2005 - The cars
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Word is that this is the new Ferrari.
*EDIT* Removed to avoid confusion.
*EDIT* Removed to avoid confusion.
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The new McLaren is supposed to be launched today, need to keep an eye out.
Also the F2005 won't be launched for a while yet, and it won't be racing until Round 5. I believe the above car is the F2004M, their interim car that will be racing in the first 4 rounds.
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Also the F2005 won't be launched for a while yet, and it won't be racing until Round 5. I believe the above car is the F2004M, their interim car that will be racing in the first 4 rounds.
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Hey fellas, should be interesting to see the new MP4-20, though i have a feeling that the macs might be unreliable yet again this year, there engines were shockers last year in terms of reliability. God i hate those ferraris sooo much!!!
I wonder how webber will go at williams this year??? should do alright as long as sam michael gets his act together and williams supply a good car for him.
I wonder how webber will go at williams this year??? should do alright as long as sam michael gets his act together and williams supply a good car for him.
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I believe the chassis was causing the engine to explode in the MP4-19, but reliability still wasn't great in the 19B so I'm not sure.
Webber looks to have alot of pace and if Williams put their act together (I think they will have a top 3 car) he could rack up a couple of wins. McLaren look to have alot of pace and with two great drivers they may have what it takes to beat Ferrari, whether they can beat Michael is another issue.
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Webber looks to have alot of pace and if Williams put their act together (I think they will have a top 3 car) he could rack up a couple of wins. McLaren look to have alot of pace and with two great drivers they may have what it takes to beat Ferrari, whether they can beat Michael is another issue.
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MP4-20 photos:
http://www.f1racing.net/en/gallery.php?catID=1596
At a quick glance, the front nose looks much wider than the 19/19B and the body work seems even tighter. Look at how little space there is between the driver's head and the outer edges of the cockpit. Side pods look a bit more shapely, too. But I'm really not too sure.
The ultra tight body was what caused a lot of the engine failures during the beginning of the 04 season for McLaren. The engine simply built up a lot of heat inside the covers. I hope they don't have the same problem this year.
http://www.f1racing.net/en/gallery.php?catID=1596
At a quick glance, the front nose looks much wider than the 19/19B and the body work seems even tighter. Look at how little space there is between the driver's head and the outer edges of the cockpit. Side pods look a bit more shapely, too. But I'm really not too sure.
The ultra tight body was what caused a lot of the engine failures during the beginning of the 04 season for McLaren. The engine simply built up a lot of heat inside the covers. I hope they don't have the same problem this year.
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McLaren releases MP4-20
The Team McLaren Mercedes MP4-20 Formula One car took to the track for the first time today at the Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona, Spain, with Kimi Raikkonen at the wheel. The track debut of the teams 2005 challenger marks the start of an intensive five-day test session, which will see Kimi joined by team-mate Juan Pablo Montoya later this week.
A lot of time, effort and work has been invested in the new car, with the engineers working more for us than ever before, said Kimi. My first impression after these few laps is a good one, however, the work for me and my driver colleagues starts only now. The Finn will continue to drive MP4-20 until Thursday, when Juan Pablo will take the wheel.
Since MP4-20 was fired up for the first time at 02:30am on the morning of Thursday 20th January at the McLaren Technology Centre, the anticipatory atmosphere of the cars initial run within the team has been building and we are pleased to have completed its shakedown this morning, said Ron Dennis, Team Principal, Team McLaren Mercedes. Todays unveiling is the first tangible demonstration of the teams preparations for the 2005 season, a year that has the potential to be exciting and positive for all the teams, our Partners and the fans alike. There is feverish work taking place across the team to achieve the best possible result for the this year
The design of the MP4-20 has been heavily influenced by significant revisions to both the sporting and technical regulations that govern Formula One in four key areas: engine lifespan, limitations on tyre use, aerodynamics and race weekend format particularly for qualifying.
A Formula One car is a fully integrated machine, commented Martin Whitmarsh, CEO Formula One, Team McLaren Mercedes. As a consequence, regulation changes to the extent we have seen ahead of the 2005 season, have had a major impact on the configuration of the entire package. The revisions created an interesting challenge for our design team under Adrian Newey, Mike Coughlan and Neil Oatley, and the result is a car that looks quite different from last year. Mercedes-Ilmor on the engine side has to cope with similar technical and timescale challenges.
The aerodynamic modifications have led to the most visible differences on the car, to the design of the chassis, which has been exclusively developed in the design office and wind tunnel facilities at the McLaren Technology Centre. These include the raising of the front wing by 50mm, restricting the height of the diffuser to 125mm and bringing the rear wing package forward by 150mm.
McLaren Racings Technical Director Adrian Newey added, With the regulations, particularly on the aerodynamic side, being set comparatively late resulting in even harder and more dedicated work from all members of the team to get MP4-20 on track today. This has seen positive collaboration with all our Technology Partners, particularly Michelin in adapting to the extended use requirements of tyres for the coming season, when they have to last the entire race distance. The spec for MP4-20 was set in May 2004 and this saw the start of wind tunnel work at the McLaren Technology Centre. The timescales have been challenging but that is all part of the excitement of Formula One.
Norbert Haug, Vice President Mercedes-Benz Motorsport, said: "Formula One of generation 2005 creates a host of new challenges for all the engineers involved, as well as bigger cuts and restrictions overall than ever before during the last decade. The engines lifespan is doubled due to a change in the regulations, which allows the engines to be replaced only after two races. This modification was announced extremely late, putting even bigger strain on the engine people. Additional strain was caused by the demand that performance be maintained despite the doubling of the lifespan. The new rules concerning the aerodynamic limitations and the use of only one set of tyres per race are no less challenging; it was therefore an interesting and busy winter not only for our engine technicians but also for the team's chassis engineers. With the West McLaren Mercedes MP4-20 we hope to have created a powerful package of chassis, engine and tyres, which will enable us to resume the performance and results which our team scored in the second half of the year and particularly in the final third of the season with last year's MP4-19B."
Of course, everyone within our organisation was looking forward to the initial laps and results of the MP4-20 on the first test day, Martin Whitmarsh continued. The focus in these early stages will be systems, aero and component evaluations before we start looking at more comprehensive programmes towards the end of the week. We have an intensive schedule to complete before the cars leave for Australia on Wednesday 23rd February, which will see us test at Valencia, Jerez and back to Barcelona. By the second week in February at Jerez, we will have the second MP4-20 chassis in attendance, with the third due to come on line in the following week.
Pedro de la Rosa will test alongside Kimi today in the MP4-19B, evaluating components and systems alongside the programme for the 2005 car, sharing driving duties during the week with Alex Wurz.
MP4-20
MP4-20 Technical Specifications
Chassis - McLaren moulded carbon fibre/aluminium honeycomb composite incorporating front and side impact structures. Contains integral safety fuel cell
Front Suspension - Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pushrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Rear Suspension - Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pushrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Suspension Dampers - McLaren
Electronics - McLaren Electronic Systems control units incorporating electronics for chassis, engine and data acquisition. McLaren Electronic Systems also supplies the electronic dash board, alternator voltage control, sensors, data analysis and telemetry systems
Bodywork - Construction: Two -piece sidepod and engine cover. Separate floor section, structural nose with integral front wing.
Tyres - Michelin
Race Wheels - Enkei
Steering - McLaren power-assisted
Adhesives - Henkel Technologies
Radios - Kenwood
Batteries - GS Yuasa Corporation
Instruments - McLaren Electronic Systems
Formula weight - 600kg
Gearbox Speeds - Seven forward and one reverse
Semi-auto - Yes
Driveshafts - McLaren
Clutch - Hand-operated: Yes
FO 110R Specifications
Designation - Mercedes-Benz FO 110R
No. of cylinders - 10
Fuel - Mobil 1 Unleaded
Lubricants - Mobil 1 products
Photos
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McLaren releases MP4-20
The Team McLaren Mercedes MP4-20 Formula One car took to the track for the first time today at the Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona, Spain, with Kimi Raikkonen at the wheel. The track debut of the teams 2005 challenger marks the start of an intensive five-day test session, which will see Kimi joined by team-mate Juan Pablo Montoya later this week.
A lot of time, effort and work has been invested in the new car, with the engineers working more for us than ever before, said Kimi. My first impression after these few laps is a good one, however, the work for me and my driver colleagues starts only now. The Finn will continue to drive MP4-20 until Thursday, when Juan Pablo will take the wheel.
Since MP4-20 was fired up for the first time at 02:30am on the morning of Thursday 20th January at the McLaren Technology Centre, the anticipatory atmosphere of the cars initial run within the team has been building and we are pleased to have completed its shakedown this morning, said Ron Dennis, Team Principal, Team McLaren Mercedes. Todays unveiling is the first tangible demonstration of the teams preparations for the 2005 season, a year that has the potential to be exciting and positive for all the teams, our Partners and the fans alike. There is feverish work taking place across the team to achieve the best possible result for the this year
The design of the MP4-20 has been heavily influenced by significant revisions to both the sporting and technical regulations that govern Formula One in four key areas: engine lifespan, limitations on tyre use, aerodynamics and race weekend format particularly for qualifying.
A Formula One car is a fully integrated machine, commented Martin Whitmarsh, CEO Formula One, Team McLaren Mercedes. As a consequence, regulation changes to the extent we have seen ahead of the 2005 season, have had a major impact on the configuration of the entire package. The revisions created an interesting challenge for our design team under Adrian Newey, Mike Coughlan and Neil Oatley, and the result is a car that looks quite different from last year. Mercedes-Ilmor on the engine side has to cope with similar technical and timescale challenges.
The aerodynamic modifications have led to the most visible differences on the car, to the design of the chassis, which has been exclusively developed in the design office and wind tunnel facilities at the McLaren Technology Centre. These include the raising of the front wing by 50mm, restricting the height of the diffuser to 125mm and bringing the rear wing package forward by 150mm.
McLaren Racings Technical Director Adrian Newey added, With the regulations, particularly on the aerodynamic side, being set comparatively late resulting in even harder and more dedicated work from all members of the team to get MP4-20 on track today. This has seen positive collaboration with all our Technology Partners, particularly Michelin in adapting to the extended use requirements of tyres for the coming season, when they have to last the entire race distance. The spec for MP4-20 was set in May 2004 and this saw the start of wind tunnel work at the McLaren Technology Centre. The timescales have been challenging but that is all part of the excitement of Formula One.
Norbert Haug, Vice President Mercedes-Benz Motorsport, said: "Formula One of generation 2005 creates a host of new challenges for all the engineers involved, as well as bigger cuts and restrictions overall than ever before during the last decade. The engines lifespan is doubled due to a change in the regulations, which allows the engines to be replaced only after two races. This modification was announced extremely late, putting even bigger strain on the engine people. Additional strain was caused by the demand that performance be maintained despite the doubling of the lifespan. The new rules concerning the aerodynamic limitations and the use of only one set of tyres per race are no less challenging; it was therefore an interesting and busy winter not only for our engine technicians but also for the team's chassis engineers. With the West McLaren Mercedes MP4-20 we hope to have created a powerful package of chassis, engine and tyres, which will enable us to resume the performance and results which our team scored in the second half of the year and particularly in the final third of the season with last year's MP4-19B."
Of course, everyone within our organisation was looking forward to the initial laps and results of the MP4-20 on the first test day, Martin Whitmarsh continued. The focus in these early stages will be systems, aero and component evaluations before we start looking at more comprehensive programmes towards the end of the week. We have an intensive schedule to complete before the cars leave for Australia on Wednesday 23rd February, which will see us test at Valencia, Jerez and back to Barcelona. By the second week in February at Jerez, we will have the second MP4-20 chassis in attendance, with the third due to come on line in the following week.
Pedro de la Rosa will test alongside Kimi today in the MP4-19B, evaluating components and systems alongside the programme for the 2005 car, sharing driving duties during the week with Alex Wurz.
MP4-20
MP4-20 Technical Specifications
Chassis - McLaren moulded carbon fibre/aluminium honeycomb composite incorporating front and side impact structures. Contains integral safety fuel cell
Front Suspension - Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pushrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Rear Suspension - Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pushrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Suspension Dampers - McLaren
Electronics - McLaren Electronic Systems control units incorporating electronics for chassis, engine and data acquisition. McLaren Electronic Systems also supplies the electronic dash board, alternator voltage control, sensors, data analysis and telemetry systems
Bodywork - Construction: Two -piece sidepod and engine cover. Separate floor section, structural nose with integral front wing.
Tyres - Michelin
Race Wheels - Enkei
Steering - McLaren power-assisted
Adhesives - Henkel Technologies
Radios - Kenwood
Batteries - GS Yuasa Corporation
Instruments - McLaren Electronic Systems
Formula weight - 600kg
Gearbox Speeds - Seven forward and one reverse
Semi-auto - Yes
Driveshafts - McLaren
Clutch - Hand-operated: Yes
FO 110R Specifications
Designation - Mercedes-Benz FO 110R
No. of cylinders - 10
Fuel - Mobil 1 Unleaded
Lubricants - Mobil 1 products
Photos
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I'm suprised that McLaren went for the wider nose, much like the 03 car -- only it "digs" into the ground. As for the side pods I was talking to Eagle on MSN and he said the MP4-20 had "more pronounced curves than my porn collection", probably not an understatement
.If you look at the back of the "spine" there is also a small wing that spans inbetween the two winglets beside the rear wheels. Much like the Ferrari and Williams interim cars.
I'm not sure but the MP4-20 also seems to be much shorter, but I'm not sure whether it's just my eyes playing tricks on me.
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Yeh i had a feeling that mclaren would go ahead with that nose, and those sidepods are crazy 
Typical mclaren though, they always go for new radical designs whether it will actually work is another question though...
The Macs are looking strong this year because IMO they have the best driver line up, not the best driver though, he's planted with the red cars.
Lets hope that Kimi doesn't keep dancing with strippers from clubs when he's drunk!(see f1live.com)
Will be interesting to see the new williams.
Typical mclaren though, they always go for new radical designs whether it will actually work is another question though...
The Macs are looking strong this year because IMO they have the best driver line up, not the best driver though, he's planted with the red cars.
Lets hope that Kimi doesn't keep dancing with strippers from clubs when he's drunk!(see f1live.com)
Will be interesting to see the new williams.
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Yes it will. Sam Michael said that the twin keel wing (Walruse nose) still has some strong merits and that people may have written it off too early, could we be seeing the Twin Keel return? I love the look of that, but whether it's been developed anough to be compeditive is another question.
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I know i am going to sound pretty dumb here but ah well. I have no idea what the difference between single and twin keel, ive read about it in F1 racing and ive searched through my back issues but i still cant find an explanation on it. Has it got something to do with aerodynamics? i know that mclaren and williams ran the twin keel and ferrari have stuck with the single keel but i cant tell the difference. can you help me out?
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really, thats interesting, F1 racing kept saying that it was something to do with the suspension or something like that. Also wasn't the MP4-19/19B a twin keel, and that was the opposite to the williams, a skinny nose.
maybe i should ask Adrian Newey...
maybe i should ask Adrian Newey...
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I wouldn't know im only a 16 year old!
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ahhhhh! thank you sooo much 359, nowhere in my magazines did it ever describe it. Cheers
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Note the red circle, behind the front wing element. That is what is meant by the twin-keel system.
It has two main purposes. One, it's supports the front suspension with two, rather than one on the Ferarri, pieces. And two, it's supposed to increase the airflow to the diffuser and the decrease the amount of drag a normal F1 car produces. The downside is that it is more pitch-sensitive, meaning the car is less stable.
Hope that helps.
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hell yeh that helps. What are you a technical director???
or are we just dumb asses...
or are we just dumb asses...
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hey all of these posts are from aussies!
Were flying the flag aren't we!
Were flying the flag aren't we!
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Well Vincent you will have to study hard at school!!!
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