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You'll Get a Boost in GT Sport if You're On the FIA Championship's Winning Team
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Says what dude?
I was clearly taking the piss. And as I showed, R* have been giving players cash for ages and that never hurt their profits, obviously this won't with PD/Sony.
Or was it me calling this place a bit snarky, lol. Maybe it was calling a videogame a videogame even that see's you miss the point. Lord knows, lol.
As I said. This place has a lot of defensive people here. Have a little giggle and folk go nuts I'm digging out their game, lol.
Bless! Loosen up people.
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Greece!
This. Atleast let us know what's going on..
Haha what exactly do you mean?
Because Greece laws are 🤬 up?
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If that is true then movie actors/actresses should not be paid either as they don't feel the "pains" of real life. Same applies for many people at work being busy as hell, but actually accomplish nothing or the 5 guys next to the road digging a hole, one holds the spade and the others are watching, yet they all get paid. Having said that, the amount of time, saccrifice and effort the top guys put in e-sport gaming surely is worth worthwhile compensation, including real hard cash.
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Speaking of fia races, anyone else think it's stupid that while trying to drive a shifter cart with a steering wheel and turning anything more than a whisker leads to a spin out? The hell....
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We are all entitled to our own opinions, but on this one I feel quite different.
Just hear me out...
Where is the payment to all the young athletes of the world? Training as much as they study, paying huge enrollments/fees to be part of a competitive team/event, and more yet again to cross train... paying more yet again for specialized coaching, paying more yet again for physical therapy... breaking bones, shredding ligaments, suffering concussions, collapsing lungs, tearing up skin, long hours devoted over years to actually physically compete?
On top of all that, they then get to pay their own travel expenses, lodging, meals... and still risk expensive physical injury, not to mention risking the potential for those injuries to then effect them for the remainder of their lives...
No payout for true athletes...
They do it for the love of the sport and the desire to compete.
Look at the cost of equipment...
Back in the mid 1980's I had more into one set of ski bindings than I have in my race game/rig/ps4pro... and i had several sets of bindings on several sets of skis.
I'm talking dollar for dollar without factoring in inflation/competition equipment in today's market.
In the early/mid 2000's I had more tied up in a set of brakes on my downhill mountain bike than I have in my current GT Sport deal... and brakes are a drop in the bucket... start shopping suspension, wheels, titanium hardware/fasteners...
Sure, you can spend a great deal on a rig, but lets be honest, it's not "needed"... there are guys operating a controller sitting in a bean bag "chair" that are top ten on the boards...
You're not going to find any regional finalists in downhill skiing or mtn biking on anything but higher end equipment... may not be the best, but they sure didn't get it at Walmart... and they've all got a medical history of breaks/stitches/therapy... pushing the limits, finding the edge, paying the price.
So you look at what it takes to be competitive... as far as economic investment and physical risk... I'll admit time and commitment may be comparable...
So why should "we" feel any entitlement to compensation for sitting in our living room, hitting pause and snacking on some cake between rounds?
Minimal investment, zero risk.
I get that being good at something is special, and recognition is nice, but, that's what little medals and trophies are for...
As a silly what if...
I'm pretty awesome at drinking beer, and have years... actually decades, of committed practice and training... on several continents... under various mental/physical and environmental conditions... and am pretty sure that pound for pound I would be very competitive in an international contest... but I don't expect anyone should pay me to do so.
So... what is so wrong with expecting a bunch of "armchair wheel-men" to simply...
"Play" for the love of the sport and the desire for competition?
Investment and risk.
Reality vs game...
Perspective.
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@CLean LX - I fully agree with what you're saying, but perhaps our difference lies with the fact that "athletes" are paid too little rather than e-sport specialists gets paid too much or should not get paid. So I struggle to accept that just because certain professions are not well enough recognised/paid, others / lesser profession should suffer too. Believe me I'm not on an e-sport specialist level, but do have a few friends competing on top level.
Fees paid to sportsmen etc. are normally determined by what the sponsors / ruling bodies are prepared to pay based on what their gains from society are. For example I'm a keen golfer, but if I compare the crazy amounts that professional golfers gets paid [for hitting balls around] with the mediocre fees Olympic class athletes gets paid, then I start to wonder why. The answer is really easy, it's not what I or the community thinks, but what the ruling bodies and sponsors are willing to pay to get their "products" viewed by society. How right or wrong that may be is only in the eyes of the beholder and in this sense does not count. If then for example skilled guys like Lightning, McLaren and all the other "aliens" are "offered" money to take part or to drive a certain car, I believe they deserve whatever they get from it. It's not their fault that that's how society operates, neither have I saw/heard them feeling entitled to it. You take what the world offers you.
Perhaps we should just agree to disagree, but even then our opinions does not count. What's wrong or right does not count. What morality requires does not count. What do count is what the world are prepared to pay.
Peace
Fees paid to sportsmen etc. are normally determined by what the sponsors / ruling bodies are prepared to pay based on what their gains from society are. For example I'm a keen golfer, but if I compare the crazy amounts that professional golfers gets paid [for hitting balls around] with the mediocre fees Olympic class athletes gets paid, then I start to wonder why. The answer is really easy, it's not what I or the community thinks, but what the ruling bodies and sponsors are willing to pay to get their "products" viewed by society. How right or wrong that may be is only in the eyes of the beholder and in this sense does not count. If then for example skilled guys like Lightning, McLaren and all the other "aliens" are "offered" money to take part or to drive a certain car, I believe they deserve whatever they get from it. It's not their fault that that's how society operates, neither have I saw/heard them feeling entitled to it. You take what the world offers you.
Perhaps we should just agree to disagree, but even then our opinions does not count. What's wrong or right does not count. What morality requires does not count. What do count is what the world are prepared to pay.
Peace
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@FA Racing , no need to agree to disagree... with your explanation, I believe we are on the same page/paragraph/sentence/word.
Indeed the elite gamers should take what is offered, but you will never find me lobbying for real world physical payment of gamers...
If those same people want to use those skills in the auto industry to make vehicles/roads safer, or fly drones for the weather/forestry service... great, put those skills to real world use and earn compensation.
But for being good at a game, sorry, I cannot find it in me to push for real world funds.
What is even more telling at how much we are on the same page is this...
I went back through this post to quote the individual that noted maybe actors/actresses shouldn't be paid, and realized it was you.
"I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV"... that's a comical antidote, but, the reality of it is sad, as, the actor is compensated more than the professional. What's worse is these actors then spout off their moral and political views as standards, when, they are less in touch with reality than the deranged homeless person on the corner begging for their supper...
Then these same "clowns" get together a few times a year to reward one another... for pretending to be something they are not!!!
It's a mockery of, or, a joke on modern society as far as I'm concerned.
A few hundred years ago, "entertainers" were at the bottom of the food chain... man they sure played that well.
I think you should be proud that your country takes this stance.
Maybe they want the folks that are intelligent/talented/committed enough to excel at a game actually contribute to society rather than sit in a living room playing said game in hopes of making a couple bux through some lottery/luck system.
Indeed the elite gamers should take what is offered, but you will never find me lobbying for real world physical payment of gamers...
If those same people want to use those skills in the auto industry to make vehicles/roads safer, or fly drones for the weather/forestry service... great, put those skills to real world use and earn compensation.
But for being good at a game, sorry, I cannot find it in me to push for real world funds.
What is even more telling at how much we are on the same page is this...
I went back through this post to quote the individual that noted maybe actors/actresses shouldn't be paid, and realized it was you.
"I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV"... that's a comical antidote, but, the reality of it is sad, as, the actor is compensated more than the professional. What's worse is these actors then spout off their moral and political views as standards, when, they are less in touch with reality than the deranged homeless person on the corner begging for their supper...
Then these same "clowns" get together a few times a year to reward one another... for pretending to be something they are not!!!
It's a mockery of, or, a joke on modern society as far as I'm concerned.
A few hundred years ago, "entertainers" were at the bottom of the food chain... man they sure played that well.
Devil's advocate...
I think you should be proud that your country takes this stance.
Maybe they want the folks that are intelligent/talented/committed enough to excel at a game actually contribute to society rather than sit in a living room playing said game in hopes of making a couple bux through some lottery/luck system.
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I am not a fan of the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality that the world has fallen into. If you didn't put in the effort to be competitive enough to win/place/whatever when it counts, you should get nothing save the sting of disappointment and let that drive you to do better....or find something else you are better at. None of this "good try, here's a shiny thing".
Harsh when looking at it in words but I feel like we're raising a society of whiny marshmallows with an enormous sense of entitlement. Go visit the update threads for proof.
That said, I see this as a way to drive participation. Even in this thread there are the folks saying they get more for doing almost anything else. And....? You got nothing for it before (which, as above, I was OK with). If someone now gets a couple credits or ME points, maybe they put in the 40 minutes to run a quali lap and do a race.
/grumpyrant
Harsh when looking at it in words but I feel like we're raising a society of whiny marshmallows with an enormous sense of entitlement. Go visit the update threads for proof.
That said, I see this as a way to drive participation. Even in this thread there are the folks saying they get more for doing almost anything else. And....? You got nothing for it before (which, as above, I was OK with). If someone now gets a couple credits or ME points, maybe they put in the 40 minutes to run a quali lap and do a race.
/grumpyrant
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Man i almost thought you would end your rant telling people to stay off your lawn
.But about your concerns of participation trophies that's not a exclusive thing for GT Sport,online gaming is built on this tactic,give the player some XP or little prize for doing next to nothing so he keeps coming back to play more,it might be a bad thing but that's how it is for casuals(which make the most of any game's playbase).
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I'm pretty confident to be honest.
Even if I use a GTS Edition DS4.
I think I'd have a friendly rival - B_Gatos
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