. Those who want to play GT6, simply buy it.

albeit, it would have sold less, due to the fact that the demand:supply ratio of the PS4 on release day was 50:1

 

[Devileye03]

I speak for a country like India where I stay, there are many like me who haven't bought GT6 yet, because firstly, racing is not a popular culture in India like CRICKET! I am happy GT Academy's arrival in India brings a lot of hope for a change in this given scenario. Honestly, I have started liking Gran Turismo series since only for past year and a half. I am not a gamer who buys games on the very first day. I currently play GT4 on my good old PS2. I have PS3 too, but I didn't buy GT5. I always feel the 2nd GT game in a console generation is always more refined overall and GT6 pushes PS3's capabilities in every which way possible.

I am happy that PS3 got GT6. PS3 is not phasing out at all and has a long downhill journey to claim retirement. I can't afford a PS4 right now in India which costs Rs.39,900 ($645). I am surely going to get GT6 soon. My view is to let GT6 settle for at least an year and by Dec 2014 or next year, I am sure the game will truly shine with its constant new updated cars line-up, GT Vision and much more. In fact GT6 sales have dominated in Japan. So even after having a poor start otherwise, (thanks to the launch of PS4), GT6 sales should gather momentum soon, or at least I hope so!

 

[vasiliflame]

Yes it should have been on the ps4 , then when it flopped big style kaz would have to react and finally have a kick up the hoop from Sony. I really feel sorry for Sony at the moment people gave them flak for years even when they gave kaz a 60 million budget. Sony had a good return roughly 400 million on gt5. Kaz is someone I have now come to hate he is a liar and one thing I can not stand is a liar

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes it should have been on the ps4 , then when it flopped big style kaz would have to react and finally have a kick up the hoop from Sony. I really feel sorry for Sony at the moment people gave them flak for years even when they gave kaz a 60 million budget. Sony had a good return roughly 400 million on gt5. Kaz is someone I have now come to hate he is a liar and one thing I can not stand is a liar

When someone promises to meet a deadline in the business world and fails, that doesn't make them a liar it makes them disorganized, inefficient, short of resources etc. Unless you have some proof Kaz knew he couldn't deliver but said he would anyway, you should withdraw the "liar" accusation because it's unfair and unfounded.

 

[vasiliflame]

When someone promises to meet a deadline in the business world and fails, that doesn't make them a liar it makes them disorganized, inefficient, short of resources etc. Unless you have some proof Kaz knew he couldn't deliver but said he would anyway, you should withdraw the "liar" accusation because it's unfair and unfounded.

No I ain't retracting it in my eyes he is a liar , short of resource ? 60 million budget wish I had that to play with when I do a project . Kaz is like a politician side steps questions and doesn't actually listen to the people who made him. If I was Sony I would sack the lot of them and take granturismo and make the vision of the fans not of kaz.

I had gt1 on import on the ps1 and of the 15 years I been playing the game this last generation been a joke on our expense.

 

[Johnnypenso]

No I ain't retracting it in my eyes he is a liar , short of resource ? 60 million budget wish I had that to play with when I do a project . Kaz is like a politician side steps questions and doesn't actually listen to the people who made him. If I was Sony I would sack the lot of them and take granturismo and make the vision of the fans not of kaz.

lie 2 (lī)n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.

v. lied, ly·ing (lī′ĭng), lies
v.intr.1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving

Please present your proof then that Kaz deliberately misled us, in other words, show us that he knew he couldn't deliver and promised anyway.

 

[vasiliflame]

lie 2 (lī)n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.

v. lied, ly·ing (lī′ĭng), lies
v.intr.1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving

Please present your proof then that Kaz deliberately misled us, in other words, show us that he knew he couldn't deliver and promised anyway.

Wow you can use google and copy and paste , please do not reply again this is my opinion and opinions are like bum holes everyone has one. I accept your opinion why can you not accept mine, you have the right to voice yours but do not think i am going to change my opinion because you copy and pasted from the the Oxford dictionary the meaning of a liar. I am not going to change my stance and like I said I think he is a liar. If you want to pm me about this carry on just don't clog up the thread with pointless post because I do not think the same as you

End of chat

 

[Johnnypenso]

Wow you can use google and copy and paste , please do not reply again this is my opinion and opinions are like bum holes everyone has one. I accept your opinion why can you not accept mine, you have the right to voice yours but do not think i am going to change my opinion because you copy and pasted from the the Oxford dictionary the meaning of a liar. I am not going to change my stance and like I said I think he is a liar. If you want to pm me about this carry on just don't clog up the thread with pointless post because I do not think the same as you

End of chat

I didn't call him a liar, you did, the burden of proof is on you. And you are not offering an "opinion". You can't have an "opinion" someone is a liar, it's a factual statement. Either he lied, and you have proof he did had foreknowledge of this untruth, or you are just making it up for dramatic effect in which case you should withdraw it. If it's as simple as Google/copy/paste, feel free to do so, otherwise I suggest you withdraw the remark.

 

[vasiliflame]

I didn't call him a liar, you did, the burden of proof is on you. And you are not offering an "opinion". You can't have an "opinion" someone is a liar, it's a factual statement. Either he lied, and you have proof he did had foreknowledge of this untruth, or you are just making it up for dramatic effect in which case you should withdraw it. If it's as simple as Google/copy/paste, feel free to do so, otherwise I suggest you withdraw the remark.

No.. Stay on topic or a mod will close this thread my name may be vasiliflame , but I ain't flaming I am just speaking my opinion, like you stated yours accept it or don't no skin of my nose.

 

[Vagabond]

Calling Kaz, the individual, a liar is maybe a little bit of a stretch but here I think he is simply the recognizable face of a company that many people feel has deceived them as consumers and fans. GT6 continues not to live up to its pre-release hype and still no updates have appeared to rectify it. Irritation is inevitable and requires an outlet. Unlike with many faceless corporations, Kaz has made himself the personal target for this irritation and unfortunately he has to bear that until such time as the promises that were made are fulfilled.