Ford Fiesta Thread: MK8 ST with 200 BHP 3cyl EcoBoost

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I am so glad this week is over in a few hours. All I seem to do this one is step on everyone's toes.

Pah. I still like the Sedan. I'm weird like that. :3
 
Jim Prower
I am so glad this week is over in a few hours. All I seem to do this one is step on everyone's toes.

Pah. I still like the Sedan. I'm weird like that. :3
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I like the sedan too. Although it has a weird smooshy-look to it. Still, I'm a sedan guy. :D
 
The only subcompact sedan that looks anywhere close to right:
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And you don't get it in America. The Aveo is too tall and narrow. The M2 is way too tall and narrow (though the trunk is incredibly big), the Fiesta and Yaris sedan both have the swooping belt-line issue (as the M2 does)... but at least the Fiesta gets a huge trunk, too...

Nothing beats Honda's trunk... 500 insane liters of space (as a comparison, a typical Corolla/Civic class car has about 400+ liters of trunk space).

And the front isn't half-bad to look at:
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I always quite liked the SX4 sedan.

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Though it's by no means a well balanced design. And is technically the next size up from a Fiesta.
 
I definitely agree that sedans only start to work styling-wise the bigger you go. Stuff from the Focus class generally looks okay (there were some quite nice ones around in the early nineties when that class was a bit smaller though, though cars weren't as chunky back then either so you could have more "elegance" despite compact dimensions) and then anything 3-Series sized and up works very well. Conversely, any hatchbacks bigger than the Mondeo-size class start looking very ungainly and slab-sided.

Going smaller again actually, there were a few decent looking subcompact sedans in the 80s. I'm mainly thinking Vauxhall Nova and VW Polo/Classic:

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Both are well proportioned despite their size. Modern regs won't let you get away with that any more, unfortunately.

I think the Riley Elf is as small as you can get with the traditional sedan design :lol:

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homeforsummer
Going smaller again actually, there were a few decent looking subcompact sedans in the 80s. I'm mainly thinking Vauxhall Nova and VW Polo/Classic:

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Both are well proportioned despite their size. Modern regs won't let you get away with that any more, unfortunately.

I think the Riley Elf is as small as you can get with the traditional sedan design :lol:

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Sedans typically always looked better proportioned back then I think. The trendy design cues and regulations of today are what makes small cars look idiotic. The ascending belt line and the pedestrian-safe hoods are the main culprits.
 
Pedestrian safe hoods are not the problem. Cargo space for the footprint is the problem. If you're trying to get Corolla-man to downsize to a Yaris/Fiesta/Mazda2/Fit sedan, you have to assure him it'll have the same utility. That means tall and deep trunks. I'm betting it's perfectly easy to get a classic 80's or 90's style slim hip point... but only if you're willing to put up with 80's or 90's cargo space.
 
Like the ST a lot.
Especially this Focus ST-ish Front Bumber. Makes this thing a lot better.
Now just a little different rims, instead the normal Sport rims, and this thing would be perfect!
 
I would still be plenty happy with Ford using the new 2.0L I4 from the Focus (good for 160 BHP) in an American Fiesta ST. Although the extra 20 BHP will be greatly appreciated, I get the feeling it is going to be awfully expensive to use that kind of setup. Use the 2.0L, have the boys at SVT do the suspension work, and give it a (much needed) short-throw shifter.

It wouldn't take a lot of work, and in all honesty, it shouldn't add more than $5,000 to the window sticker if done properly.
 
YSSMAN
I get the feeling it is going to be awfully expensive to use that kind of setup. Use the 2.0L, have the boys at SVT do the suspension work, and give it a (much needed) short-throw shifter.
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Bro. The plan is to start using nothing but Ecoboost engines, eh? Which means that the 2.0 is just a stopgap at the moment, eh? Why make it use a different engine - that would require retuning of the suspension for differences in weight, possibly transmission adaption or engine mount modification...and that all costs money. Just bring here what is over there. It already has the Ecoboost which is the whole point of Ford's new engine plan.

The EP3 is the same size as this and had 160 horses 7 years ago. The EK Civic Si had it in 1999. The Del Sol had it in 1995. They'll be filling a niche against the current Civic Si, which is probably due for more power anyway, and the Cooper S, which is also due for more power. Within just a few years this Fiesta ST will be the underdog with that puny 1.6T.
 
Leonidae@MFT
So, JCE, have you found a buyer to your Focus SVT yet? :lol:
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It is going to be hard to sell my SVT for what it is actually worth especially since you can get these kinds of rockets factory. :lol:

And that post you quoted of me was back in the time period where I didn't think I'd want (or need) something for utility. :D
 
Keef
Why make it use a different engine - that would require retuning of the suspension for differences in weight, possibly transmission adaption or engine mount modification...and that all costs money. Just bring here what is over there. It already has the Ecoboost which is the whole point of Ford's new engine plan.
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I'm not completely against the EcoBoost 1.6L, but hearing that they're going to want to charge $20K for the thing makes my toes curl a bit. If they were to use the DIG 2.0L I4 from the 2012 Focus, losing (maybe) 20 BHP, they could save some money, and sell the car for less.

Otherwise, the car is awesome as-is.
 
YSSMAN
I'm not completely against the EcoBoost 1.6L, but hearing that they're going to want to charge $20K for the thing makes my toes curl a bit. If they were to use the DIG 2.0L I4 from the 2012 Focus, losing (maybe) 20 BHP, they could save some money, and sell the car for less.

Otherwise, the car is awesome as-is.
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$20k is a bargain. The SVT Focus had a base sticker price of $19k. This Fiesta has more power, more kit and most likely a better interior. I think it's a bargain.
 
YSSMAN
I'm not completely against the EcoBoost 1.6L, but hearing that they're going to want to charge $20K for the thing makes my toes curl a bit. If they were to use the DIG 2.0L I4 from the 2012 Focus, losing (maybe) 20 BHP, they could save some money, and sell the car for less.

Otherwise, the car is awesome as-is.
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You CAN spec a Fiesta for well over 20K without the ST package. Cars are simply getting a bit more expensive nowadays.

Interestingly enough, I found out the Sonic is to have the exact same engines the Cruze does...and is about the same size...this weekend at a local auto show.
 
We're eventually going to have to use a lot of these smaller turbo engines, and they're just more expensive. I see now reason that they shouldn't start with that now. I'm upset that VW abandoned the smaller turbo engines in the US market for bigger, thirstier NA engines in the Passat. It would have been cool for the Jetta to get a smaller turbo engine instead of the I5.

But anyway, I don't think $20k is a bad price for the car. The base Fiesta is $3k less than the base Focus, so I see no problem with the ST pricing. That's still $4k less than the Focus ST.
 
At least $4K less, although I'm betting the ST goes up closer to the original guess of $27K assuming it gets a lot of the Titanium-spec flare.
 
Twenty thousand for a performance-spec Fiesta is a great price. Considering that Ford is moving all their product upmarket anyway, this car at that price will find plenty of buyers.
 
My SVT stickered for like 23k when new.

The performance difference alone should be enough to sell people. 10 more hp, 200 fewer pounds and I'm quessing a lot more torque. This car should at the least be able to hold it's own against a GTI. If my car does 60 in 7 seconds this new ST should be pretty nifty.

Then you add the better interior materials, better fit and finish, better standard equipment, better fuel mileage (it's dismal in the SVT) and a limited run (10k-15k) and this car at 20-25k depending on options should be no problem.
 
This thing is going to give the Cooper S a run for its money here in the states. I'm sure it'll be cheaper to buy as well as own and operate. We won't be getting the three door in the states unless they decide to bring the configuration to the normal Fiesta line up, which is a possibility. Even as a 5 door it will be pretty cool, although it won't look as sporty.

I do wondering if the sedan is going to get the same treatment?
 
The US needs the 3dr ST! That thing looks awesome. I do have one complaint though, it would roughly be the same size and a similar power to my SVT--one would think they could squeeze out 190-200bhp at least out of that 1.6L turbo...
 
JCE
The US needs the 3dr ST! That thing looks awesome. I do have one complaint though, it would roughly be the same size and a similar power to my SVT--one would think they could squeeze out 190-200bhp at least out of that 1.6L turbo...
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Well, it was designed to compete with the VW Polo GTI, Audi A1 S-tronic and Opel Corsa OPC. All have around 180 horsepower, all accelerate to 100 in 7 seconds. I don't think this needs any more power. If Ford gives it that clever LSD, it should handle beautifully aswell. Sure, they could squeeze a lot more out of the 1.6, like Peugeot, but it could potentially steal customers from the Focus ST which I doubt Ford wants it to.

But, damn, this car looks great. The Focus ST-style front fits the Fiesta beautifully. I think I am in love :drool:
 
JCE
The US needs the 3dr ST! That thing looks awesome. I do have one complaint though, it would roughly be the same size and a similar power to my SVT--one would think they could squeeze out 190-200bhp at least out of that 1.6L turbo...
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The US needs the three door through their entire Fiesta model range.

As for the power, I'm wondering if they ran into torque steer issues. I'm not sure if the Fiestas are equipped with a REVO-knuckle style thing or whatever else Ford calls it, I think the system on my car is called Torque Vectoring Control.

But wait a couple months if and when it gets into production form. You better believe Steeda and FSWERKs will have it tuned up.
 

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