Y Sim Tyres?

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I really don't understand y ppl have 2 use sim tyres 2 pull off drifts when u can just do the same thing with Super Softs? Plus; when u're using sim tyres 2 pull off drifts, u have 2 sacrafice heapz of time, because, unless u can control the car with sim tyres around a hairpin @ around 130-140km/h, then u won't get low times. The drift that i'm talking about is not what some guys r doing(a drift that looks very very good, but goes at around 50km/h and plus on one track it's just totally unneccessary 2 drift every corner as some ppl say they do. Mayb some ppl just can't make out which corners are neccessary 4 drift and which corners aren't.
 
You don't have to use sim tires, but like you said, it is harder. I use them for the same reason I've never used an Escudo in a race, I like a challenge.
 
People who drift all corners want a superb replay.
Personally I drift with "grippy" slicks rather than sim tyres.
I've tried with sims and it was difficult to contol the car. But it depence on the driver.
 
exactly, and i just find it much ezr when i use the supersofts, but some ppl on this forum disagree because they don't think that supersoft tyres can drift because they have 2 much grip, but i don't think so because as long as ur other components' settings fit with the supersoft tyres, then they will perform just as drifty as sim tyres if needbe
 
True about super soft tire, they drift fast and they drift crazy, it depends on the person that knows GT3, if your into GT3, then u can do a lot of things with super soft tires, when i first start GT3 drifting, i used super soft tired, It dont matter about how many Hp the car has, because it u need the setting for it to drift, what i mean is a ver good drifting setting, but grip drift is better, u dont need to get all sideways for drifting, as long as ur tire has smoke while turning, then your drifting, but i prefer you want to go faster with little bit sideway only, not fully because fully makes it slow, thats why drifting is the best
 
Originally posted by TakumiAE86
I really don't understand y ppl have 2 use sim tyres 2 pull off drifts when u can just do the same thing with Super Softs? Plus; when u're using sim tyres 2 pull off drifts, u have 2 sacrafice heapz of time, because, unless u can control the car with sim tyres around a hairpin @ around 130-140km/h, then u won't get low times. The drift that i'm talking about is not what some guys r doing(a drift that looks very very good, but goes at around 50km/h and plus on one track it's just totally unneccessary 2 drift every corner as some ppl say they do. Mayb some ppl just can't make out which corners are neccessary 4 drift and which corners aren't.


People use sim tires because sim tires simulated real driving better than any other tire in the game. It has nothing to do with speed, no one has ever said drifting with sim tires is fast, and that is never ones goal when exhibition drifting. 4-wheel drifting is a completely different story most of the drifting discussed in this forum is exhibition, and has almost nothing to do with a racing 4-wheel drift. These topics should be kept separated to avoid confusion between the two. So what I’m about to discuss applies to exhibition drifting only.

Drifting with sims seems hard, and it is, especially if you don't have a wheel, but it also gives you more control. Now when I say control that doesn't mean it’s easy. It means that when you are drifting, sims will respond better to less input, meaning that it’s harder to balance the drift but there is more possibility to over or under steer when and if you need it; that’s what control is to me. To have that same feeling with super soft tires it would require 1000hp+. And at that point the car's brakes can't really handle the high speed; it's just not so much fun IMO. Sim tires also allow you to extend your drifts even if you only have 200-300 hp you can still power over and keep drifting when you need it. Contrary to lets say, medium tires with 600-700hp if the drift angle becomes too small (by some error, nobodies perfect) then car wont be able to power over in more situations, or will just grip on those really long corners. Now I do believe that if you don't have a wheel drifting is more enjoyable with softer tiers to begin and then work your way down to sports or normals with about 400-600 hp this will allow for the longest and best possible drifts with out too much of that "arcade" look and feel. Now when I am racing against the AI, I use softer tires usually mediums or less, and I do drift; usually the car doesn’t have enough power to get around the longer corners, unless I get the car really sideways, but then there is little to no exit speed, so it’s pointless. On the shorter to medium length corners (like on midfield) they work great and it’s still faster than the AI so it’s a lot of fun.

Note: This applies to mostly to FR drifting; drifting AWD with Sims or softer tires has different advantages/disadvantages.

Anyways I hope I have given and unbiased view of why I use sims, I think it will apply to other people too. If anyone says that drifting with soft tires or drifting with sim tires is the ONLY way to go, well then they are missing out, since both have advantages and disadvantages. I think a good drifter should be able you use, and enjoy both methods.
 
Yep.

I always drift with sim tyres and try to keep the car power as low as possible while still managing to do perfect drifts...

Like with the new model MR2 I had something around 260bhp.
 
My 240sx has 286hp and I've almost drifted the large corner on Super Speedway using sims, I don't think you can do that with Super Softs.
 
I hate sim tires. To me it's nothing like real-world drifting. It's just too slow and more of a controlled "slide". I preffer medium or soft tires.
 
Originally posted by enKrypt
My 240sx has 286hp and I've almost drifted the large corner on Super Speedway using sims, I don't think you can do that with Super Softs.

you almost did ehy? WELL keep on fdoing it man. you will be able to do it. i did it with my altezza! :D and i think sim "TIRES" are the best. you can drift REALLY long with them. unlike super soft, you cant do much unless the car is FAST! like the supra get's over a 900Hp i think. that is when you use super soft.
 
I don't like drifting on sims just cuz its so slow, but that doesn't mean I don't respect anyone who does. Drifting on sims is harder than any other tire by a long shot and requires great skill to make it look good. To say you drift on sims means you mastered GT3 cuz there is no harder skill than that, IMO.
 
Originally posted by Option2
I hate sim tires. To me it's nothing like real-world drifting. It's just too slow and more of a controlled "slide". I preffer medium or soft tires.

Isn't it supposed to be controlled?

I'm exhibition, don't really care about speed, just as long as it looks good :cool:
 
Originally posted by SPiDEY
Isn't it supposed to be controlled?

I'm exhibition, don't really care about speed, just as long as it looks good :cool:


I preffer to have the tires spinning and the engine screaming through the corner while drifting. The effect just isn't the same with Sim Tires. Just doesn't seem realistic.
 
Originally posted by enKrypt
My 240sx has 286hp and I've almost drifted the large corner on Super Speedway using sims, I don't think you can do that with Super Softs.
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Try up-ing the HP to about 350hp for that particular corner it will help you get around it. But remember to change it back cus it wont be fun on a tight track.
 
I pretty much made it around the entire thing, I had to pull the e-brake at the end though. I was probably 31/32 of the way through when I came out of the drift.
 
Simple, sim tyres are more realistic. I haven't used any other tyres for months. The last time i tried soft tyres it just felt really weird.. the car loses it's characteristics and it feels almost like driving on rails. Supersofts have almost unreal grip.
Also, for drifting you'd need unreal power as well.

Drifting isn't slow. I drove 20 laps on deep forest by drifting, then another 10 by grip driving. The drift time was unreachable by grip driving. Naturally, both the drift time and grip time were with sim tyres.

Sims might feel unrealistic cause they don't offer much grip, but really, if you go full throttle with a real 200bhp FC for example, you'll end up spinning the wheels just as much as in GT3 with the same car. With soft tyres the differences between the cars don't come up, whereas with sims you can feel a huge difference in grip between an S2000 and a 86, if they have the same horsepower.
I'd say it's because the S2000 has really wide tyres compared to the 86... correct me if i'm wrong.
 
i tired of these people.........to me i think the people who use sim tires aint got enough skill to drift with slick........they can handle it cause to the it would eventually grip. whatever that exibition drift i say sucks...it aint nothin without the speed......speed is the most thrilling thing about racing.........sim. tire cut that way out of the picture.........sim tire suck for drifting and racing........too slow........

peace out!
 
Originally posted by huZba
you can feel a huge difference in grip between an S2000 and a 86, if they have the same horsepower.
I'd say it's because the S2000 has really wide tyres compared to the 86... correct me if i'm wrong.


I'd say it's because of the superior 50/50 weight distribution the AE86 has.
 
Originally posted by akina_86
i tired of these people.........to me i think the people who use sim tires aint got enough skill to drift with slick........they can handle it cause to the it would eventually grip. whatever that exibition drift i say sucks...it aint nothin without the speed......speed is the most thrilling thing about racing.........sim. tire cut that way out of the picture.........sim tire suck for drifting and racing........too slow........

peace out!

You're stupid. How many people do you see with the 800hp cars that you need to drift with Super Softs? Sim tires are more realistic, and that is plain and simple, the TRUTH. So go take you're ignorant 10 year old mouth somewhere else.
 
u dont know nothing u lucky u some where else or ill teach u a lesson u wont forget enkrypt...........

exibition hah.........too slow no wonder why they only exibition........
 
u dont know nothing u lucky u some where else or ill teach u a lesson u wont forget enkrypt...........

exibition hah.........too slow no wonder why they only exibition only........

u think ur bad enkryp. pick a car and place set a record and ill freaken out run that by so far you'll be enkrypled aight no questions asked..............
 
Just shut up fool. You're making yourself sound dumber and dumber with every attempted word that you type. I've already said I don't drift for speed. If I wanted speed I'd grip.

Edit: Ohh, and stop double posting, you're f'n obnoxious.
 
Hey, akina 86, people will drift their own ways; some people like to drift fast, and some people (like myself) strive to make them look the best we can. When you criticize our views in that manner, it makes you come out like an asshole. Furthermore,Try using grammar correctly!
 
akina 86 the reason why all person use the sim tire because
when u start drift its feel like real ,lot of smoke on the tire but taht its my reason cause its fun to see the replay when u done with it . for me its make me feel like im driving in d1 drift championship with nobuteru taneguchi,yamamoto etc.....
with my carssss . but different person different reason
SO PLZZZZ STOP ASKING WHY SIM TIRE ......:D :D :D :D :D
 
Originally posted by akina_86
i tired of these people.........to me i think the people who use sim tires aint got enough skill to drift with slick........they can handle it cause to the it would eventually grip. whatever that exibition drift i say sucks...it aint nothin without the speed......speed is the most thrilling thing about racing.........sim. tire cut that way out of the picture.........sim tire suck for drifting and racing........too slow........

peace out!

It is because of attitudes like yours, akina_86, that racism, prejudice and hypocrisy are still prevalent in our world. Learn to accept other people for what they are, or what tires they decided to use in a stupid video game! Otherwise you will be left behind with all the other truly ignorant and stupid people.
 
Originally posted by akina_86
i tired of these people.........to me i think the people who use sim tires aint got enough skill to drift with slick........they can handle it cause to the it would eventually grip. whatever that exibition drift i say sucks...it aint nothin without the speed......speed is the most thrilling thing about racing.........sim. tire cut that way out of the picture.........sim tire suck for drifting and racing........too slow........

peace out!

Simulation Tires are put in the game so that racers like you and me and other people can feel what a car would do under certain conditions. If you think that using slicks to drift is a lot faster, that's good for you but you have to remind yourself about this: THIS IS A GAME. If you say that people who drift with simulation tires suck, you might want to look at a few pictures before you start saying such criticism such as this. There are many people in this forum that use Simulation Tires (like myself) that are happy to see that the car is drifting with the car as sideways as it can go without spinning out.

Of course, speed is the essential idea of racing. People want to race with as much speed as they can get. If you want to drift and then expect to go as fast as you would taking the racing line, you might want to think about that again. The tires in the game are supposed to give the racers a feeling of the game and not real life. Games that parallel so close to reality gets so boring. That's why games like Starcraft and many other good games are different from the real world so that people can imagine. That's what Gran Turismo 3 is: it's using real life cars and giving it a "game-feeling." For people who want to get as close to reality as possible, they would use Simulation Tires so that they can drive with the feedback that is as close to reality as possible that the game can handle.

Exhibition drifting is drifting that makes people excited to watch. People like to watch cars go sideways as much as the car can handle and see if it can still be controlled. There is no crime in that. And of course, exhibition drifting is nothing because there isn't so much speed, but you didn't consider the feeling of watching cars burning rubber and the excitement in the air that it creates when cars drift with style.

Here's something that everyone should remember: Drifting is NOT about speed. It's about controlling the car to stay on a line before the fine line of control breaks. If you think that drifting is all about speed, you might want to think about it again. Drifting that people are looking for most of the time around GTPlanet.net are the ones that have lots of smoke with the car as sideways as much as it can be when it tackles a corner. Although you can four wheel drift and go faster through a turn with that kind of tactic, there is a difference between drifting and taking the racing line. If you try to drift one car on a track and then take the racing line with the same car on the same track, you may notice that the time may be higher when you drifted compared to when you took the racing line. Try it and then start talking about drifting. Drifting could help you in a few corners, but if you want to take the racing line, you'll save only a couple tenths of a second on a lap.

The other tires in the game are supposed to give the game the actual "gaming experience." It was never given the name "SIMULATION HARD" or "SIMULATION SOFT" because the game needs to have a feel where the racers can be able to choose different tires. They weren't supposed to represent reality because drifting ~60 MPH is already tough enough to control the car. If you drift in the game >85 MPH, then you should be racing professionally.

Also, I hope that the people in GTP Forums have enough respect for other people's opinions because: 1) People around the world log on to this website and 2) Many people have different ways of drifting.

Whatever you post in this forum, it shows a lot of you: how nice you are, how you are willing to talk with other people, and how people look at you. akina_86, you might want to reshape your status on GTPlanet because if you do more harsh remarks, it just shows how much you are willing to accept other people's ideas. From the other replies you posted, it shows your immaturity. There is a chance that this can change, but that's all up to you.
 
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