Your Opinion

  • Thread starter Robbyelder
  • 75 comments
  • 2,999 views

MR's & FR's in major events together

  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .
Robbyelder

Robbyelder

(Banned)
429
United States
Ozark,Ark
DriftT3K-OGFORD
I would just like to get the community's general opinion on the topic of MR drivetrain vs FR drivetrain. The questions I want your opinions on are.

1- Why is it or what advantages do MR's have against FR's.

2- If you could run MR's in Formula Drift or VDC what car would you choose.

3- If MR's where to get accepted how would you restrict them so it would be fair for FR cars.

Rules of thread

Respect the AUP

Respect others opinions.

Explain in detail your answers.

No negativity if your having a bad day don't bring it in this thread.
........................................................................................................
 
Last edited:
Edit: lol, sorry, forgot to say it.

1. I don't know the difference on drifting them.

2. Probably a Mk2 Toyota MR-2 GT-S.

3. I think it doesn't need to recieve a restriction, since it would not be overpowered.

-----------------------------------------------------

Edit the title. "Your", because You're means "you are".
 
1- Why is it or what advantages do MR's have against FR's.

MR's have a better weight balance then most FR's. This allows for more angle and with that angle more speed.

2- If you could run MR's in Formula Drift or VDC what car would you choose.

If MR's were allowed I would most likely use my NSX. I like MR's because they are smooth, but most people do not accept them due to the above reasons.

3- If MR's where to get accepted how would you restrict them so it would be fair for FR cars.

It is hard to restrict certain drive trains. All of my cars are 600 PP or below, my MR's are my fastest again due to there weight balance. 👍
 
MR's are purely too fast through and out of corners due to the centre of weight. This ruins balance in drift battles for the same reason there are power limits.
 
I respect all of you for answering but it just burns me up that they will not allow them in because they do not irl. I understand they want fairness but it just isn't fair in my head that I cant run my FORD GT. But I run 550hp I can tandem with most any car even a dang silvia. But like spank said If I want them so bad start my own event. I wish I had the time and I would.
 
Robbyelder
I respect all of you for answering but it just burns me up that they will not allow them in because they do not irl. I understand they want fairness but it just isn't fair in my head that I cant run my FORD GT. But I run 550hp I can tandem with most any car even a dang silvia. But like spank said If I want them so bad start my own event. I wish I had the time and I would.
Click to expand...

But can that Silvia tandem with your GT? I could be wrong, but I highly doubt there are many people out there who have any kind of Silvia that can tandem behind a Ford GT while maintaining any form of respectable angle.

I have nothing against MR cars of any kind...I enjoy driving them from time to time. I have to agree with Eric and CG though, in any given HP range, the MR cars always feel faster, especially at mid corner and corner exit. They also seem to gain speed much quicker/easier during transitions made under acceleration.

I'm not a huge fan of the way the GTP community "black lists" so many cars, as I feel it really pigeon holes everyone into using the same cars....but at the same time, I understand why people ban certain cars from comps in the name of fairness.

In the specific case of your Ford GT, I would be inclined to ban it from a comp for the same reasons cars like 'Vettes and Vipers are banned, not specifically because it is MR. I would ban it based off of the combo of the amount of power the motor makes, the way it makes the power (NA, not Turbo), the amount of torque the motor makes (and maintains high torque levels even when power is limited), the width of the read tires and the way that car puts power to the road (like the 'Vette and Viper, it feels like it has much more grip and forward bite compared to most other cars).

All that said, I think it would be very interesting (from a video game perspective...not making any comparisons to real life) to see a completely "open drift comp" run by someone on GTP. No restrictions (except tires, and perhaps no racecars) on HP, drivetrain, or car model. I think it would be cool to see a comp filled with 'Vettes, Vipers, GTs, Austin Martins, Ferraris, etc etc. or is that how things were back in the day, before I joined GTP lol??
 
1- Why is it or what advantages do MR's have against FR's.

Like peeps above stated: Speed advantages.

2- If you could run MR's in Formula Drift or VDC what car would you choose.

I would never drift one.

3- If MR's where to get accepted how would you restrict them so it would be fair for FR cars.

I wouldn't, I would not participate in the event.

All this, because of a simple fact. Everytime i see people in MR's, they're ruining the tandems. I don't care what people say, but MR - FR will never work as good as FR - FR, which is the point of drifting imo.

Just my opinion really.
 
Robbyelder
1- Why is it or what advantages do MR's have against FR's.

2- If you could run MR's in Formula Drift or VDC what car would you choose.

3- If MR's where to get accepted how would you restrict them so it would be fair for FR cars.
Click to expand...

If a car could be compared to a broom, and you was trying to equilibrate this this broom on the top of your hand, if the broom is upside down with the "head" on the top, its easier to equilibrate. This is FR. And if his "head" is on botton, you can even equilibrate then, but your arm will need to make longer movements to balance that broom. This is MR.

1 - In my opinion and based on what i feel, they have diferent centers of mass with not that similar weight transition responses, and even with front ballast, the MRs takes benefit of more weight pressing the rear grip while accelerating. Otherwise, MRs and RRs normaly have a backbiting behavior after a massive amount of angle. Doesn´t mater how technical the driver is or how finetuned the car is; its an issue that must be taken in consideration.

2 - Something really exotic and ridiculous. Nah, im kidding... actualy i really do have some admiration for the Renault Clio V6, that MR that witch looks an ordinary FF. But only because its weirdo, not because its fast or competitive...

3 - 60/40 weight distribuition, no mater how many ballast it should be put in, and no rear wings. Kidding again. Honestly, even between FR cars there are gaps of performance and i don´t see people getting into any kind of agreement to adjust it. In case of MR cars, i think the biggest penalty to minimize any impression of superiority is a wise selection of tracks and sections. Some sections are not that friendly to MRs.
 
The only difference between MR and FR cars, that is present in almost all of them, is the drivetrain responsiveness (shorter drive shaft) and the polar moment of inertia.

However, MR cars tend to be built to a higher spec, with a stiffer chassis and higher-quality engines. (for example, the torque curve of the 430 Scuderia is about perfect) and have higher revving engines, which means more spinning for a given torque. This allows the wheels to spin while propelling the car forward better, resulting in a faster corner for a given angle.

So while I would never condone banning MR cars, I would find it necessary to not allow cars of different quality classes to compete. I would like to see a drift competition where the price of the vehicle + upgrades had some impact on its standings, either within a budget or with a comparable trade-off in requirements. This is not about MR cars as much as it is about high-spec ones.

As for weight distribution, the Ballast makes this almost a negligible point, although some heavy 60/40 weight distribution vehicles may be very limited in their tuning.

For most vehicles, ranging from RUF to Ferrari, I find that MR cars just do not have enough power to compensate for the added grip. I have to run very high gear ratios to get the right ratios of torque and grip.

Lastly, I find that the skill gaps between drifters is often is a larger determinant than quality of the cars, though car quality matters more if a single drifter is looking to improve to the best possible limit of performance.
 
Last edited:
As primarily an RR drifter (Ruf BTR) I think any "advantage" that an RR or MR chassis would have would simply be a disadvantage in other categories..also like any other chassis, tuning is the key; the BTR, or at least the Porsche 930 it's based from, was designed to be rotationally unstable but to have rear grip to overcome that. Thus is born a chassis that is dominant in grip categories, but not so much in drifting circles..as far as I know the only professional to run an RR chassis in competition was Tyler McQuarrie,and from what I remember, whilst entry speeds were top of the field, mid drift stability was lacking... there shouldn't be restrictions in certain cars (nsx, rx7, mk4 supra, vette, viper) because, with the exception of the nsx, they are all tried and true drift chassis...just put lower pp limits on them....but there will continue to be restrictions because it always seems many of the users of the aforementioned chassis have made it their top priority to get through judged corners as quickly as possible..sigh
 
Eric1512
1- Why is it or what advantages do MR's have against FR's.

MR's have a better weight balance then most FR's. This allows for more angle and with that angle more speed.

2- If you could run MR's in Formula Drift or VDC what car would you choose.

If MR's were allowed I would most likely use my NSX. I like MR's because they are smooth, but most people do not accept them due to the above reasons.

3- If MR's where to get accepted how would you restrict them so it would be fair for FR cars.

It is hard to restrict certain drive trains. All of my cars are 600 PP or below, my MR's are my fastest again due to there weight balance. 👍
Click to expand...

I have to disagree Eric because MR's don't have that much of an advantage besides better weight for instance the MR2 has a bad over steer problem and the NSX under steer and just not a really good drift car, sure you can tune them but still you can add ballast and have a 50 50 weight plus once you do that or even more like a 48 52 weight the FR at that point would be fast as hell so in all honesty in my opinion there evenly matched and would be a great challenge :D
 
I like pretty much every drive train that is RWD. In my experience it really is the tune and driver.

Take this car for example (one of the cars I drifted back when I was in GTDS)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3THvi2xZzM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It wasn't too fast in any way. I tuned it to follow 86 Levins
It was a great car and it was MR.
No one had a problem following me at all.

Here is another MR i drifted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPODYxQd1ME&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It was another example.


Anyone who knew me when I drifted Mrs knew they wouldn't have a problem with following me.

The GT by Citroen i drifted i had some amazing tandems with tom's chasers (RedSuns Asa example) and S-Chassis didn't have much problems either.

A few people that were experienced with the 240sx have had amazing tandems with me too.

So i disagree with MRs having a big advantage over FRs because it is really about tunes and driver experience

Also I forgot to mention. Another reason i don't mind different drive trains is because I usually go by D1GP rules anyway and "only drive methods allowed shall be FR, MR, RR, and FF" (that is straight out of the D1GP rules and regulations handbook)
 
Last edited:
twitcher
All that said, I think it would be very interesting (from a video game perspective...not making any comparisons to real life) to see a completely "open drift comp" run by someone on GTP. No restrictions (except tires, and perhaps no racecars) on HP, drivetrain, or car model. I think it would be cool to see a comp filled with 'Vettes, Vipers, GTs, Austin Martins, Ferraris, etc etc. or is that how things were back in the day, before I joined GTP lol??
Click to expand...

I've recently joined a comp like this. Only restrictions were tires and drivetrains (only RWD cars, of course). I used my RX-8 and went up against an NSX, and SYND1-TURBOLAG used his FD Spirit R and went up against a C6 Vette. Me and TURBOLAG made it to the finals. It was great fun. :D I wish comps were always like that, all for fun and all in the name of fun. :)

Robbyelder
1- Why is it or what advantages do MR's have against FR's.

2- If you could run MR's in Formula Drift or VDC what car would you choose.

3- If MR's where to get accepted how would you restrict them so it would be fair for FR cars.
Click to expand...

As for this...

1. See posts from other members above. :D :lol:

2. Hmm, I think I'd bring out my NSX-R NA2 or SW20 G-Limited. The NSX-R because I'm a Honda fan, and the SW20 because it's my main car in Initial D Arcade Stage 4 :embarrassed:

3. I think what I would do is prohibit MR cars from using rear wings. But then again, I've seen some MR drifters go fast without them. So yeah, what I mean is that this third question is very hard to answer.


EDIT: There should be an added option in the poll: "Undecided" :D
 
Last edited:
I think there is nothing wrong with different drive trains going against each other. If you can tandem with them than you should be able to drift them. Ive drifted MR, FR, RR, AWD, and even went sliding through turns in a FF, and the MR definitly didnt come out on top. All about how long you have used the car, and how used to the track you are.. HP doesnt even decide the races. I've beaten 600-800HP monsters with my little 300hp comp car.


One of those 800HP cars i've followed is a mustang, don't know if that shows hp doesnt matter but oh well.
 
Last edited:
I personally wouldn't mind goin against an mr car. I have beaten them before in an fr .there really isn't much advantage in my opinion.
 
Last edited:
Thanks for everyones opinions there great keep em up. And way to go on not blowing up on one another means alot when we can have good threads without mods telling us how we should be posting.
 
Oh yea btw, you can't use the weight distribution against the MR's, you can have FR with a 50/50 distribution. I would know because I have alot of my drift cars as 50/50.

1. Only advantage MR's could have against FR's is if the FR had to much power.

2. I'd choose my NSX LM Race Car. Why? Because I like to look like a pro. boosts confidence.

3. There is no need to restrict them. FR's and MR's can co-exist in competition's and be evenly matched, you just have to try. 600hp FR vs. a 400hp MR, thats not fair. Because the MR is going to win unless it's an experienced driver behind the FR or if a rookie is behind the MR. OR both.
 
LPTuner
Oh yea btw, you can't use the weight distribution against the MR's, you can have FR with a 50/50 distribution. I would know because I have alot of my drift cars as 50/50.

1. Only advantage MR's could have against FR's is if the FR had to much power.

2. I'd choose my NSX LM Race Car. Why? Because I like to look like a pro. boosts confidence.

3. There is no need to restrict them. FR's and MR's can co-exist in competition's and be evenly matched, you just have to try. 600hp FR vs. a 400hp MR, thats not fair. Because the MR is going to win unless it's an experienced driver behind the FR or if a rookie is behind the MR. OR both.
Click to expand...

An MR will always be at an advantage. Having said this before, tandems will never look as good between MR - FR and FR- FR. Those that disagree should visit some of the Burst lobbies ^^ (Just kidding :P) But really, I've tried so often to drift an NSX because it's a beautiful car. She just doesn't feel right.
I haven't found a single MR that I like, if anyone could point me to some cars, I'd be grateful for that.
 
Nydoria start with a stock ford gt and put a wing on it and play with the settings and buy parts till you have something you like
 
I have entered several open comps with a MR(Lotus Espirit). Even at 500hp when most were running 600+ They could not keep up.
 
Again it's all about feel. As I've said in another lobby, drifting is all about the feel of the car. I'f FR doesn't fit you but MR does, than what? I know I wouldn't want to go to a lobby and say "Hey guys, lets do a comp"-pulls out MR car- host" Hey MR isn't allowed in comp's.. go to GTP you'll see alot of people saying it, even that one thread that was created and has a poll for it." Gee I feel sorry for that guy :/ but oh it's not anyof you so you don't mind.
 
fastfox400
I tune the suspension for maximum grip on racing hards, then throw the car on comfort hards and tune the trans to allow the suspension to due its job correctly.
Click to expand...

That is an interesting way to look at things, I might try that.
 
The only one I can really give my opinion to is question #1 and this is pointing to GT5.
I would have to say that MR cars have a very unique way/style of drifting that gives them the advantage of "point and shoot". I say this because of the way the engine is positioned in the middle of the car, it serves as a kind of pivot point. This pivot point give the driver the freedom to change direction in drifts at any given time. The down side would have to be that these cars can snap loose unexpectedly.
As for FR cars, I would say they are a little more "heavy" in the rear and makes for a slightly slower switch up in between drifts, but this creates a more stable drift. The down side here is because if the momentum in a drift isn't controlled, the car can spin out pretty easily
This is just from my experiences. Not speaking for Everyone here
 
Editor GEAR
The only one I can really give my opinion to is question #1 and this is pointing to GT5.
I would have to say that MR cars have a very unique way/style of drifting that gives them the advantage of "point and shoot". I say this because of the way the engine is positioned in the middle of the car, it serves as a kind of pivot point. This pivot point give the driver the freedom to change direction in drifts at any given time. The down side would have to be that these cars can snap loose unexpectedly.
As for FR cars, I would say they are a little more "heavy" in the rear and makes for a slightly slower switch up in between drifts, but this creates a more stable drift. The down side here is because if the momentum in a drift isn't controlled, the car can spin out pretty easily
This is just from my experiences. Not speaking for Everyone here
Click to expand...

Agreed. They all have their up's, but nothings perfect. They have down sides too.
 
Eric1512
That is an interesting way to look at things, I might try that.
Click to expand...

I used to do that and still do sometimes... I had forgotten that I have done this with fastfox too.
 

Similar threads

Sonygamer455
  • Poll
Autotune in Music - What's your opinion on it?
Replies
8
Views
3K
sirjim73
sirjim73
D
I created an app that'll let you randomly pick cars and tracks for lobbies since GT7 doesn't have Shuffle Car
Replies
0
Views
952
DJ Brohawk
D
Robbyelder
  • Poll
Community or Dictatorship
2 3
Replies
70
Views
3K
Lock2Lock
Lock2Lock
shoenboggie
GTP_WRS Week 16: Kyoto Your Enthusiasm
2
Replies
56
Views
5K
chimeleon
chimeleon
Allibubba99
GTP_WRS Week 25: S-FR East at Suzuka
Replies
26
Views
4K
Obelisk
Obelisk

Latest Posts

Back