GT4 WRS Week 46 Results
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Yeah, fat fingering happens. Both racers this week found the error right away and fessed up, so no harm. Verification is important here Jake73. But so is trust. Trust comes from participating with the same group week after week. Typically those that cheat don't last too long, as they are rooted out rather quickly. holl01 will post his replay, and I'm sure Casio will also. Both of those drivers I have no doubts about. They have proven they are fast and clean many times over the last year or so. Casio more recently since getting a maxdrive.
@Casio-Congrats on your first D1 podium mate. Well done! 👍
@Smallhorses- Thanks for reviewing my replay mate. ur right about your final sector. That's where a lot of time could be made. It was a sweet lap u ran.
@Casio-Congrats on your first D1 podium mate. Well done! 👍
@Smallhorses- Thanks for reviewing my replay mate. ur right about your final sector. That's where a lot of time could be made. It was a sweet lap u ran.
- 2,670
- Portland, OR
- GTP_KLR142
Uh oh, that's not a good sign...(the wk47 thing) Because as far as I know, I didn't have a replay labled wk 47. Hmm, I'll brb.SmallhorsesWell, I'm up late (v. excited, off to Utah for 3 days Snowboarding tomorrow) and I've had 3 shots of tequilla (good stuff, Cazadores, none of that "lose-your-eyesight" Cuervo stuff!
) but, I can still safely say that the replay you've submitted is for WK47, CZ-3 Rally Car at GVS East Reverse, not WK46!
Jake Jake Jake... Patience man! Simmer! 👍
- 2,670
- Portland, OR
- GTP_KLR142
Thanks again for catching that in your tequilla'd state! Now you've got something not to chase... Hopefully no one else picked that up! Here is the only thing I can find on the maxdrive that MIGHT be week 46's lap. My maxdrive goes from replay 50 to replay 52, and usually the latest replay is the highest number, but I don't see a replay 51, so 50 better be my week 46!SmallhorsesWell, I'm up late (v. excited, off to Utah for 3 days Snowboarding tomorrow
I know it's a PITA, (Can't believe I've actually used that acronym, maybe I'm feeling younger & "hipper" thanks to the tequilla! zOMG I'll be using txt slang next! D'oh!) but I tend to transfer replays 1 at a time and rename them as soon as I connect the MAX Drive to the PC, that way I'm sure I have the right file, since the regular MAX Drive naming convention sucks lots of bottom.
And unless there's a huge difference in file sizes between the files
you're transferring, it's difficult to tell then apart!
Meh, I've edited that other post with the old replay, and posted the hopefully correct one here.
- 1,505
- Grand Rapids, M
- ThirdeYe1337
- Derek1337
SmallhorsesA) Congratulations on your first 1st!
B) yeah, the SharkPort is a method of submitting replays, but it's a little outdated now and we're limited to who can view your replay. If I remember rightly, Kent has one from his days as WRS organiser, so he may be able to help you out.
Or, you can use the programme that's linked to here, (took me 15 minutes of searching to root this little bugger out mind you!) to convert .sps (Sharkport) files to .max (MAX Drive) format, so that I, or anyone else on NTSC using the more convenient MAX Drive can check them out for you. It's a little extra effort on your part, but worth it in the long run since you've more chance of a MAX drive user verifying your times than a Sharkport user nowadays, judging by the fact that the majority of replays are now submitted in .max form, unlike the old GT3 days when I seemed to be the only driver submitting .max laps, and there wasn't a conversion programme back then!
Hope that helps.
Thank you so much for that link! I'm relieved to know I don't have to spend more money on buying a max drive after just spending $15 on the Shark Port
Smallhorses
Staff Emeritus
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@KLR142 well, I'm on my way out to the airport so I don't have time to do anymore checking at the moment, I'll have to leave you in MinorShunt or SHigSpeed's capable hands to do the verification.
Either that or now that Thirdeye has the means to make .max files into .sps files, and vice versa, it's possible he can test the conversion software out by checking your replay, and posting a .max converted replay of his own lap for us to see.
@Thirdeye glad you like the link! Remember the "Red Tick Of Doom" for quality posts!
Either that or now that Thirdeye has the means to make .max files into .sps files, and vice versa, it's possible he can test the conversion software out by checking your replay, and posting a .max converted replay of his own lap for us to see.
@Thirdeye glad you like the link! Remember the "Red Tick Of Doom" for quality posts!
Smallhorses
Staff Emeritus
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jake73
If you're so worried about it, why don't you take the time to verify Kyle's replay?
You're on NTSC, so you've no excuse.....
- 2,076
- Aarhus, Denmark
- GTP_NielsG2
Unfortunately you're right, Jake. 👍
It's easy to read the rules, follow the instructions, submit clean races and check your own replays before submission.
I know as a fact of life, that mistakes will happen from time to time, and they can happen to everybody.
The sad thing is that these irregularities have happened way too often recently in the WRS. It actually happens so often, that it gets impossible to distinguish the "honest" mistakes from all the rest.
When some racers at the same time just minimize the meaning of submitting dirty laps, it makes me feel very sad.
Luckily there's still a lot of racers with high moral in the WRS. To bad the more dodgy ones are damaging the reputation of the WRS.
It's easy to read the rules, follow the instructions, submit clean races and check your own replays before submission.
I know as a fact of life, that mistakes will happen from time to time, and they can happen to everybody.
The sad thing is that these irregularities have happened way too often recently in the WRS. It actually happens so often, that it gets impossible to distinguish the "honest" mistakes from all the rest.
When some racers at the same time just minimize the meaning of submitting dirty laps, it makes me feel very sad.
Luckily there's still a lot of racers with high moral in the WRS. To bad the more dodgy ones are damaging the reputation of the WRS.
- 2,342
- Camboriu - Braz
- FASJ6418
NielsGUnfortunately you're right, Jake. 👍
It's easy to read the rules, follow the instructions, submit clean races and check your own replays before submission.
I know as a fact of life, that mistakes will happen from time to time, and they can happen to everybody.
The sad thing is that these irregularities have happened way too often recently in the WRS. It actually happens so often, that it gets impossible to distinguish the "honest" mistakes from all the rest.
When some racers at the same time just minimize the meaning of submitting dirty laps, it makes me feel very sad.
Luckily there's still a lot of racers with high moral in the WRS. To bad the more dodgy ones are damaging the reputation of the WRS.
damaging the reputation? well, i don´t think this is happening... never even thought of that subject before...
since we are having 20 drivers or so these days, most of us know all the drivers competing... there´s a lot of the trust thing... for example, i don´t need to watch a lap from steve or dan to know that is clean...
i see why new drivers got worried about some times, but i don´t think we have a dirty driver wining events here...
just my two cents...
- 2,076
- Aarhus, Denmark
- GTP_NielsG2
fasj6418
No. Because Cyril and other racers do a huge work checking replays. AND fact is that a lot get caught.
We got a rule that says:
It's much easier checking our own replay than checking others. So how come we still have so many DQ's then. Sloppiness? Disrespect? Cheating? Mistakes? I don't know, but I know it doesn't look good.
- 3,105
- GTP_MisterWeary
jake73
One thing to note is that holl01's replays are PAL, if you're in Orlando there's a good chance you're NTSC and won't be able to watch holl01's replays
- 15,855
- QLD, Australia
- Small_Fryz
jake73
Drivers have 1 week to post replays, if after that week they havnt submitted then you start jumping up and down
And btw i wasnt going to post my replay but since im ahead of you, do you want me to? Id be more than happy to if you want, though im PAL you will at least know if the run was clean or not if another person verifies it....
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
Ok, time for the BTTW 0.02$ worth.
Combo before last (Wk45) I submitted 6 times that I 'thought' were all legal.
Unfortunately I did two things wrong when submitting my times and posting my replays.
1st was letting things going on in my real life, distract me whilst checking my replays (I missed the fact that my Jag and Model T laps were infact dirty through the first chichane)
2nd was not having my ps2 connected to my Belkin UPS/Surge strip.
The first is unfortunately very much down to me being distracted, but in my defence, I have been racing here since wk2 of the GT4 WRS, and this is the first time I have EVER submitted dirty laps.
Most of the guys and gals here know me well enough, and have seen how much of a 'stickler' for the rules I am!
The reason I haven't been on much for in the last few days is because I am completely ashamed of myself for submitting dirty laps.
The second was unfortunate, bad timing, not thinking. I was transfering my replays to the max-drive usb stick, and the power went out on me. Corrupting my memory card and destroying my Caterham fireblade and R8 replays.
Don't let the fact that some dirty replays were submitted (by others as well as myself) fool you into thinking we are a bunch of cheating, lowlife scumbags just out to try and get some kicks out of duping others into thinking we are faster then you.
We are not, in-fact out of the hundreds of guys and gals that are registered to race here, we are the stallwarts who generally race week-in, week-out, and we do all trust each-other.
Mistakes happen, especially in a week with SO many cars to choose from, SO many laps to check, SO many file transfers to make with 'un-stable' means.
This is the place to be if you want to race against the fastest guys and gals in the game, and generally ALL of the long-time members/regular racers can be trusted.
Plus around 90% of the regulars, if not higher, are in the Replay Supported Racers group that is regulated by Super-mod KENT.
Neil
See guys, no rant, no rave. Calm, collected and as usual, right!
Except when I'm wrong that is!
- 2,670
- Portland, OR
- GTP_KLR142
Good to hear, because honestly, I was starting to lose faith...jake73
Degrading of the series? What's this crap? Sorry, but I don't agree at all. This has always been a good place to race, and I don't remember when there was a time that someone was cheating or doing something dishonest on purpose. I have full faith in this series, even if other people don't. It's awesome, and pretty much all of the people who race it are awesome, I wish more of them would return... Life does have its priorities though, so it's all good.
RACE ON! 👍
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- United States
I had a request from KLR to post my replay
It's horrible (56.6) and dirty, but lots of drifting. What can I say, I only spent 30 min on it
well umm, here it is (NTSC)
It's horrible (56.6) and dirty, but lots of drifting
. What can I say, I only spent 30 min on itwell umm, here it is (NTSC)
- 7,956
- BradleyH131
Casio
Forgot to add. Obviously, I checked it and it's clean.
And seriously guys. A few people have made a few mistakes this round, now all of a sudden WRS is some cheating haven. Please.
I think WRS is better now then it ever was. I know who I'm competing against, because the same people submit week in, week out. I know all these people are fair racers and would have no intention of cheating. I never think 'I was beaten by Person X, who the **** is Person X?!'.
Since I've been around, I can't recall a single incidence where someone had submitted a clearly dirty run, which was shown on his replay. If they don't have a replay their results arn't offical and it doesn't matter to you anyway. However, you can't just assume that if someone doesn't have a replay device that their runs are dirty.
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Well.........when I first read Jake73's posts this afternoon, I was a bit PO'd TBH. But, upon reflection, I think I can relate. As NielsG said, there have been quite a few problems lately, and it doesn't reflect well on the series. I remember when I first started this series I was scared to death that I would mistype a number, or miss an off or touch. As a new member I didn't want to have any suspicion cast my way. Thinking back after Jake73's comments today, I also remember being a bit doubtful about several racers, (that don't race here anymore) because I was new and didn't know anyone.
Admittedly I am not as cautious as I used to be, because of experience. I race in several series, and also review a lot of replays. So most of the time it's easy to spot a dirty lap right off. There are many racers in the OLR world that I trust, (most in the WRS) and never think of asking for a replay, because we race together all the time. I also know that if I did ask for one, they would post it with no hesitation. It's called mutual respect, and it doesn't happen with your first race.
I know that honest mistakes happen. It will happen to me someday. We are human and it is probably inevitable. When I do make that mistake, I will deserve and accept the mild chastisement of my fellow racers, and hope to learn from my mistake. If two veterans like Kyle and Balls can screw up, anyone can. And although the 2 fat finger mistakes this week may indeed be minor offenses, there are two drivers that did not get first day peer recognition of a Div. 2 win, and a first time Div.1 podium. I wonder if those two racers think it is so minor that their accomplishments were not recognized right away? Anyway, it is a good lesson to always check the details.
So Jake73, please do continue to join us here. Race hard, fast, and clean. Get to know the system, and the racers that frequent our little joint, and you will have a good time. They are a good bunch really. 👍
Admittedly I am not as cautious as I used to be, because of experience. I race in several series, and also review a lot of replays. So most of the time it's easy to spot a dirty lap right off. There are many racers in the OLR world that I trust, (most in the WRS) and never think of asking for a replay, because we race together all the time. I also know that if I did ask for one, they would post it with no hesitation. It's called mutual respect, and it doesn't happen with your first race.
I know that honest mistakes happen. It will happen to me someday. We are human and it is probably inevitable. When I do make that mistake, I will deserve and accept the mild chastisement of my fellow racers, and hope to learn from my mistake. If two veterans like Kyle and Balls can screw up, anyone can. And although the 2 fat finger mistakes this week may indeed be minor offenses, there are two drivers that did not get first day peer recognition of a Div. 2 win, and a first time Div.1 podium. I wonder if those two racers think it is so minor that their accomplishments were not recognized right away? Anyway, it is a good lesson to always check the details.
So Jake73, please do continue to join us here. Race hard, fast, and clean. Get to know the system, and the racers that frequent our little joint, and you will have a good time. They are a good bunch really. 👍
Welcome aboard Jake from another newbie
I've done what ? 6 races or so ?
First and foremost, what has been said before this post has stated the case of WRS and owning a Max. When I started I was humbled
by the times that were being posted. But it's the reson I'm here. To become a better driver 👍
I submitted at lap at Sarthe, that I was sure was clean, but I couldn't tell comming out of one chicane. I didn't have to post according to the rules, but I wanted someone to check my lap, especially that corner and said such. Pointing out the only questionable part.
As it turns out, it was dirty and pm'd Cyril to dq me.
That is the spirit of WRS as I understand it.
Yes, these guys blaze 
but it's a great place to race and learn. GT mode, talk about my learning curve 
but they share their set ups 👍 gives you a place to start
Every week I look to see where Dan (Holo) is. If I'm about 2 seconds behind, I'm doing good 👍 LOL .... Find the page where Cyril has put together the qualifying times of everyone. See how far back you are in comparisson... that should be your gauge of where you are.
These are a great bunch here, but they do have a "pasta" test ... toss it against the wall, if it sticks, it's ready Over the coming weeks you'll see the times and names are generaly the same 👍
If you get a replay ability, you'll get to see where you are losing time. What line they were working. Then go out and try and duplicate it ..... sounds easy LOL
Let me get down off the soapbox LOL
Take a breath load it up and chase'm down
J.R.
from another newbie I've done what ? 6 races or so ?
First and foremost, what has been said before this post has stated the case of WRS and owning a Max. When I started I was humbled
by the times that were being posted. But it's the reson I'm here. To become a better driver 👍 I submitted at lap at Sarthe, that I was sure was clean, but I couldn't tell comming out of one chicane. I didn't have to post according to the rules, but I wanted someone to check my lap, especially that corner and said such. Pointing out the only questionable part.
As it turns out, it was dirty and pm'd Cyril to dq me.
That is the spirit of WRS as I understand it.
Yes, these guys blaze
but it's a great place to race and learn. GT mode, talk about my learning curve but they share their set ups 👍 gives you a place to startEvery week I look to see where Dan (Holo) is. If I'm about 2 seconds behind, I'm doing good 👍 LOL .... Find the page where Cyril has put together the qualifying times of everyone. See how far back you are in comparisson... that should be your gauge of where you are.
These are a great bunch here, but they do have a "pasta" test
... toss it against the wall, if it sticks, it's ready Over the coming weeks you'll see the times and names are generaly the same 👍If you get a replay ability, you'll get to see where you are losing time. What line they were working. Then go out and try and duplicate it ..... sounds easy
LOLLet me get down off the soapbox
LOLTake a breath
load it up and chase'm down J.R.
- 2,076
- Aarhus, Denmark
- GTP_NielsG2
Thanks MinorShunt for both understanding my concerns and taking the time to understand my not very good English.
I don't think, nor do I claim, that the WRS is full of cheaters. If so I wouldn't race here. Simple as that.
And I'm sure, all the mistakes and all the dirty replay, that get submitted, each and everyone can be excused in the most reasonable way.
BUT the pictures Cyril and other racers post from these off, all shows clearly detectable violations. Why on earth don't people check their own replays better? I simply don't understand that.
I'm sorry, but at least I think it's very disrespectful to Cyril, who works so bloody hard to make things work. Why shall he week after week spend extra time checking replays and making photo-mode pictures of them?
Well... maybe it's just me being a grumpy old bastard, but I think there's too many mistakes happening, and from time to time I can't help wondering how many mistakes does pass unnoticed.
Thanks for listening.
I don't think, nor do I claim, that the WRS is full of cheaters. If so I wouldn't race here. Simple as that.
And I'm sure, all the mistakes and all the dirty replay, that get submitted, each and everyone can be excused in the most reasonable way.
BUT the pictures Cyril and other racers post from these off, all shows clearly detectable violations. Why on earth don't people check their own replays better? I simply don't understand that.
I'm sorry, but at least I think it's very disrespectful to Cyril, who works so bloody hard to make things work. Why shall he week after week spend extra time checking replays and making photo-mode pictures of them?
Well... maybe it's just me being a grumpy old bastard, but I think there's too many mistakes happening, and from time to time I can't help wondering how many mistakes does pass unnoticed.
Thanks for listening.
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- BradleyH131
I've wondered that too. Sure some are really, really close calls, hitting invisible walls and what not. But like you say, some of these are clearly illegal, why?NielsGBUT the pictures Cyril and other racers post from these off, all shows clearly detectable violations. Why on earth don't people check their own replays better? I simply don't understand that.
This in my opinion is the reason we don't require replays from everybody. If their was an easy way for you to say, upload them all at once, go bang, bang, bang. And you're done. But it's really quite a pain with the MaxDrive, and if there is a close touch or something, you can't use photomode to prove it because it rarely shows contact. These results threads are usually open more then a week waiting for replays from a few drivers, imagine a field of 20+!NielsG
NielsG
I honestly don't believe it happens that much currently, like I said before, we all pretty much know each other and know that we all play fair. I know people like Fryz, Hol, Minorshunt, etc, would never submit a lap that was dirty. I don't even need a replay for proof, I know they submitted a clean lap, and that's enough for me.
Tedehur
Staff Emeritus
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- France
- Z spec
I was pretty pleased to read this discussion, and really happy to see that racers are so concerned by the topic. 👍
So I gave everyone its share of rep points
I added green flags too next to holl01's and KLR142's times.
But can someone explain to me the reason why CoolGeekz replay was requested since his name doesn't appear on the results
So I gave everyone its share of rep points
I added green flags too next to holl01's and KLR142's times.
But can someone explain to me the reason why CoolGeekz replay was requested since his name doesn't appear on the results
