Wallbanger's 1st annual million credit FF Summer Shootout!(6/19/11 final 7/17/11)

If somone wants to try :

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raVer
 
CSLACR
So where do we post to register as a driver? This thread or the other?
Also I might have missed it, but when does the driving portion start?
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Congratulations you just registered as a driver.:sly:

For the FF shootout the driving starts as soon as people start posting their cars and tunes.

For the CT230R shootout you can start testing those tunes immediately. Just be aware that some of us tuners are inveterate tinkers who will keep updating our tunes.

For the FF shootout that won't be an issue as final tunes have to be in by July 2nd.
 
That your car tune submission for the shootout -raVer-?

If so I'll go ahead and post your name and car up top.
 
Your entry is posted -raVer-.

Note it would be helpful to the drivers if the tuners could list where the car is found...i.e. NCD or UCD. I will add that to the entry list as well.
 
How about, once the tuners are done with it, we get them to send us there cars? So that way, they can't make any adjustments to the tune after it's been posted and we'll just pass the cars around until we're done with all of them. After that, we'll just send them by to their owners.
 
balang_479
I'd like to be a tester but also enter a tune. Any chance of a compromise? eg I don't post a time for my car.
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Sorry balang.
Just trying to ensure that people can't complain about unfair conditions or overly biased test results.
I'm sure we'll get enough discussion about final results as it is.:nervous:

So I'm afraid you'll just have to pick one category.

Tuners are free to drive their car and others, and post times for comparison but those times will be considered benchmarks only and not used to determine the winner.
 
Onboy123
How about, once the tuners are done with it, we get them to send us there cars? So that way, they can't make any adjustments to the tune after it's been posted and we'll just pass the cars around until we're done with all of them. After that, we'll just send them by to their owners.
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It would work for me. Guess that's up to the tuners.
However since the Drivers are to go off the posted tune it really doesn't matter what the tuner does to their original.
 
Yea, but it just makes it easier for us if the cars were just passed around. After all, a review only takes an hour or two to write...
 
Onboy123
How about, once the tuners are done with it, we get them to send us there cars? So that way, they can't make any adjustments to the tune after it's been posted and we'll just pass the cars around until we're done with all of them. After that, we'll just send them by to their owners.
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Might be a good idea to PM XDesperoto the Tunes, but not everybody can pass cars around. That also limits the car to one Driver at a time. IMO it would overcomplicate things.
 
I'd love to register as a driver. I'd feel good about giving back to the tuning community after using so many of the public tunes available.

How long will the testing phase last? I'm a bit limited in my gaming time due to family commitments, and also if one (or more) of the tuners uses a less available car from the ucd it might complicate things a bit.

Just realised I missed the bit about the 16th July, but is that your time in Oregon or GMT or something else?
 
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Not if you use duping, I'm not a fan of it, but when it's for something productive, I suppose it's fine. If the cars are from the UCD, you almost won't have a choice, but to send or at least share them.
 
I'll throw my hat in as a driver. 👍 Should we be lapping the cars as they are posted or are we to wait until all are posted and begin after the submission deadline?
 
tris_73
I'd love to register as a driver. I'd feel good about giving back to the tuning community after using so many of the public tunes available.

How long will the testing phase last? I'm a bit limited in my gaming time due to family commitments, and also if one (or more) of the tuners uses a less available car from the ucd it might complicate things a bit.
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Welcome aboard tris!
As I stated in the rules deadline for tuners to submit cars is July 2nd. Drivers have until July 16 to complete time trials at Grand Valley Full track and post their times, along with any notes and reviews they wish to make.
 
DigitalBaka
I'll throw my hat in as a driver. 👍 Should we be lapping the cars as they are posted or are we to wait until all are posted and begin after the submission deadline?
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Welcome aboard DigitalBaka!
Feel free to start lapping the cars as they are posted.
 
XDesperado67
Welcome aboard tris!
As I stated in the rules deadline for tuners to submit cars is July 2nd. Drivers have until July 16 to complete time trials at Grand Valley Full track and post their times, along with any notes and reviews they wish to make.
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Thanks mate. You were typing as I was editing. I'll look forward to seeing the rest of the tunes!
 
I am a medium level driver, a fan of the FF cars and will commit to 10 laps per car/tune. Is that enough? Am I enough?
 
-raVer-, I just checked your entry and it's still 8PP over the limit, is there a typo or did you not double check?
Edit: I'm sorry, it's Me, MY problem. Forgot my ITR was oil changed, so I removed the ecu to put it under the limit, should that suffice? And I noticed that you don't have a brake balance setup? Deliberate? Skipped? Forgot to add?
 
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Or take the Powerlimiter ;)
Brake balance is up to the Driver.I mostly use default or less Brake bias.

raVer
 
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Milldrum
I am a medium level driver, a fan of the FF cars and will commit to 10 laps per car/tune. Is that enough? Am I enough?
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That is awesome, and your a GTP member, your definitely who we want Driving these Tunes & giving us your Time, Times, & Feedback. Welcome Aboard.
 
Milldrum
I am a medium level driver, a fan of the FF cars and will commit to 10 laps per car/tune. Is that enough? Am I enough?
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Sounds like the type of driver we would love to see more of.
Welcome aboard Milldrum!

Alright folks I'll leave you for a few hours so I can catch a little sleep before work tonight.

Sleeping while driving my Cuore TR-XX in GT5 can be funny...sleeping while driving my Jeep Liberty Sport when working tends to be not so funny!:lol::crazy:

Drive hard and have fun ya'll!:cheers::gtpflag:
 
Now, as we all should know, FFs come in two flavours. One is a boring, practical, safe and steady shopping trolley for the elderly, the other, is a fire-spitting hot hatchback which delivers supercar fun with everyday practicality. Today, I’m looking at the latter. And not just one, but 20 of them. This is probably the biggest review I’ve ever done, and probably the biggest review of hatchbacks since the 12 car shootout done by racer39658. Here, in no particular order, are the entrants:

Volvo C30 - VTiRoj

Honda Integra Type R ’04 (DC5) - -raVer-

Honda Integra Type R ’04 (DC5) - Praiano63

Honda Integra Type R ’04 (DC5) - Jackthalad

Mitsubishi FTO GPX ’94 - Dylans1o

Mitsubishi Eclipse GT ’06 - Drewsifer3x

Mitsubishi Eclipse GT ’06 - Mafia_boy

Honda Civic Type R ’01 (EP3) - SlowGTR

Honda Civic Type R ’08 (FD2) - Acan

Honda Civic Type R ’08 (FD2) - AssassinTuner

Honda Civic Type R ’08 (FD2) - Cool-dude3007

Honda Accord coupe EX ’03 - D24689

Mazda Atenza 25z ’07 - Adrenaline/Rotary Junkie

Citroen C4 VTS - XDesperado67

Trail Celica ’03 - Dr_slump

Trail Celica ’03 - Basilea

Mitsubishi Mirage Cyborg - C-ZETA

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raVer’s Honda Integra Type R-
Nearly 370hp, FF, downforce at the back, and no LSD. It should be a disaster to drive. Understeer being the main style of cornering. Well, yes, it is that. Understeer is kind of the default setting with this car. Sure, he’s removed some rear downforce to try and force the back out. But that hasn’t really happened. In fact, it’s just made the car trickier to drive. In the normal one, you had to deal with understeer, no easy feat. Now, you have nearly double the power, and double the issues! Because not only does it plough wide in the turns, with the back not nailed to the road, it just gets awfully twitchy when you try to make tiny adjustments. It requires the same smooth style that AssassinTuner’s CT230R needed. It’s a lesson in driving. Minimum input, all precisely measured out, executed at the right time, nearly no margin for error. And when I drive with the precision of a rhino (i.e not precise at all), it means it’s very hard for me to comment on this setup. I’ll have to try anyways, so, here goes. It’s very inconsistent, gripping to the line one minute, then running straight on the next. But the ballast placement means that it does give you a lot of confidence. Too much confidence sometimes. It can fool you into driving too hard, too fast, into a corner and cause it to run wide. It still requires a certain touch to get the most from it.
Unfortunately, I’ve ran out of time at this point, so I’ll leave it to my final impressions to conclude this small review. Bearing in mind that I’m at the airport at the time of typing, all these points I list out are based completely on impressions. The car is very…inconsistent. The large majority of the time, it’s very neutral, if slightly verging towards being slightly understeery. The back will slide around, but it requires for some more aggressive flings to get the back anywhere but trailing behind the front wheels.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.666

Jackthalad’s Integra Type R-
I have high expectations for this. Given that this car had been tuned with some advice from Leonidae, one of the most experienced tuners on GTP, I would expect it to drive with a hint of the fin’s madness weaved into its DNA. And it has, actually. The back is very loose on entry, but not so loose that it becomes hard to manage. Aside from that though, there really is very little I could say about this. It’s hard to fault, but it’s also hard to find any superlatives. But there is one thing that does stand out. Lap times. It’s the only car that’s not a trial Celica to break into the 2:03 mark. I knew it was fast, not this fast though…I’m speechless. It’s just…a very good car to drive……

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:03.961

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.736

Praiano’s Integra Type R-
This car is brilliant. It’s a Honda Integra Type R, so I was expecting a lot to start with. And when you hand it over to someone who seems to be relatively good at tuning, my expectations shot through the roof. I was expecting it to drive like a FF lotus. I was expecting it to have a very delicate feel to it. And I wasn’t disappointed. It may have a turbo (BLASPHEMY I SAY!!), but there’s barely any turbo lag. Nor is there the huge puffs of smoke when the boost kicks in, the tyres aren’t being overwhelmed, they can cope for once. Ok, that’s not all true. Yes, it span its wheels and made smoke, but it’s just telling you to back off, not too hard a job, is it? It’s controllable, very smooth, there aren’t any sudden surges, the boost is very stable. The car doesn’t lurch through the turns, it’ll stay to any line you put it on. And, best of all, you can get it to slide :D Joy of joys, a car which really does seem collected and manageable with a turbo whacked on. All it needs is a hatchback and we have Japan’s true answer to the Golf GTI. Oh, and did I mention lap times yet? It was a 2:04.044. Quite something, to say the least. It’s one of the few cars that leave me properly speechless. What you’re reading here is not an example of my laziness, but rather what happens when I’m blown away. I’m really trying to pick holes, and it’s not really working. Good job, Praiano, you’ve made a Integra that I liked from the moment I set off. I liked Jackthalad’s, but it took quite a bit of time before I saw the light. This though, although painted nighthawk black, it shines out from the rest of the field like the white light from the moon.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:04.044

XDesperado’s C4 VTS-
The C4, I’ve had a history with it. In a previous review, I raced it against a 440hp C4 WRC, and the VTS won. That was with a RKM tune though, and it was on the TGTT, so wrong track, and wrong tune. But driving this, here, now, it still has the same sense of french lunacy, blend in with the trademark oversteer under braking that XDesperado has used in his FF cars. It feels great to drive. Though not in the sense of ‘I feel so in control and I can feel the tarmac under me!’. It’s more of a game of Russian Roulette, everything’s 50/50, only you don’t get a bullet lodged into your brain if you mess up. It may sound odd, but I’ll explain later. It has a feel of the kei car tune that XDesperado made (I urge you all to try it, great fun), but blown up to a full size hatchback and given two times the power. It’s a complete wheelspinning psychopath of a car, this. It’s only restrained by the fact that this car isn’t actually that capable. To get the most out of it, you need to knock it up a gear to keep it from wheelspinning into the redline, and even the, it’ll smoke the tyres hard. But like the one I tested from RKM, you’ll be ready to forgive it’s crappy downsides when you feel the surge of torque and horsepower pull you down the straight. In the corners though, it’s still a bit of a pig. It may oversteer more now, but the fact remains that 400hp going to the front wheels will cause the car to run very wide. So what you’ll have is a car which has a bit of a split personality. On one hand, it’s a wheelspinning, understeering power crazed lunatic with no real ability to turn. On the other, it’s a sideways monkey, looking to brush the paint off its arse by sliding. Both are a good laugh, the understeer for being so wild, the oversteer for just being there in a FF. And when either characteristic seems to be picked at random out of a box with no real consistency, it make it as dangerous, and as tense (if mildly pointless), as playing Russian Roulette. This blind randomness is also reflected in the lap times. On one lap, it did a 2:07.992, the next lap, a 2:14.831, using the same line and driving style.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:06.219 (updated lap time)

VTiRoj’s C30-
This. Is. Insane. I know I said that when I reviewed RJ’s C30 on which this car was based, but this is bonkers on a completely different level. You brake too late, you go straight on. Power too early, you go straight on. Take the wrong line, you go……you get the idea. This car is has a very small sweet spot, you take a corner in the wrong style, and you’ll upset this balance and……you guessed it, go straight on. It demands your full attention, you have to know what you are doing, and brake at exactly the right moment. Too early, you lose speed. Too late, you’re off. This has no margin of error. It’s either you get it right, or you don’t. No grey area. And in my current jet lagged, 0 hour sleep state, that’s not really helpful. One way to get it to point where you want it to go, is to use the handbrake. But you need it to be timed very well, in very small bursts. Too much? Well…let’s just say that the armco will need rebuilding. It does have some other problems as well. The gearing, for example. It ran out of pull with 1000rpm of space to go. I’ve driven one of these with 420hp, and I was told to shift up at roughly 6200rpm for maximum pull. This is the same, it has a very heavy shove of torque that pushes you along until you fall off the turbo’s power range. You have to shift up waayyy before the you touch 7000rpm to get it to go. That’s the low rpm turbo for you. That said, it was the faster than raVer’s Integra, with a lap of 2:05.124. So there is some merit to driving it in a weird way. It’s like driving a truck, you shift early, it has a very heavy feel to the steering, and it has HUGE pull. I have to say, I do derive from a certain boyish thrill when the turbos start pulling. It’s not a ‘POWERRR!!! ARGHH!! I’VE WET MYSELF!!!’ feeling, more a ‘God! This does pack a hell of a lot of shove, doesn’t it.’ feel. You aren’t scared by it, you just watch in awe as the 140mph flashes past. But it’s still a rather strange setup, and I’m not too comfortable with it. It’s the first time with one of Roj’s cars, that a car that I don’t like has not taught me to change my style to suit. In cars like the LFA, the NSX RM (or R1, giving it its RKM banner name), Enzo, and even a humble Nissan FF, I was able to take something away from driving the cars. The LFA, throttle control on the very limit. The NSX, the art of pressuring your opponents (I’m not joking, that’s what you need to do to get the most from it). The Enzo, learning to keep the damn thing on the track when you brake. And the Nissan? That, I learned about restraining myself to get the most from it. And what have I taken from this? This C30? Well……nothing, really. Except two wrongs don’t make one right. I know you didn’t really take this shootout seriously mate. And you shouldn’t have, it’s for fun. But I know you could have done better. Look at the C4 VTS, a 400hp powerhouse that ran around the TGTT faster than Loeb’s rally car. The Civic VTiR, a 280hp V-tec screamer which sticks to the road like glue. You know how to make a FF dance, and you’ve done so on many occasions. Even when some were crippled with crap tyres, you still made them drive like a dream. And yet, with this one…sigh…… Put it this way, I’ve spent more time in the gravel than on the tarmac with this car than I have in any other, rally cars included. But it did beat an Integra, so it does have something to show for the poor drive.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.124

shmogt’s SRT4-
‘I chose this car because I know it is the best FF car out there’, says shmogt. I’m not too sure about that. It doesn’t seem to have the best price to performance figure, that goes to the Honda Integra’s of the world. And nor does it have the Alfa Romeo……style and attitude. It’s just a FF car with more power than god when tuned. Well, not in this guise. Limited to just 340hp, it’s just here because it’s a alternative choice to the Integras and Civics. It’s a fire-breathing dragon of a thing, an American powerhouse, the type of car which has a street brawler’s attitude and packs a deadly punch. And you can feel it, all that brute force, all that energy, all trying to scrabble out of those front wheels. It’s completely bonkers. You drive this car aggressively, I can guarantee the front tyres will be torn from the rim at the end of the lap. Fun though. Wheelspin, smoke, blind, DS3 vibrating like earthquake, exit turn. Note the lack of me mentioning ‘understeer’. That’s because there isn’t much. It’s a gentle tug, at most. It’s just the blinding smoke from the wheelspin that’s the issue. It’s a warning light, it tells you that you’re getting close to the limit. And what you need to do, is ignore this warning, and keep going! It won’t bite, it’s very forgiving. The most it’ll do is push on a bit, and that’s it. So, in that respect, it’s better than some of the Integra’s here, and since it’s actually here, it wipes the floor with the Alfa’s as well.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.406


Brave bear’s Integra Type R-
This car gives you a very confident feeling. It makes you feel like you know what you are doing. The laps are done smoothly and you always feel like you’re going for the fastest lap. And it very nearly was the fastest. A 2:04.153, just behind Praiano’s car. This is partly due to the very controllable understeer. It can be handled by idiots, this car. It’s so easy to drive, there’s very little understeer. There’s a lot of wheelspin though, but it’s expected. I’ve not got much more to say about this, except it’s a confident car, and is hard to fault.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:04.153


AssassinTuner’s Civic Type R-
I’ve never liked Civics, to be honest. Especially when they’re modified. Too ricy. Too in your face. And has quite a lot of faults. This is roughly the same. The wheelspin, for a start. It will rip the tyres up every time you touch the power when you corner. It means that you can’t really gain much exit speed, unless you lessen the steering angle. But then you’d plow straight on and understeer. Then, there’s the gears. When you shift, the whole car stalls as the gears are swapped, the engine drops off the power band and gets back, and then puts you into the next gear. Irritating, to say the least, when you’re cornering or when you need the power. Sounds……typical, to be honest. But, the difference here is, this setup is so good, it’s just shoves those faults aside. This is quite a car. I’m on my 9th lap, still not bored. It’s the one exception, this is the only Civic Type R that I can honestly say I like. And with good reason. The handling, for instance. There isn’t really any trace of understeer. Yes, it’ll push wide on a few corners, but if you shift one or two gears up and use the torque from the turbos to haul you out, it’ll pull itself back in line. The back is very planted, there’s no nervous twitches or slides, kind of the opposite to XDesperado’s C4. It’s also fast. Very fast. 2:04.218, putting it ahead of the C30 and just behind brave bear’s Integra.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:04.218

Acan’s Honda Civic Type R ’08-
This feels as close to a touring car as you can get. The grip, there is so much that there isn’t really any understeer. The power, the gearbox and power limiter was set up to deliver as big a punch as possible for this power level. It is so glued to the road it feels like it’s on racing tyres. The wing on the back seemed unnecessary, but it’s there to give the back the grip that makes it so astonishingly good through the corners. You never need to worry about understeer. I like this, this seemingly endless amount of grip and the surge of power once you pass 5000rpm. It feels like it’s got a much bigger engine and a much fatter set of tyres than it really has got. It has a nice, muscular feel to it. Quite a nice drive, this.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:04.580

Adrenaline Junkie’s Mazda Antenza 25Z ’07-
This is a surprise. The nice sort. Of all our entrants, this one is the least…uncouth. And a hell of a sleeper. It drives surprisingly well, with next to no wheelspin, despite being the most powerful car here. There’s no understeer either, but that’s to be expected. As is the oversteer. It seems to be set up just for sliding through bends. The brakes, for example. They are biased towards the back (by a long way), and if you hold down on them, they’ll help throw the back out. It’s then up to the ballast and your steering angle to decide how far you slide and how ridiculous the angles are. 90º, in my case. It’s a joy to drive. Like driving the C4 but toned down ever so slightly. And I’ll shut up now, before someone throws an egg at me and shouts ‘bias!’. But at least I’ll have a good car to get away in. This. I’m pretty certain this is the most fun FF in our shootout.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:04.015 (updated lap time)

Dr_slump’s Trial Celica ’03-
This is a car which, from the very first moment you turn into a corner, you know it’ll be fast. Weighing in at a feather weight 980kg, it’s the second lightest car of the bunch, and it’s not exactly down on power either. This combination of light weight, high power, aero aids, and a suitable setup means this dances through the corners. It feels alive, it’s fun, but it’s also rather showy. Not that that matters. What matters is that it’s the fastest. And not just faster. By nearly a second, with a lap of 2:03.284, it blitzed everything. It’s also one of the only cars which has no wheelspin at all, nor much understeer. Just yards of grip and tail out action. It’s fantastic. Personally, I think it should be outlawed. It’s just cheating, because we know it to be fast, but beating the fastest Integra by a second is ridiculous.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:03.284

Basilea’s Trial Celica ’03-
A little bit more wheelspin, a little bit more understeer, a little bit more fun, a little bit faster. That’s what this is. A little bit of an improvement compared to dr_slump’s. It’s 0.2-ish of a second faster, I case you’re wondering. This is a great car. Every bit like dr_slump’s, yet every bit has been improved on. The oversteer is more…noticeable, the car handles just as competently and I’ll be very surprised if anything can beat it. It’s good fun this car, but it’s more than that. It’s a giant killer, and one I rather like. This is a boarderline race car. Just shrouded behind the veil of a riced up Celica. Don’t take this lightly, it packs a hell of a punch. Bring it on, Monkey boys, let's see what the baboons at GME have to say about this. Not much, I'd wager. This is just fantastic…shame I sold mine though :ouch:

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:03.152

Mafia_boy’s Mitsubishi Eclipse GT ’06-
Nothing much to see or say here. It’s……average. Ok, better than average, but has few superlatives. Understeers like the C30, wheelspins like mad, and isn’t that great to drive…It’s fast, but not blindingly quick, it can match some Integras, but the Mazda and the Trial’s are out of it’s reach as of now. It’s not too bad on the high speed corners (of which there are at most 3) but in the slower ones, it just understeers a bit too much for my liking.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.106 (I WAS SOO CLOSE TO THE 2:04 MARK!! GOT RED FLAGGED FOR SAVING A SPECTATOR’S LIFE -.- :grumpy:)

D23689’s Accord Coupe EX ’03-
Understeer, tyre smoke, and then more understeer. These are the…what’s the word…faults…that plague this car. The only way around this lack of steering abilities is by tapping the brakes to help you tuck the nose into the turn. It’s a slightly different style which takes some time to get used to, and although it’s very composed and controlled when you exit a few corners, it still can’t power out of most of them without you shifting up to get to the low end torque. Maybe because it was based on a drag racer, maybe because of GME’s tendency to tune cars for drag, but either way, unless the corner is no more than a gentle kink, it will try to push wide. It could just about keep up with Mafia_boy’s Eclipse with a time of 2:05.276. But it’s not my kind of car, this.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.276

Cool-dude3007’s Honda Civic Type R ’08-
It feels like the slowest of the three from GME, and the slowest Civic ’08 here, but it can keep up remarkably well with AssassinTuner’s Civc in the corners. It’s not too bad, there’s some understeer, some wheelspin, but in controllable amounts. It’s only on the straights does this car start losing out to all the others. But, unless I’m mistaken, this is the only Civic ’08 which isn’t burdened with a whacking great turbo. And it shows. The power doesn’t surge up, it’s a more restrained affair this. It allows for the tyres to cope with the power, rather than have them torn off the rim with one lump of power kicking you out of turns. It feels smoother. More refined. I think I’ve found the only GME car from this bunch that I would keep given the choice. And it’s a Honda Civic, the car I hate to hell and back. Quite a surprise.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:04.721

SlowGTR’s Honda Civic Type R ’01-
Nothing much to say here, good all round, has its fair share of over and understeer. It has the tendency to understeer on faster corners but I can’t find anything else out of the ordinary with this. The power is quite smooth with its delivery, a gentle curve of torque which does its bit to stop the car spinning away all those 341 horses.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.15


C-ZETA’s Mitsubishi Mirage-
The combination of small car, big power, and a FF drivetrain was always going to end in tears. Tears and understeer, for that matter. To corner properly in this, you need to try and keep the engine off the boost. The moment the boost builds, it’ll start wheelspining. But it’s near impossible, because the gears were set up to get this bonkers microcar down the straights as quickly as possible, it means you either stall it, or rev the nuts off it in the turns. But I do like this lunacy though, it’s a puppy dog enthusiasm mixed with some turbocharged punch. It’s fun watching it scrabble for grip in the corners and then eat the straights up. Just me though.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:09.307 (DON'T LAUGH!!!! -.-)

Drewsifer3X’s Eclipse GT ’06-
Understeer. This is the only word in this car’s dictionary, highlighted in green, written in bold and in font size 20. This is the dominate first impression. Hateful, dull dreary understeer. It takes the best part of three laps to re-learn how to drive it. You need to drive it like you would with a wheel. Trickle the power on, gentle with the steering is the way to succeed in this car. Other issues? Well, 5th is practically non-existent, you shift into 5th and then into 6th instantly. 6th drops the revs too low, there’s barely any grunt left. A more balanced gearbox is all that’s really needed.
Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.067

Zero_speed’s Honda Integra Type R-
Weird one this. With it’s nose pointed at the sky and the back slammed to the floor, it certainly seems to be tuned different compared to all the other Integras here. But get pass the weird suspension, and you’d find not much out of the ordinary here. It doesn’t really oversteer, doesn’t really understeer, quite nice to drive, quite quick, and quite likable, I guess. 4th fastest Integra here, which, although it doesn’t sound like much, is still a good achievement.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:04.174

Dylans1o’s FTO GPX ’94-
I’ve put this till last for a reason. I could never drive it properly. This will always get me at some stage of the lap, red flagging it or just sticking me in the sand. It’s a devil. But instead of giving in, I’ve taken this car for a few races to get used to it. I appologise to the tuners who think of this move as bias testing, but it is for the best to give every car tested a fair chance. Right. That’s dealt with, on with the car. It has its fair share of over and understeer, as well as wheelspin and slingshot acceleration. But it just takes too much effort to get it around a lap quickly. It took me 5 attempts, and many more before, to get into the 2:05 time bracket. All the other laps were 2:07s. This has something to do with the car’s unstable handling. And by unstable, read as tricky little ****** which oversteers like mad sometimes before running straight on. I’ve finally mastered it though (-ish), but it’s really not my kind of car.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.256

Lap time board:

2:03.xxx
Basilea’s Trial Celica- 2:03.152
Dr_slump’s Trial Celica- 2:03.284
Jackthalad’s Honda Integra Type R- 2:03.361

2:04.xxx
Adrenaline/Rotary Junkie’s Mazda Atenza 25Z- 2:04.015
Praiano’s Honda Integra Type R- 2:04.044
Brave bear’s Honda Intgera Type R- 2:04.153
Zero_speed's Honda Integra Type R- 2:04.174
AssassinTuner’s Honda Civic Type R- 2:04.218
Acan’s Honda Civic Type R- 2:04.580
Cooldude’s Honda Civic Type R- 2:04.721

2:05.xxx
Drewsifer3X’s Eclipse GT- 2:05.067
Mafia_boy’s Eclipse GT- 2:05.106
VTiRoj’s Volvo C30- 2:05.124
SlowGTR’s Honda Civic Type R- 2:05.150
Dylans1o’s Mitsubishi FTO- 2:05.256
D2’s Honda Accord- 2:05.276
Shmogt’s Dodge SRT4- 2:05.406
RaVer’s Honda Integra Type R- 2:05.666
XDesperado’s Citreon C4 VTS- 2:05.669

2:06.xxx or more
C-ZETA’s Mitsubishi Mirage Cyborg- 2:09.307
 
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Onboy123
Ok, last review before I leave, not even sure if I have the time to cover all the details?

raVer?s Honda Integra Type R-
Nearly 370hp, FF, downforce at the back, and no LSD. It should be a disaster to drive. Understeer being the main style of cornering. Well, yes, it is that. Understeer is kind of the default setting with this car. Sure, he?s removed some rear downforce to try and force the back out. But that hasn?t really happened. In fact, it?s just made the car trickier to drive. In the normal one, you had to deal with understeer, no easy feat. Now, you have nearly double the power, and double the issues! Because not only does it plough wide in the turns, with the back not nailed to the road, it just gets awfully twitchy when you try to make tiny adjustments. It requires the same smooth style that AssassinTuner?s CT230R needed. It?s a lesson in driving. Minimum input, all precisely measured out, executed at the right time, nearly no margin for error. And when I drive with the precision of a rhino (i.e not precise at all), it means it?s very hard for me to comment on this setup. I?ll have to try anyways, so, here goes. It?s very inconsistent, gripping to the line one minute, then running straight on the next. But the ballast placement means that it does give you a lot of confidence. Too much confidence sometimes. It can fool you into driving too hard, too fast, into a corner and cause it to run wide. It still requires a certain touch to get the most from it.
Unfortunately, I?ve ran out of time at this point, so I?ll leave it to my final impressions to conclude this small review. Bearing in mind that I?m at the airport at the time of typing, all these points I list out are based completely on impressions. The car is very?inconsistent. The large majority of the time, it?s very neutral, if slightly verging towards being slightly understeery. The back will slide around, but it requires for some more aggressive flings to get the back anywhere but trailing behind the front wheels.

Lap time-Grand Valley Speedway
2:05.666
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Thanks for trying out 👍

The car was tuned with a DS 3 and I´m a very aggressive Driver.


raVer
 

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