Obama Presidency Discussion Thread
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ROAD_DOGG33J
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I wasn't going to vote, but after watching that video I don't think I have much of a choice. McCain FTW!!!11!1!
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I thought Michelle Obama's speech yesterday was pretty damn good, and I'm interested to see what it may do to have more people "connect" with average people. Hillary's speech tonight was pretty good as well, and hopefully that does a good bit to fix some of the disunity (is that a word?) in the party. It was nice to see someone kinda go after McCain for once, its been a bit too "subtle" otherwise. I don't know what kind of effect (if any) the convention will have on the public, but I'm hoping for a positive one.
I'm very interested to see who McCain will nominate for VP on Friday (that's the rumor). I'm still banking on Romney, but, he could change his mind. I get the feeling it'll be fairly critical to his position in the polls in the coming weeks.
I'm very interested to see who McCain will nominate for VP on Friday (that's the rumor). I'm still banking on Romney, but, he could change his mind. I get the feeling it'll be fairly critical to his position in the polls in the coming weeks.
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McCain supports military draft, and will probably do it once he got elected. For those people in this forum at the drafting age, good luck.
I like how McCain's entire negative campaign is not about policies but about how Obama is not ready and not experienced to be the President. IF that is in fact true, then Bush should NEVER be elected, yet we voted for him twice....LOL.
Just so you know, I can't vote; so I can't say I am part of the people who screws America up. Recession, War (that we started), Housing crisis, No-existant Health care, Weak dollar, Energy crisis and losing competitiveness in the world economy.
Honestly, we really need GOD to save us all cause I don't think we have the science to do it....
I like how McCain's entire negative campaign is not about policies but about how Obama is not ready and not experienced to be the President. IF that is in fact true, then Bush should NEVER be elected, yet we voted for him twice....LOL.
Just so you know, I can't vote; so I can't say I am part of the people who screws America up. Recession, War (that we started), Housing crisis, No-existant Health care, Weak dollar, Energy crisis and losing competitiveness in the world economy.
Honestly, we really need GOD to save us all cause I don't think we have the science to do it....
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Danoff
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lol, wut?
Somebody needs to stop buying media hype.
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...and since that turned out so well...
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Watching the news last night, it is really quite amazing just how anti-Obama much of Hillary Clinton's supporters are... the "McCain For President" banners were a slight give-away.
Good luck with that... 👍
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You are going to have to back that up. The only place I can find McCain saying anything about supporting a draft is in extreme circumstances. I believe at one point he used the phrase World War III scenario.
Yeah, because Obama and Bush have very similar career histories.....
And I think you are seeing more of that because you are in New York, Hillary's "home" state and McCain is basically just reiterating what Hillary said about Obama to create discontent in the Democratic party.
And in all honesty, it is a bit late in the game to be trying to explain why Bush shouldn't be elected. If that is the best you have to support Obama, a "he's better than Bush" speech you may need to work on that.
Even though I disagree with you I am glad to see you are taking an interest.
I have to stop you right there. I just had a procedure performed that will cost near six figures in medical bills. I will only be paying $300 out of pocket. And not a single penny of the rest of the bill will be paid for by public funds taken from taxpayers. I happen to think that I have great health care and I am not relying on others who are more successful than myself to pay for it. But then I take personal responsibility seriously and have actually worked to plan to have proper health care that I sustain on my own.
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And since all the focus has been on Obama recently I thought I would mix it up and bring in a third party candidate that I am liking more and more and this thread's discussion has kind of dropped.
Bob Barr - Libertarian Party
First off, the man is not too proud to participate in the Candidates Comedy Night as the first ever participating presidential candidate.
It would be nice if he could be included in the debates. Ron Paul ran into an issue during the Republican primary where he was the only man on the stage opposed to the war and so all his other points were drowned out. I think that Barr would be more prominent in a party v party debate as he could argue Obama on social issues and McCain on foreign policy and privacy issues. He wouldn't have his platform covered up by just one dissenting point because if either candidate tried that the other would have to speak up to protect his own opinion.
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Actually, I hate Hillary because she think gamers are drug addicts and game developers are drug dealers.
I may sound like I am pro Obama or anti MaCain, but at the end of the day I don't really give a damn who's in the white house. I enjoy politics because I like all the back stabbing, lies, and drama. It is really more like a football game without the football, and all they did is bitch slap each until one of them gave up.
I have a relatively good job but I am earning less due to every year we have to chip in more for health insurance. I personally have co-workers being sent to the war to see how lucky they are not once, not twice, but three times until they ran out of luck (...and they do).
If I have kids, I would be very worried.
I may sound like I am pro Obama or anti MaCain, but at the end of the day I don't really give a damn who's in the white house. I enjoy politics because I like all the back stabbing, lies, and drama. It is really more like a football game without the football, and all they did is bitch slap each until one of them gave up.
I have a relatively good job but I am earning less due to every year we have to chip in more for health insurance. I personally have co-workers being sent to the war to see how lucky they are not once, not twice, but three times until they ran out of luck (...and they do).
If I have kids, I would be very worried.
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What's wrong with you?
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He has the belief that we're screwed with either choice, so it doesn't really matter who ends up in the White House. I guess the dude doesn't believe in anything, so his feelings are just.
However, it's a clear choice for me who to vote for this election. Even though McCain has liberal attitudes and beliefs, he's still the obvious choice, 'cause a elephant 3/4 is better than a ass whole.
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I think a lot of people feel we are screwed no matter which, and I really think I am one of them. I still don't know who to give my vote to and I've been researching all the different candidates. McCain has no hope from me and Obama lost it with his VP nomination.
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You mean you have co-workers who joined our VOLUNTEER military? I have a sibling who also joined our volunteer military. Understood that we're losing soldiers and that that's a bad thing. But if you told me then what the body count would be, I'd still be in favor of the war.
I would also be very worried if you had kids.
Count me in.
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If that's your attitude towards politics, you must have had a frickin' field day with Clinton & Monica.
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Unfortunately it is one of the major problems in the American political system, and without high voter turnouts and the belief that the third parties have a chance, we aren't going to see many political reformations any time soon. Part of the problem is, of course, that once a particular third party becomes big enough to steal votes away from one of the "Big Two," it gets snatched up by stealing their party platform and wooing their followers into that particular "coalition."
The problem with the Libertarian party, who normally works well enough with the GOP to vote with them, they've pretty much been screwed over in the past eight years and they want out. While most Americans tend to identify with the Libertarians to some extent, part of the problem is that they don't identify it as a party that has a chance of winning, and consequently they end up voting with the established parties that they have been voting for.
We saw much of the Green Party absorbed into the Democratic Party back in 2004, and these days, the "true Green" people seem more like fringe fanatics than an actual party that would stand a chance in Washington. The same can be said of the Reform Party, who continues to flounder about in a sea of mediocrity, not getting much coverage... Even with Nader at the helm.
At least for me, I'd just encourage people to vote third party if they do not like McCain or Obama. When we see large numbers of people drifting there, we start seeing changes elsewhere. In my mind, a vote not counted is a vote wasted, and although you certainly can make an arguement that it would be a "waste" to vote for, say, the Green Party, I'd tend to think of it more as a political statement than not voting at all.
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You know guys, there are third party candidates out there.
I know people feel like they don't want to waste their vote due to the two party system, but that mentality is why we still have a two party system.
If everyone voted based on their principles, positions, beliefs, whatever for the candidate, despite party affiliation, that best matched them we would not have a two party system.
If you are voting for who you dislike the least you should really recognize that the lesser of two evils is still evil.
I ran into this stuff when I was supporting Ron Paul. Of the few who actually knew who he was the number one response was, "but he can't win." And? I'm not placing bets on a sporting event, I'm voting to elect a candidate who most represents my ideas on how the country should be run.
I know people feel like they don't want to waste their vote due to the two party system, but that mentality is why we still have a two party system.
If everyone voted based on their principles, positions, beliefs, whatever for the candidate, despite party affiliation, that best matched them we would not have a two party system.
If you are voting for who you dislike the least you should really recognize that the lesser of two evils is still evil.
I ran into this stuff when I was supporting Ron Paul. Of the few who actually knew who he was the number one response was, "but he can't win." And? I'm not placing bets on a sporting event, I'm voting to elect a candidate who most represents my ideas on how the country should be run.
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Preaching to the choir brother. Hallelujah!
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Yeah, I even switched my party affiliation back in June just to hopefully get my opinion made in numbers outside of elections.
Of course the number one response then: "But you can't vote in the primaries." Boo freakin' hoo.
I will give my mom credit though. She and I had been talking about my politics for a while and she understood them well enough and agreed on many points but admits that she cannot get herself past that thought of "wasting" her vote. When I told her I even switched my registration when I renewed my driver's license she actually got this proud expression on her face and said that she was glad to see I was willing to make a stand on principles at the risk of not being heard at all.
See, some local elections in Kentucky are decided at the primary (no second party candidates) so by going off the two-party system to represent my principles I have actually voluntarily given up my ability to exercise my right as a voter in some elections.
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Secret voting for roll call of the states at the DNC?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12885.html
Looks like someone is scared of PUMAs...
rawr!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12885.html
Looks like someone is scared of PUMAs...
rawr!
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He has the belief that we're screwed with either choice, so it doesn't really matter who ends up in the White House. I guess the dude doesn't believe in anything, so his feelings are just.
However, it's a clear choice for me who to vote for this election. Even though McCain has liberal attitudes and beliefs, he's still the obvious choice, 'cause a elephant 3/4 is better than a ass whole.
So you're buying into the false dichotomy?
I'm most likely going to vote for Bob Barr. In that regard, the biggest victory is breaking the fallacy, not making the white house.
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Lets complete the quote:
Michelle Obama
...and in the speech immediately following...
Michelle Obama
I can understand what she means by it, but if you're offended, by all means it is your right to be. There are a lot of people who have been dissatisfied by government, what it does (or has done), and how politics have been practiced in recent time. But, you are welcome to take your own interpretation out of the quotes as well, I just don't find her offensive in any way, shape or form.
