They may not use comfort tyres in the real world. But this is GT5 and the comfort tyres are the closest selection of tyres compared to the real world. Sure they are still very different but much closer than sports and much much closer than racing tyres. With comfort tyres you can hold a nice, smooth slide that is very consistent. Sports on the other hand are very in-consistent tyres meaning you can't get slide after slide of smooth drifting at a reasonably realistic drifting speed.
Community or Dictatorship
- Thread starter Robbyelder
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They may not use comfort tyres in the real world. But this is GT5 and the comfort tyres are the closest selection of tyres compared to the real world. Sure they are still very different but much closer than sports and much much closer than racing tyres. With comfort tyres you can hold a nice, smooth slide that is very consistent. Sports on the other hand are very in-consistent tyres meaning you can't get slide after slide of smooth drifting at a reasonably realistic drifting speed.
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- Duman079
When I was new, I wasn't open to new stuff as well. But as days passed, I realised everyone should let people go all the way they like. Everyone should be able to look for support here, or ask for help. There is no thing as bad or good. Some people don't have all the time to practice like most of us on GTP had/have, I don't mind if they use AWD or sport hard. But when you're willing to put time and effort in it, you should look for a team/group and practice with the things that give the most realistic effect of drifing in game.
So when it comes to drifting with a group of people, you should be open to change your state of mind at that moment and just have fun with eachother and accept the demands of the group where you've settled.
Fact is that over 80 percent of this forum is used co CH tires and RWD.... and somethings will never change.
So when it comes to drifting with a group of people, you should be open to change your state of mind at that moment and just have fun with eachother and accept the demands of the group where you've settled.
Fact is that over 80 percent of this forum is used co CH tires and RWD.... and somethings will never change.
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- DarkPikachu212
I voted dictatorship and ill tell you why. Not because of tires and rules, I believe that we all run those because they are the best and keep things running smooth.
I believe that its a dictatorship because teams form there own little empire to back each other up, giving "noobs" more respect/credit than they deserve. Forum favoritism...
I believe that its a dictatorship because teams form there own little empire to back each other up, giving "noobs" more respect/credit than they deserve. Forum favoritism...
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- FRAG-ME-CG
You're saying it's a dictatorship because we welcome new teams with potential?
I think you may have misunderstood what a dictatorship is...
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- LazyLiquid
I prefer monarchy...
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- DarkPikachu212
GODfreyGT5
I never said anything about welcoming new teams...
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Robbyelder
To question number 1.
A lot of us hold events such as comps and championships all the time. A lot of people here are in them. No problem with that at all.
To question number 2
The problem with AWD cars is plainly this.
Most of the drifting community likes to run events as realistically as the real life events such as D1GP and Formula Drift. In these competitions AWD cars are banned for many reasons. In D1GP it says in chapter one "the only drift methods allowed shall be FR, MR, RR, and FF" If you don't believe me look here...
http://www.d1gp.com/latest/d1gp-rule-book
So pretty much that is the reason for not allowing AWD cars.
For question number 3
Do you mean letting the AWDs in? Because what i wrote is the reason.
But if you meant something different please explain further.
I hope this helps you understand what many have asked. And there's no harm in asking
You're saying that it's a dictatorship because we give newcomers too much respect/credit. Either you are crazy or you need to fix any typo's you made.
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D-Max
We dont give new comers too much credit...
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- x_XNyordiaX_x
I don't think a lot of people on GT5 have the skillset needed to drift sport tires on a decent basis. I said most, not all.
You simply cannot compare the professional drifters irl, who have been doing their stuff for years and are true masters of their art, to some of the 13y olds on GT5.
What Frag said about the 'real' drifting is true. That's how it started, and how it should stay in my opinion.
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- JDM_Tuning_JR86
I feel the thread title is asking a different question to what is being asked in the first post. The first post is more talking about issues in the community rather than explaining more why we act as a dictatorship. I see what Robby is getting at by asking why we hate on 4WD and etc but in answer to the thread title, I believe that this is a drift community
A dictatorship would imply one person or a select group would say what has to be done. A community agrees (and sometimes disagrees) about actions within the community as a whole i.e. 4WD drifting. It's not a dictatorship because we as a community have the same ideas about drifting that can sometimes vary. And I'm not just talking about the GTP drift community, I'm talking about the whole GT5 drift community.
In answer to the first post questions:
1.) If by "out of the norm" you mean not running competitions, there is nothing wrong. Teams run normal, open rooms all of the time
2.) Been explained enough
3.) We run "intricate events" because we are dealing with top drifters here on GTP. There is nothing wrong with a simple battle but there is nothing wrong with a big comp either. In some ways it can be better because there is more organization.
A dictatorship would imply one person or a select group would say what has to be done. A community agrees (and sometimes disagrees) about actions within the community as a whole i.e. 4WD drifting. It's not a dictatorship because we as a community have the same ideas about drifting that can sometimes vary. And I'm not just talking about the GTP drift community, I'm talking about the whole GT5 drift community.
In answer to the first post questions:
1.) If by "out of the norm" you mean not running competitions, there is nothing wrong. Teams run normal, open rooms all of the time
2.) Been explained enough
3.) We run "intricate events" because we are dealing with top drifters here on GTP. There is nothing wrong with a simple battle but there is nothing wrong with a big comp either. In some ways it can be better because there is more organization.
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SKOT_FREE
To this.
Yes in real life D1 and FD no they don't use comfort hard tires they use a simular tire to sport tires.
BUT.... The problem with the people like you that think that just because in real life they use a tire like sports tires in GT5 that they are the same. They are not the same. Let me inform you about this because this has been discussed in many ways and many times.
In real life they use a tire that looks like sports tires in GT5.
But with GT5'S tire physics they don't match the compound on how the car handles with them on.
This has been tested many times. And the conclusion it that the closest to the real life tires used to drift are equaled to comfort tires (closest in those three tires in the comfort tires are comfort hard and comfort mediums).
It really doesn't matter about the look of them it ends up being the conclusion about the tires on real life vs. in the game. The problem is the physics in GT5 not anyone's logic.
Once people realize this sooner we all can agree on this subject.
jrkiwiboy
Totally agree
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- Lizardsoup
Drift how you want to drift, but if you want to enter a competition or something, there are rules to conform to. It's the same in real life. If a comp requires CH and RWD, guess what. You need to use CH and RWD. On your own, if 10/90 AWD and SS are your game, go for it.
I still don't fully understand everyone's obsession with CH tires, but going from DS3 to wheel, I can kind of see some of the reasoning when comparing to real life.
I still don't fully understand everyone's obsession with CH tires, but going from DS3 to wheel, I can kind of see some of the reasoning when comparing to real life.
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- Lizardsoup
If your comprehension extended to the rest of the sentence, you will see that I start to agree from the wheel perspective. On DS3, it always felt like ice to me. I always preferred to use CS on DS3.
(Also, that is me in my avatar. Please don't assume I don't know what real life feels like.)
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Chocobos
In a sense yes i do agree. But still sports tires are just shy of racing slicks that's the problem. Some say that with sports it requires a lot of skill i say it requires a lot of HP to keep connecting a whole track with sports.
Plus not to mention drifting isn't about speed at all. It's about art. Not snappy nonsense you know what i mean?
And by the way when I post something the whole thing isn't always about one person just because I only quoted one person. Some of it was just in general. Sorry if it looked like I was attacking you
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- Lizardsoup
I wasn't necessarily taking it as an attack. More or less information to help back up my experience so that I'm not talking nonsense to other people, I suppose.
I do agree that sports tires do lack realistic characteristics that would make them a suitable drift tire, but it's not all entirely down to tire choice. There are certain cars that I have that do drift better (more controllable, easier to maintain, etc) on a higher grip compound than lower grip, however, these cars are for my enjoyment only. In my original post, I pointed out that if you want to do that, it should be fine, but if you want to compete, you must conform to rules.
About speed: I think speed is a huge factor in drifting. Speed isn't only dictated by tires, but by many things: amount of angle, line, setup of the car, ability of the driver, etc. Drifting has evolved past the point of it being "art" to it being a motorsport. Speed is measured in real life events (and is a criteria for a majority of them) for a few reasons. In Formula D, practice speeds are averaged to come up with the speed qualifying score points for example. If you can't reach those speeds, you won't have a chance at the door to door action the judges ask for in driver meetings, or the fans want for that matter.
I do agree that sports tires do lack realistic characteristics that would make them a suitable drift tire, but it's not all entirely down to tire choice. There are certain cars that I have that do drift better (more controllable, easier to maintain, etc) on a higher grip compound than lower grip, however, these cars are for my enjoyment only. In my original post, I pointed out that if you want to do that, it should be fine, but if you want to compete, you must conform to rules.
About speed: I think speed is a huge factor in drifting. Speed isn't only dictated by tires, but by many things: amount of angle, line, setup of the car, ability of the driver, etc. Drifting has evolved past the point of it being "art" to it being a motorsport. Speed is measured in real life events (and is a criteria for a majority of them) for a few reasons. In Formula D, practice speeds are averaged to come up with the speed qualifying score points for example. If you can't reach those speeds, you won't have a chance at the door to door action the judges ask for in driver meetings, or the fans want for that matter.
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Chocobos
Well in FD yeah all they have is huge variety of high HP cars. But speed is still last on the list of judging. That "proximity" word they use is about the line of the following cards and yes points are deducted for not getting close but the line and angle and the style while doing so is really important in fact most important. I really don't car much about FD much. I like D1 style competitions more. And i don't run more than 500hp because really once you start hitting the 600hp range you start what i call backwards tuning (tuning for grip instead of tuning to drift). Most comps i get into with most of the drifting community run around the same HP maybe more.
But yeah i hope your transition on the wheel gos smoothly. Took me a while to get really good at it.
Check out my video and you can see what I mean about the smoothness and line and angle. And i am one the wheel in this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaXLGTxRXPg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
From that video you can see me connect pretty much everything smoothly. When others use sports tires you just don't get that smoothness. That's what I try to explain to the rest of the guys who run sports tires. It is pretty much one of those would you rather situations I guess
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- Lizardsoup
The only thing letting me down about the wheel is the clutch. Transition took maybe a few days, but I'm still trying to get used to this clutch in GT5. There are, of course, other issues, but that is definitely the most irritating as it's a constant in drifting. Big angle and the wheel going light? I can deal with it as it doesn't happen often enough to where it's a big problem (plus spacial awareness and understanding maximum lock help with that), but the clutch.. ridiculous.
I'll end with this though: Driver ability is about half of it, tuning is 45% and the car is 5%. I have cars that on CH tires will be snappy as anything. That being said, I also have cars on CS or even SH that run as smooth as one of my others on CH. There is a speed difference and a different skill set required to drive them equally, but that's anything automotive anyway. I have fun with them when I'm just online for a quick drift, but if I'm expected to tandem as that's what the lobby is doing, I will bring out a tandem car. People throw out the phrase "Keep Drifting Fun" and forget what it means. If you have fun in a car with 900hp and SH, go for it. If your idea of fun is a 200hp AE86 on CH, awesome. Or, if you like, your idea of fun is a normal drift car, average horsepower and CH, rad. Bottom line is simple. Don't interfere with anyone else and their fun. Aside from competitions. Because those have rules. And stuff.
I'll end with this though: Driver ability is about half of it, tuning is 45% and the car is 5%. I have cars that on CH tires will be snappy as anything. That being said, I also have cars on CS or even SH that run as smooth as one of my others on CH. There is a speed difference and a different skill set required to drive them equally, but that's anything automotive anyway. I have fun with them when I'm just online for a quick drift, but if I'm expected to tandem as that's what the lobby is doing, I will bring out a tandem car. People throw out the phrase "Keep Drifting Fun" and forget what it means. If you have fun in a car with 900hp and SH, go for it. If your idea of fun is a 200hp AE86 on CH, awesome. Or, if you like, your idea of fun is a normal drift car, average horsepower and CH, rad. Bottom line is simple. Don't interfere with anyone else and their fun. Aside from competitions. Because those have rules. And stuff.
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Gonales
Yep. Like i said before. Speed is least important in drifting. If i am in a comp and i am following I don't care if I am 15 cars behind (maybe a over exaggeration but you get the point) I just know I am going to better the line and angle of the other person. Even if i lose it am still having fun. I am in the VDC just for fun I don't care win or lose
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Chocobos
Like you said before that is your style. But a lot of the drifting community doesn't care about speed as a being most important and some of those don't care about speed at all. That's why some really hate FD. Because that is all they have compared to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMG2pub8S00&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And this i respect these guys taking their everyday cars which they moded but not like in FD with those over powered mustangs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AkNHx5Nkw0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I mean it's all about style in the final result
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- Redsuns_Eric_DRP
Heres the thing. Not every FD driver is helping with the Grassroots community like they should. I can name countless FD drivers who focus on having fun, even if they are in there "overpowered" cars. I don't see why people are hating on FD drivers when most D1GP drivers have 1000 Hp and nitrous.
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- FRAG-ME-CG
But you're still in a comp, which is ruining the point!
In reference to the point about D1GP, try watching D1SL (D1 Street Legal).
It's MUCH much cooler, and the drivers are insane.
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- Redsuns_Eric_DRP
Heres the way I see it. Drifting is drifting, either way I am going to enjoy it. No matter what anyone else thinks. 💡👍
