"WRS Grippers" vs "Drifters"...a possibility?!?

[MisterWeary]

Hi there, I'm a racer over in the Weekly Race Series here and I was wondering if there'd be any interest in a race that was designed to be equally possible to win drifting vs gripping? And whether some of you drifters would be interested in competing? It's just an idea at this stage but I've posted the same thing in the WRS suggestion thread here. Any thoughts? Is there a track/car/tyre combo that would provide good competition between drifters and grippers?

Thanks in advance 👍

 

[amp88]

Drifting isn't fast enough to compete with good WRS drivers. You would have to bias everything in the comparison in favour of the drifters to get any semblance of competition.

There was a "grip vs drift" race that happened a while ago and the grip driver won by a huge margin (I don't remember exactly how much, but it was several seconds at least).

 

[Sheron]

I'd like to participate in it. The best car in GT4 to drift for speed (IMHO) is the '92 NSX type R, this car with street tyres (N3) lives to drift and it's still very fast. '02 model is also good, but it has a more stable rear end.
I'll do some research in the most suitable track.

I know that drifting is NOT faster, but I'll go 100% on this

 

[Monteclaro]

I would like to compete too, this comp sounds like it could b interesting, i know that drifting is far slower than grip especially if the car grip racing is tuned to perfection, but it'll b fun to have a challenge

 

[MisterWeary]

I think the drifters would have to choose the car and settings entirely, I'm aware that drifting is normally slower but surely theres a situation or two that would make for something close?

As I said It was just an idea, Cyril (flat-out) who runs the WRS would have to give it the okay but I thought it might be interesting.

 

[Small_Fryz]

I would be glad to race.

Not sure how you guys would set it up.

 

[Boundary Layer]

Sheron might give the Div 2 and 3 guys a good run for their money under the right circumstances. That guy is freakishly fast when he wants to be. But I think the majority of Div 1 would be laughing in this one - unless you've become a lot slower than the times I was racing you in GT3 Fryz [good ol ISCC ].

Would be a fun comparison though, provided it's stated and understood beforehand that traditionally drifting will always be slower.

 

[Sheron]

Sheron might give the Div 2 and 3 guys a good run for their money under the right circumstances. That guy is freakishly fast when he wants to be.

Thank you man.

The best place to test this is "El Capitán" reverse. It's twisty and bumpy.

About the car I've selected a '92 NXS type R. It's very easy to handle, easy to know its limits, easy to slide and fast while sliding.

I think I have the right setting, it's very mild, the car can drift but also can handle a grip driving. Most of my drfiting with this car is a mixture of braking and lift-off.

'92 NSX type R
Power: 302hp

Parts to buy:

Oil change
Custom suspension
Custom gearbox
1,5 way LSD
Roll cage
Rigidity
N2 tyres

Settings:

Spring rate: 10.0/10.0
Ride height: 90/90
Shock bound: 7/7
Shock rebound: 10/10
Camber angle: 3.0/1.0
Toe angle: 0.0/-1.0
Stabilizers: 2/2

Gear change: (tranny trick used!!!)
1st: 2.605
2nd:1.818
3rd: 1.442
4th: 1.143
5th: 0.895
Final: 4.028

TCS: 0
ASM: 0

 

[Tedehur]

The idea sounds interesting, I just wonder if it makes sense to compare racing and drifting. Ok, the techniques are different, but the goals are different too : racing is all about saving time and drifting is all about style.
Grippers will only be interested in the final lap time, but will this mean something to drifters ?

Should we add some ballast to the grippers' cars ? Or use an NSX with less power than the Type-R ?
Do you have some PAL replays of that NSX at El Capitan reverse that you could post here ?

 

[Scoop2004]

its easily arranged,just chose standard cars.IE a yellowbird on N2s with no tuning,against a standard Skyline,that'd be a close one id think,if thats not close maybe grippers use the Focus RS? or another slow grip car,as long as they get round the track at the same times then its all good,i can beat my missus round apricot hill in a driftin yellowbird when shes driving stock grip scoobys,she is a bit rubbish tho

 

[Suzuki]

can i smell a lock coming?
there is no way possible IMO that drifting of any kind will be faster than even slow grip racing.

 

[Gen.]

We're trying to balance out the playing field Suzuki, relax

It's all in good fun 👍

 

[nk4e]

I think we will lose but that is my 2 cents since I lost to a gripper

 

[Valve Timing]

did nt u lose to captain trips .. that kid was a joke

 

[Delphic Reason]

This is a tough one...

Equally matched, a grip racer will always beat a drifter... There just isn't any exception to the rule... The only way to make it work is if the grip racer had a strong handicap... Which kind of takes away from the experience...

Flat-Out said it well... Drifting is about style, fluidity, and control... Grip is about lap times... It's hard to have any kind of competition between the two... Although, I would indeed love to see Sheron (Go IDM!!!) speed drift against some grippers... He's a hell of a speed drifter, so that might be interesting, albeit, still probably a bit slower than a good grip racer...

Tough call...

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

Hmmm, interesting.
After reading this thread, I tried the week 44 combo, and actually some of my best times came from drifting (but they weren't that good, I don't like cars that can't break worth a crap).

If you do go through with this, I'll register and test my skill at it (even though I think I will register anyway, after I finish my monster history project and buy a Max Drive).

 

[MisterWeary]

Well it just sounded interesting to me...I've watched a few videos from you drifters and I gotta say it's some impressive viewing. Some kind of handicap system would be neat, even if it was a race that final lap times really didn't count towards anything, not sure, I'm gonna give the combination Sheron suggested a crack and see how it goes.

As for locking the thread....a bit hasty I would have thought perhaps if people think of a combo that might work they could post it here like Sheron did and we can post what second barrier we can get in with our respective methods....I'm gonna go have a crack now with Sheron's suggestion, I'll be back........................

................................righty-O!!!!!!!!

Just put down 15 laps or so using the settings Sheron proposed (well as close as I could get, my car had 310hp?!? and the tranny trick didn't give me identical gear ratios but i fiddled till I had something almost identical) Anyway I got a final lap that was in the 1'58's. I'm certain I could get a 1'57 and *maybe* a 1'56. Someone like holl01 (the top driver in the WRS) would prob go into the 1'54's maybe 1'53's) but the car setup is nice, just like Sheron said you could drift with it or grip with it pretty equally i think?!? How do these laps compare to drifting?

 

[Suzuki]

We're trying to balance out the playing field Suzuki, relax

It's all in good fun 👍

i am relaxed man, i am just voicing my opinions. if they both go all out, and do what they can do, i feel grip will always win vs drifting every corner.

This is a tough one...

Equally matched, a grip racer will always beat a drifter... There just isn't any exception to the rule... The only way to make it work is if the grip racer had a strong handicap... Which kind of takes away from the experience...

Flat-Out said it well... Drifting is about style, fluidity, and control... Grip is about lap times... It's hard to have any kind of competition between the two...
Tough call...

thats what i was trying to get at...

 

[nk4e]

did nt u lose to captain trips .. that kid was a joke

well if he didn't jump the corner, I could of beat him by acouple of seconds

 

[Sheron]

Just put down 15 laps or so using the settings Sheron proposed (well as close as I could get, my car had 310hp?!? and the tranny trick didn't give me identical gear ratios but i fiddled till I had something almost identical) Anyway I got a final lap that was in the 1'58's. I'm certain I could get a 1'57 and *maybe* a 1'56. Someone like holl01 (the top driver in the WRS) would prob go into the 1'54's maybe 1'53's) but the car setup is nice, just like Sheron said you could drift with it or grip with it pretty equally i think?!? How do these laps compare to drifting?

I've only tried drifting laps. My best lap time was 1:58:2xx. I think I can go up to 57:5xx still drifting.

And Trial Mountain reverse has also big potential in grip vs drift. I'll give a try.

About the ballast, it's better to wait racers time's, if they're very low let's add some weight.

 

[MisterWeary]

Nice! The laps are fairly similar then? Don't know if you've tried this weeks WRS race but it's a good drifting one, I've had to drift a few corners, if you get a chance have a look at it, you can find it here.

 

[Sheron]

After some tests, El Capitán is better that Trial Mountain. And N2 tyres are much better. It's easier to drift and will make this a bit more difficult to grip racers.

 

[MisterWeary]

I'll have another crack ata it when I get a chance with N2 tyres, that ought to make a couple of sections pretty hairy for grippers

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

Maybe you could have 2 "divisions" in each division, a grip (with sport? tires) and a drift (with N tires). And to keep the times even, maybe handicap the grip division with ballast weight or power reduction?

I suggest this because after reading WRS Week 44, some of the best drivers said they can't drift well at all. So....they might not compete in a drift only combo.

 

[road kill]

actually drifting isnt all about style as for me i wouldnt drift every corner for ex i would slide so i could bring more speed into a corner and then try to accel out cleanly drifting the whole corner i dont like to do and i do think that drifting could keep up with grip racing but not with the tracks in gt4 but then again so this is only a noobs opinion

 

[nk4e]

actually drifting isnt all about style as for me i wouldnt drift every corner for ex i would slide so i could bring more speed into a corner and then try to accel out cleanly drifting the whole corner i dont like to do and i do think that drifting could keep up with grip racing but not with the tracks in gt4 but then again so this is only a noobs opinion

that is an example of race drifting...I believe that Sheron's expertise in that area

 

[road kill]

ah i see maybe i should give it a shot since im getting better at it with my 240sx

 

[Sheron]

I've made a video. It isn't a perfect lap, but this stuff is really hard to do, I messed up the braking point at last chicane and lost about 0.7sec or so.

right click, save as... 42Mb

 

[BrykeSpike0086]

Maybe you could have 2 "divisions" in each division, a grip (with sport? tires) and a drift (with N tires). And to keep the times even, maybe handicap the grip division with ballast weight or power reduction?

I suggest this because after reading WRS Week 44, some of the best drivers said they can't drift well at all. So....they might not compete in a drift only combo.

funny thing you say that, my amuse s2000 uses S3 and so does my red Skyline and both are my Ace drift cars...

if I had something to record my works...

 

[Sheron]

Other type of "grip vs drift" test: Yesterday I did the IA-6 license test. Here's a short video: right click, save as... (10Mb) The car is the CPU demo run in gold time, I'm the ghost.