The Homosexuality Discussion Thread
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Originally posted by milefile
I'm curious which .1% didn't call it taboo.
Emperor families, monarch families, etc. Maybe they thought it was a taboo, but they still did it to 'keep the kingdom in the family'
Basically, when France, Spain, and the HRE all were one family(Were they all by one family at one time? I know the Habsburgs ruled France and Spain, but was there ever a Habsburg emperor? I'm too lazy to check my Euro book), they married each other, and they also married the rulers of England, Russia, and few other countries for many generations. So, basically, that whole upper circle is a kind of incest...
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Remove the words 'opposite sex', and that's pretty much where I'm coming from as well, as I believe I've also made clear.
It is absolutely 100% as relevant as you r question about homosexual incest. Unless I'm missing something? If one is relevant then the other is. My example was picked in order to remove the stigma of genetically subnormal offspring from the question. If you see homosexual incest as no different than 'normal' homosexuality... I must be missing something. Because to me the difference is so huge as to be an entirely different question.
You need to think in larger trends. I don't literally mean that the people would never see others; but that in general each clan would tend to stay inwardly focused and isolationist. This is bad for society in general.
No, I must not have explained myself clearly. The physical and 'psychological damage' I was referring to was concerning drug addiction, which would occur even to a lone drug user on a desert island. To me, homosexuality has no inherent ability to cause physical or psychological damage to those who practice it. It is only the repression of society that causes this damage.
The issue of incest is totally different and I believe I have shown why there are taboos against it for both physical reasons (which hold true for heterosexual incest) and social/psychological reasons (which hold true for both kinds of incest). Those issues are reason enough for incest to be taboo, regardless of society's acceptance or non-acceptance.
Extra-family homosexuality shares none of those same issues and so I still fail to understand how it can be lumped with incest.
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Whoa, you threw more slanders than the post did that started this thread. You're going to get bashed and yelled at pretty good, I've got to see this!
Oh, and your paragraph about the human anatomy, um, that was unneccessary. Really unneccessary, just another thing to see you get yelled at....
Are you referring to the Catholic Church as a whole? Or his specific church he goes to? Because if you are refurring to the Catholic Church as a whole, you'll be making a statement you'll soon regret as soon as more Catholics read it....
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The reason I say that it has no revelance is because we have both constrained the example of incest being bad where offspring are the result of incest for physical reasons. This is a point that we both agree on. We both think that incest is bad regardless of the circumstances.
Do you think that incest only occurs in the back woods of Montana?
When you speak of 'clans' I think of moon shine and shotguns with straw hanging out of their mouths. As far as being inwardly focused and isolated, do you mean with their social activities? If homo or heteral sexual couples stay inwardly focused and isolated, is that grounds to be concerned?I was commenting on this, "In addition, there are psychological/social reasons why insest is bad for the family unit. As I said earlier, incest prevents the family from becoming integrated into the local society. If the unattached young adults are staying within the family, there is no interaction and no social diversity within the given larger group. So the argument against incest has a physical and social reason for the taboo, regardless of the gender-preference issue. " statement. And yes, it is the repression of society that causes psycological damage as well as the questionable acts of their lifestyle and the moral delima that they put themselves in.
How can you say it is totally different? I can see where the physical adnomallities can cause an effect, but as some cultures have proven, they handled the situation to the best of their ability. I am not condoning it, just sharing some sociallogical facts of past cultures. In regards to this 'taboo' that speak of, it is mearly the social guideline for what the current politically correct definition of what a sexual relationship can and can't be within a given society. The fact that this example couple grew up together should have no baring as seen in heteralsexual relations, if they grew up apart from one another should have no baring. The only common tie is at least one of the biological parents, and that is the only difference. Tom and Jane are seperated at birth. Each child was adopted by different parents. In their adult years they cross paths and fall in love with one another. Your saying that an alternate lifestlye is ok but with limits and restrictions. What these people do in private should be supressed with athority exersized by our society?
As you can see the only difference is one of the biological parents, and that is the only difference that I can see.
Care to explain further?
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As a whole. I thought Christians were supposed to hate all gays and such. It is forbidden for some reason, no? I doubt I'm going to regret what I typed. Trust me.
Anyway, you're all gay.
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I take a similar stance against stupid people.
And let's not get started on stupid gays.
And let's not get started on stupid gays.
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Klos, you have out done yourself on the level of absurdity of the above statement.
The message of Christ is one of love. His love for us, and his obedience to his father (GOD) is why he willingly went thru the torment of the cross for us.
As far as homosexuality being "forbidden for some reason"...
Please borrow a bible. See Leviticus the 18th chapter, and it will outline a variety of sexual inpropriety and the "consequences".
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You don't have to be open-minded. You're just gay. I don't think open-mindedness has much to do with it. You're probably born gay, and don't choose to become gay when you see some guy with a nice package walking down the street. There must be plenty of close-minded gays. At least 5 in this thread, maybe.
Contrary to what I said earlier, I wouldn't want to be gay, but I can handle gay people. Except Christopher Lowell.
Contrary to what I said earlier, I wouldn't want to be gay, but I can handle gay people. Except Christopher Lowell.
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I can't outdo myslef with absurdity, trust me. I can say something totally more absurd than that.
"18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
So basically, being gay is a sin. But I don't see why. Maybe I just need a good explaining as to why it is detestable or abominable.
Feh, I guess I shouldn't care what anyone thinks of gays.
"18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
So basically, being gay is a sin. But I don't see why. Maybe I just need a good explaining as to why it is detestable or abominable.
Feh, I guess I shouldn't care what anyone thinks of gays.
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I didn't say you.
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Sure, sure, make fun of the kid with the name his sister should have.
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Are you sure? Just in case.
Sure, sure, make fun of the kid with the name his sister should have.
Sure, sure, make fun of the kid with the name his sister should have.
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Sounds delectable. Just like Mel Gibson's full head of back hair.
How many times do you think he's had his hair retransplanted? There probably a little pubic hair up on his head. The head on his upper body, that is.
How many times do you think he's had his hair retransplanted? There probably a little pubic hair up on his head. The head on his upper body, that is.
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Hey, how am I close minded? Why do you feel I don't think for myself??
Red Eye, sorry bud but that guess had absolutely no truth to it, other then the fact that I do have a mom and a dad. Of course, those descriptions of them sure missed the bowl.
Red Eye, sorry bud but that guess had absolutely no truth to it, other then the fact that I do have a mom and a dad. Of course, those descriptions of them sure missed the bowl.
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Please, take your time to ruminate to illuminate. Sorry, had to say it, don't know why, just had to. And if not, that's fine to....you don't owe me an explanation for anything, but if you feel so compelled to do so, than by all means, please do so.
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As per Duke's request, I have something to add, thus I am putting it here.
rjensen11 is damned because goats, as you may know, sometimes turn up a homosexual specimen, as well as dogs, but it is very rare, as humans are developed enough to recognize any of these conditions within themselves. Gay people are more affected by AIDS by normal sexual practices, and also may contract other STDs by means of it, which will not be discussed here. I honestly think that religion may be to blame for the anti-gay movement, as church-goers/religious types seem to be the only people in this modern society that repent it. Fact is, if it happens without chemicals/man-made causes, it is natural, if rarer than straight offspring.
rjensen11 is damned because goats, as you may know, sometimes turn up a homosexual specimen, as well as dogs, but it is very rare, as humans are developed enough to recognize any of these conditions within themselves. Gay people are more affected by AIDS by normal sexual practices, and also may contract other STDs by means of it, which will not be discussed here. I honestly think that religion may be to blame for the anti-gay movement, as church-goers/religious types seem to be the only people in this modern society that repent it. Fact is, if it happens without chemicals/man-made causes, it is natural, if rarer than straight offspring.
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Just re-reading a little of this thread and I noticed that it was left off in the middle of an argument (5 years back).
This confuses me a bit. Admittedly I haven't read the whole thread, so if I'm retreading, just tell me and I'll go re-read. But why do you (did you) think that incest would be viewed similarly to homosexuality from a social/moral perspective? Incest causes real physical and mental problems with offspring. In my mind, that means it'll never be socially acceptable. Homosexuality on the otherhand harms nobody. Even if you think it harms the people involved, they're doing it consensually, and still not harming anyone else - meaning that it's none of our business. That's why it's becoming socially acceptable.
This confuses me a bit. Admittedly I haven't read the whole thread, so if I'm retreading, just tell me and I'll go re-read. But why do you (did you) think that incest would be viewed similarly to homosexuality from a social/moral perspective? Incest causes real physical and mental problems with offspring. In my mind, that means it'll never be socially acceptable. Homosexuality on the otherhand harms nobody. Even if you think it harms the people involved, they're doing it consensually, and still not harming anyone else - meaning that it's none of our business. That's why it's becoming socially acceptable.
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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=452183&postcount=215
Seems there is a lot of background info leading up to, and following that quote.
Maybe there was a reason it was left alone for 5 years.
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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=452183&postcount=215
Seems there is a lot of background info leading up to, and following that quote.
Maybe there was a reason it was left alone for 5 years.
I read that post before responding earlier. I still don't understand. I'm guessing that the reason it was left alone was because the two of you got tired of talking about it. I'm sure 5 years is enough time to rest.
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<edit> Never mind... should probably have payed attention to the dates of the posts... 
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