WRC tracks

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SomeStrangeSin
i am wondering if the tracks are going to be circuits with laps and other racers or are the tracks going to be like the real life wrc where its just on long trail and your competing for the best time each driver is set at different times. i hope it is like that i really hate rally circuits. does anyone know how that is going to work?
i seen a screen shot of a race with multiple cars running at the same time soo it leads me to beileve that its going to be circuit tracks.

also does anyone know whats tracks have been confirmed?
 
The only thing we know about WRC is seen from the E3 2009 trailer.

So what did we see there?

I remember seeing a Citroen rally car standing on a platform that said rally toscana 2009. The citroen takes off. And another car takes its place on the platform.

The second thing we saw about rally was a dirt track on which we saw:
a suzuki and a citroen racing against each other.
a ford focus(i think).
and a subaru.

Conclusion:

GT5 will include both types of events.
Notice that in the trailer, in the Subaru you can see the co-driver sitting next to you so you'll probably hear him giving you instructions.
 
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One car (Te Subaru I think) had a Rally Japan sticker on the side of the car.

I'd guess we'll get point to point races as well as some of the known rally circuits returning.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing some Targa events! Imagine running rallys through actual towns and on actual streets.
 
The only thing we know about WRC is seen from the E3 2009 trailer.

So what did we see there?

I remember seeing a Citroen rally car standing on a platform that said rally toscana 2009. The citroen takes off. And another car takes its place on the platform.

The second thing we saw about rally was a dirt track on which we saw:
a suzuki and a citroen racing against each other.
a ford focus(i think).
and a subaru.

Conclusion:

GT5 will include both types of events.
Notice that in the trailer, in the Subaru you can see the co-driver sitting next to you so you'll probably hear him giving you instructions.

I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion. The platform shot probably is some background animation for a menu before you go to one of the rally tracks. How do you conculde from that, that there is point-to-point racing?

Also, it's only logical to include a co-driver sitting beside the driver in a WRC car, as they rarely go only with driver. Just because they put a figure there, doesn't mean he will be talking.

Actually, nothing in that E3-trailer makes me believe point-to-point racing will be included. (I have stated in another post that it's consistent with the effort that would be included in creating such tracks, not to do them)
 
Notice that in the trailer, in the Subaru you can see the co-driver sitting next to you so you'll probably hear him giving you instructions.
In GT3, 4 & HD is also a co driver sitting their.
 
I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion. The platform shot probably is some background animation for a menu before you go to one of the rally tracks. How do you conculde from that, that there is point-to-point racing?
Even if that is just a bit of pre-race presentation why not make that conclusion. PD wouldn't put an animation for the start of a point to point race in the game if there were no point to point races. We know that that starting platform shot was from a track in the game anyway.

Also, it's only logical to include a co-driver sitting beside the driver in a WRC car, as they rarely go only with driver. Just because they put a figure there, doesn't mean he will be talking.
No, co-drivers have not been featured in a GT game to date yet rally cars have. Having the co-driver modelled doesn't mean there will be pace notes being read out I agree with that. But you are wrong that it's logical to include them because they are there in real life, Well no since the co-drivers don't come with the cars. If PD are implementing a race series where they have modelled the co-drivers then the logical thought would be that they will be using them in one form or another. It's not a certainty, but it is the logical conclusion.

Actually, nothing in that E3-trailer makes me believe point-to-point racing will be included. (I have stated in another post that it's consistent with the effort that would be included in creating such tracks, not to do them)
Believe what you want, but the evidence suggests otherwise. No it's not conclusive but it still indicates that they wll be there. The starting platform is a bit of a giveaway imo.
 
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Well said up here.

And think about it for just a second...

Fact: GT5 is the official WRC game

Then wouldn't it be silly if the official WRC game doesn't include a co driver with pace notes and no point to point races?

And if you look again at the platform scene you can see that not only do we see a citroen standing on a platform,
we also see(and hear) it taking off.
Then a focus drives up the platform.

Ok, so maybe it's not a conclusion but from what they show in the trailer you can be almost certain that it will be included.
 
I wouldn't be too dissapointed if they got rid of all the old classic gt rally tracks and just brought in some good WRC point-to-points. Rally has always been a bit of a joke in GT and now we've got a proper mode! (hopefully)
 
I mentioned this before,but is it possible they could use evo studios WRC research data for some tracks.or even have Evo/Sony liverpool working on bringing them up to GT standards.
 
Since they even put "WRC" on their first trailer for the game, I think they will include a lot of authentic official material... including rally stages
 
Why? Having a co-driver telling you whats coming up on the point to point rally stages would be a good thing imo.
 
Fact: GT5 is the official WRC game

I disagree.

I'm pretty sure "WRC" and "NASCAR" are registered trademarks which PD would not be allowed to use, if they didn't have a license. That does certainly NOT imply it is the ONLY game that has a license to use those trademarks nor that it is THE official WRC game.

You probably would agree that the situation is the same for WRC and NASCAR for all we know. And yet, there actually IS an official NASCAR game that is not GT5, i.e. "NASCAR 09" from EA. Likewise, just because there is no official WRC game out at the moment does not imply GT5 will be.

It would simply be a bit lame not being able to call a WRC or NASCAR by their names like they had to do with the Formula 1 cars in previous GT games, which is why I believe they acquired those licenses. Nothing more to it.
 
What about if on-line you could enter a rally and actually be a co driver by using a voice head set!!!

You first of all drive the rally stage slowly and write your pass notes or (an easier option) if you become the co-driver the view on screen is the passenger seat and the route instructions flash up on your windscreen (and not the drivers) so you have to read them out "5 left", "6 over brow", "Yump, followed by cattle grid" through your headset to your on-line driver.

Then on the next stage you take turns to either drive or co drive.

If they had this set up as a proper competition it would be great!

You could get some great spectator modes as well - listening to the co drivers babbling away and the driver laughing as he's trying to keep up with the notes and driving!

What do you all think?
 
Personally i think they should have left it to Codemasters... In know PD arent gonna get the noises and rough rugged feel that Dirt 2 will have. I dont expect the rally to be much diffferent from previous versions, we just now have official WRC cars...
a bit dissapointing..
 
"Personally i think they should have left it to Codemasters."

Haven't you noticed how bad recent codemasters racing games have been? Colin McRae Rally 2 was last good rally game from them in my opinion. TOCA 2 race driver was good game but after that all has been quite poor
 
-There will be no WRC official Rally Tracks..I think they are only WRC pilots and WRC cars.

what is your reason to beileve that?

i dont understand how they could say "lets make everything like the wrc except the tracks" the tracks are only the most important aspect of rally racing. if they do circuit tracks rally will once again be a joke. i want point to point rally racing i dont know why pd wouldnt want point to point rally.
 
If it's 2009 WRC season, there is only few team/cars and only one tarmac point to point rally!

This wrc licence can bring the best: monte carlo, germany rally, group B old fashion rally cars and more...
or not: C4 vs Focus in only few dust rally stages :ill:
 
My idea is we have 1 stage from each WRC rally, to be typical of that rally.

e.g. one at Monte-Carlo, 1 at Finland etc.

They do not need to be real roads - just typical of the country. They do, however, need to be P2P.
 
I wonder if they have stadium events,maybe that's what the editor hint from Amar's whispers are talking about,you create track layouts in a stadium environment.
 
In my latest blog entry, I talk to a great degree about what we COULD expect from the WRC deal in GT5. I discuss some of the various nuances of this package. You can see these details as well as my accompanying YouTube video here:

http://johnbmarine.blogspot.com/2009/07/gt5-speculation-world-rally.html

Now as far as what we could expect, something tells me (unless there's a complete fundamental change in order), that the classic rallycross-style competition in past GTs will also have traditional point-to-point rallies like this.

Co-Driver Notes. Something tells me that either actual voices will be used, or perhaps some on-screen notes for you to take note of. I'm so used to Nicky Grist's voice.

To What Extreme(s)? Are we going to be able to whack a free-standing tree on the far outside of the course? Are we going to fall off of ledges to a vicious fall? Are we going to have to avoid hitting wild animals? (Don't get excited, "fanboys," but...) Are we going to be able to fly off the road and run over spectators? You see, I've done some reading on "Richard Burns Rally" and all the nuances of that game. Do you make the experience unique and authentic? Do you make the game as extreme as possible? That will all depend.

Actual WRC Events, Gran Turismo Originals, Fictional Point-to-Point Rallies, or Any Combination Thereof? Something tells me that these updates will be on a downloadable content basis. Perhaps you get a set number of rallies and stages as a "starter" package with many more events to come in the future.



Now on to more relevant matters to this thread- tracks. If you're talking about some of the better rally events, these would be can't-miss:

* Finland
* Sweden
* Monte Carlo
* Greece (and/or Cyprus)
* Australia (because GT needs some more Australian representation)
* Safari Rally

Any rallies featured will have to have the various surface types. Gravel, dirt, tarmac, and snow are usually the basic surface types. You'll need to have a good variety of different surfaces to challenge rally racers to pick a good set of tires to take on each stage. Personally, I love rallying on gravel since you can really get aggressive in the corners. Tarmac, however, doesn't allow you this sort of aggressive, on the limit rallying. Snow is different because it's fun, but it isn't so fun trying to get as much grip as possible when driving on snow. Ice is even worse. Your car literally becomes an ice sled rather than a rally car.

While I don't know if we'll be getting every last rally (which is unlikely in the final build), I think we'll get just enough rally action to where we'll be enjoying rally racing the way it was meant to be enjoyed. PD will need to focus on getting proper rallying done right. If you recall from the E3 trailer, it looked like a road that's three or four lanes wide. Maybe I'm too critical of this, but those roads are TOO wide for a rally car. All the rally videos I see have roads usually one-lane wide, maybe two lanes wide. It puzzles me as to how rally racers are able to get a compact or a sedan to fully and successfully navigate roads so narrow. PD should just try to have at least one of everything. For each different surface type, have at least one stage or entire rally consisting of these surfaces.

All we can do is mostly speculate. That's why I do these videos and make these posts.
 
Now with proper rally racing, then we're talking about a proper track editor. Still, any hope of a track editor will have to be with autocross. I'm sorry... I don't see a track editor outside of autocross. I just don't.
 
Now with proper rally racing, then we're talking about a proper track editor. Still, any hope of a track editor will have to be with autocross. I'm sorry... I don't see a track editor outside of autocross. I just don't.
I was either thinking this or having a city that you could plot a course on. this has been done in several games before.

I still have no idea what backing these rumors have though.
 

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