Wallbanger's 2nd Annual FF Summer Shootout
- Thread starter XDesperado67
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- 1,847
- London
- Ziz528
Aha, my Kusabi's time at the top of the leaderboard was shortlived. 
Then again, I didn't expect to stay up there, and I think I can get over losing the top spot to another Kusabi. 
Although ACSR could just be a better driver than I am.
Wai you copying mai car choice?
Then again, I didn't expect to stay up there, and I think I can get over losing the top spot to another Kusabi. Although ACSR could just be a better driver than I am.
Wai you copying mai car choice?
Aha, my Kusabi's time at the top of the leaderboard was shortlived.
Although ACSR could just be a better driver than I am.
Wai you copying mai car choice?
Sounds like an awesome competition between two good tuners, honest competition is the best! Go,go,go!
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- Texas
- acsr421
Aha, my Kusabi's time at the top of the leaderboard was shortlived.
Although ACSR could just be a better driver than I am.
Wai you copying mai car choice?
I was thinking the same thing about car choice when I saw yours posted.
I had just tuned the Copen prior to the shootout and asked Harvey about entering concept cars when he said yes. I went to work on the Kusabi. Funny how both our choices were the same though.
It should be a fun matchup between us.
- 1,847
- London
- Ziz528
ACSR421I was thinking the same thing about car choice when I saw yours posted.
I had just tuned the Copen prior to the shootout and asked Harvey about entering concept cars when he said yes. I went to work on the Kusabi. Funny how both our choices were the same though.
It should be a fun matchup between us.
Will be interesting, that's for sure.
👍 My Laguna Seca times are almost identical to yours, Toscana times are slower, but I'm useless on dirt, it's fun, but I'm not fast.
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- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Okay I now have both of Jkinealy's cars on share.
Just a note that there were some issues with the transmissions as posted. The shared cars have the correct settings but Jkinealy is unable to edit the tunes at this time due to technical problems.
Just a note that there were some issues with the transmissions as posted. The shared cars have the correct settings but Jkinealy is unable to edit the tunes at this time due to technical problems.
obsessive rules
(Banned)
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- CARLISLEcumbria
- warmachine277-
Where would the 1999 insight sit?
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Here is the tune for my Daihatsu Mira TR-XX Avanzato R '97, "Pocket Monster Type R" for the Class A under 1,000CC 405PP division.
Hope your all prepared cause this little terror is going to destroy the competition at Laguna Seca!
Hope your all prepared cause this little terror is going to destroy the competition at Laguna Seca!
obsessive rules
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- 2,002
- CARLISLEcumbria
- warmachine277-
Wait... Is it just your tunes or can any tuner join, also is there a tyre limit. (Im new to this sorta thing)
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Rules for the Shootout are in the OP.👍👍
Please feel free to read them and then sign up.
Also for those Test Driving please insure that the Sports Hard tires are mounted when testing at Laguna Seca. It has been pointed out to me that after running the Dirt tires at Toscana the Car will revert to its stock tires when entering Laguna Seca.
(thanks for the heads up ACSR421)- 22
XD is your psn account the same as your username? Because I sent you a friend request if so. Also the CRZ is shared and I pm'ed the other test driver for his psn name.
I'm really interested in seeing what you guys think of my car, I never had someone else test drive one of my tunes. Also my best time is 1:44.4 and I'm not an expert driver by any means.
I'm really interested in seeing what you guys think of my car, I never had someone else test drive one of my tunes. Also my best time is 1:44.4 and I'm not an expert driver by any means.
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Yes my PSN username for my main account is the same. Please resend the FR as it said you'd cancelled the request.
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Well thats super strange, either way I cancelled the old request and resent the second one.
My CRZ is shared now let me know if its not, I put it up for share before and it unshared itself.
My CRZ is shared now let me know if its not, I put it up for share before and it unshared itself.
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- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
So I jumped in my Class B car all set to do a couple of laps, take some photos and post the tune. Well even though I managed a 1:43.3xx with it I hated the tune, felt like I was fighting with the car all the way around the track. So now I have to see about fixing the tune so it does what I want when I want it to and doesn't make me feel like I'm in a wrestling match the whole time.
Luckily I still have a few days to sort it out!
Oh and my "Pocket Monster Type R" is on share if anyone wants to try it out.
Luckily I still have a few days to sort it out!
Oh and my "Pocket Monster Type R" is on share if anyone wants to try it out.
- 4,079
- Brooklyn, Wi
- krenkme
XDesperado67Also for those Test Driving please insure that the Sports Hard tires are mounted when testing at Laguna Seca. It has been pointed out to me that after running the Dirt tires at Toscana the Car will revert to its stock tires when entering Laguna Seca.
I noticed this yesterday when testing. I thought my driving had gotten worse or I was just too tired. Glad it was just the tires...and my bad driving
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- Valongo
- Hcclipper
I have post new times on the Laguna and Toscana boards. Want to see how fast your ride is? Go to page 9 and check it out!
- 1,847
- London
- Ziz528
I have post new times on the Laguna and Toscana boards. Want to see how fast your ride is? Go to page 9 and check it out!
Hmm... 1.59.8xx when I took my Kusabi round. Interesting though.
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
You can drive to fast through the corkscrew? I didn't know it had a speed limit.Now that tuning is finished I think I'll have enough extra GT time for a bit of testing. Sign me up as a class A tester.👍 I'll try not to wreck all the cars by driving too fast through the corkscrew at Laguna.
Seriously though I love finding that line and diving through the corkscrew with full throttle.
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- London
- Ziz528
Despy I think it would be a good idea to add PSN's to the Testers' post now...
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Okay got you.👍👍Two tunes tested so far...these low powered cars are fun! You can put me down for all of Group A
Looking forward to seeing your results.
I'll get started on that.Despy I think it would be a good idea to add PSN's to the Testers' post now...
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Okay the Classes have been divided into test groups and PSN usernames have been added.👍👍
If there are any errors or I have missed someone please let me know.
Any new tuners will be assigned to groups in a manner so as to keep the number of tuners in each group fairly even. Assignment to groups was fairly random although I did try to separate tuners from the same garage where possible.
Hope this is good for everyone.
If there are any errors or I have missed someone please let me know.
Any new tuners will be assigned to groups in a manner so as to keep the number of tuners in each group fairly even. Assignment to groups was fairly random although I did try to separate tuners from the same garage where possible.
Hope this is good for everyone.
- 5,814
- Hillsboro Oregon
- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
- 330
- Washington
- zigatan
After test driving all 15 Class A tunes the final test results are in!
Testing Details: Tests were conducted with three laps at each track. The best obtained lap time of each course was combined into a total time. Game settings include TCS off, ABS 1, Fuel/Damage off, Grip Real, and Controller Sensitivity 4. The Toscana course time progression setting was reduced to 1 for consistent day light driving. The test drives were conducted using a standard Dualshock 3 controller.
Oh and that feedback I promised... well it became a huge wall of text!
Driver Comments:
XDesperado67 Daihatsu Mira TR-XX Avanzato R '97, "Pocket Monster Type R"
At Laguna this thing lives up to its name! The car will rocket up to speeds over 110mph down the first hill. It took two laps to really get a feel for this car as the entry speed and grip into a corner can easily be too much for proper cornering. The dirt played enemy to the Miras speed and agility. The biggest issues were trying to control the mid-high speed cornering and then acceleration from low speed. The chassis was a bouncy at times but works well enough for the course. Not bad rallying for a muscle kei car considering the tune felt very tarmac focused. Thank you for putting on the event and for such a fun little monster.
ACSR421 Daihatsu Copen "D.T." '02
At first, it feels like there is a lack of torque but once you climb the back hill you can put those worries aside. The corning speed and grip you can obtain with this car phenomenal. The overall speed on the tarmac is up there with the fastest cars in Class A. It is just as quick and easy to drive on the gravel with its ample traction. The chassis is very predictable on the gravel surface even under braking. The only thing that could make this even better would be adding even more power. This is a wonderful rally tune for one of my favorite little kei cars.
Krenkme BE-1 87
On the track the handling is smooth through every corner and the only real enemy to this car is speed. It even slowly accelerates up the hill before the corkscrew. The chassis was easy to predict and control throughout the bumpy Laguna course. Take this Nissan to the gravel and it performs like a FF rally car should. Pickup is great and it is always willing to accelerate even while turning. The corner exit acceleration isnt at all what you would expect from a pre-90s micro car. Great small rally cross crusier!
C-Zeta Toyota Yaris F 99
The Yaris F was fairly slow at Laguna due to its very long gearing in the transmission. The brakes were just strong enough to slow the car for a corner and use the power to partially pull the car through. The mid corner grip was just enough to keep the car on the track and not end up in the sand. The off-road performance was much better. The only real issues were the same as at Laguna. The car tended to understeer on higher speed sections, brakes were enough, and I didnt even come close to using 5th gear. This car needs very high engine rpms to make its power and torque. With a closer transmission, I think this car could have run much faster at both course. Overall, it was a good fun tune at Toscana.
trackripper123 Daihatsu Copen Active Top '02
On the track this Copen is actually very loose and might even badly understeer when on the throttle at the limit. Once you discover traction limitations, this car becomes a speed demon. At Laguna this car has enough speed, handling, and braking performance to take the crown as the fastest Class A car. The car does almost perfect off-road with the exception of rotation under braking. This car really likes straight line braking in the gravel but will still pull the front end around the corners under full throttle if the correct gear is selected. The Copen chassis felt compliant easy to approach the corners. The gearing worked very well for a 5 speed transmission at both tracks. This is the sole Class A tuned car that was able to break in the 1:44s at Laguna! Amazing tune!
jollygreen Daihatsu Sirion CX 2WD (J) '98
The bulkiest looking of the Daihatsus, but this car exceeded my driving expectations on the tarmac. The corner entry, exit, and overall speed were great. This might not be the fastest group A car at Laguna but it certainly feels quick and balanced. The chassis balance was a bit worse on gravel. The power was decent but was more difficult to find grip on the slippery surface. Accelerating out of corners was greatly affected by the tire grip. Even though the car felt slow, it still turned a decent time around both tracks. Very nice balance compared to the other Daihatsu rally cars. Good job!
NEWDRIVER2 BE-1 '87
At first when driving this car, the handling felt stiff and to have understeer when accelerating out of a corner. The top speed was lower than expected due to the close gearing. Once the driver has a feel for the chassis the car was quite fun to see how much speed can be carried through the corners. On gravel the car felt good, just difficult to get each corner entry but exits were always great. The low top speed was not as big a concern on the gravel but the car seems to suffer the same power problems. Overall this is a fun but low powered entry that gave a very enjoyable drive.
OSE_CAP_SHADOW HSV Insight
This was a straight forward car for me to test as I tuned a completely different but same base model of the car for this shootout. This car was moderately quick, had mild understeer, decent handling, and the brakes were excellent. The Insight was about average in overall speed around Laguna even though it was a bit slower in the corners due to tire grip. There was not quite enough mid-range power on the uphill sections of Toscana. The wonderful braking that was present at Laguna became tougher to control off-road. Only uphill cornering gave issue when trying to decelerate and maintain momentum. This is likely also due to grip limitations of the little hybrid and not really a tuner fault but more of a performance limitation. The acceleration and speed once you get this thing moving exiting a corner was excellent. This car drives nicely for a hybrid and has much safer handling then my crazy Insight type-R.
Diogo G. Daihatsu Cuore Avanzato TR-XX R (J) '97
The power band was very interesting on this car. You have great torque at the low end and need to keep the gearing in 2nd to 5th and shift at 6-7k rpms. The transmission seemed geared a bit low for Laguna but the chassis was just fine for lightly tossing the Cuore into corners. Off-road, that low end torque really helps this car accelerate out of the corners. The chassis felt composed on the gravel but the engine lacked the punch to really push the limit. A very easy to drive car once you understand the low end torque and shift appropiately. It might not have had the muscle of the pocket monster but it was still very enjoyable to drive.
LineR32 Kung PAO Micra '89
The PAO has a nicely geared transmission and a fairly predictable chassis. First lap it was simple to find just under the limit in cornering grip. The difficult part is losing too much speed and you have ruined your lap time. This was especially true on the uphill section of Laguna were higher speed drastically cut the PAOs acceleration. This car seemed even more focused to its off-road capability. Its good gearing and chassis allowed it to easily make its way around Toscana. Great corner entry balance combined with its excellent exit acceleration works wonders for this rally car.
Jkinealy Daihatsu OFC-1 Concept Note: Hosted by XDesperado67
As another car with low end torque focused power band, the OFC was greatly affected by a low top speed at Laguna. The car holds its line very well at Toscana with all that low end torque. If the car had slightly taller gearing it might have been even faster instead of shifting to the next gear at around 5-6k for peak power and torque. On both tracks, grip and handling really allow the driver to see just how far they can push the cars limit. Nice tuning!
Moparisgod panda Super I.E. 90: Hosted by krenkme
The chassis felt balanced on most of Lagunas corners and the speed was decent throughout the course. There was difficulty in finding traction on the higher speed sweeping corners but most of the other Class A cars also suffer from this problem. The Pandas acceleration was a bit slow but still managed a respectable time on the tarmac. The gravel killed the Pandas ability to turn while braking. The overall feel off-road was moderate speed and acceleration with slightly slippery grip. It was quite fun for a Panda turned rally car.
Tris_73 Suzuki Cervo SR 07
This tune is a power limited entry that feels balanced overall. The speed was decent and the Cervo used all seven gears. The handling was above average and the brakes worked well on the tarmac surface. This cars stiff chassis seemed very sensitive to bumps that would require corrections to keep a good line for a quick lap. The Cervos off-road capability was wonderful. The car grip at a corners entry and would give only the slightest understeer. Apply the proper gear for exit and the car would pull right around the corner and accelerate toward the next bend. The broad powerband worked very well off-road. Nice job!
Motor City Hami Suzuki Cervo SR 07
All of that grip and the added aero really help this car to become the best handling Class A car on the tarmac. The overall acceleration and speed is good but is still shy of the most powerful Class A cars. Regardless, this was an amazing car to drive at Laguna. What the Cervos handling did toward its lap time at Laguna was even better at Toscana. The seven speed close ratio gear box is just as amazing as the cornering ablity. On gravel you just brake, point, and go with this car! If the driver doesnt like how a particular gear feels for a low speed section he or she has six other gears to select from instead. Had this been marginally faster at Laguna it easily would have won the Class A competition. Great tune!
Thank you tuners, testers, and most of all XDesperado67 for helping create another amazing competition!
Testing Details: Tests were conducted with three laps at each track. The best obtained lap time of each course was combined into a total time. Game settings include TCS off, ABS 1, Fuel/Damage off, Grip Real, and Controller Sensitivity 4. The Toscana course time progression setting was reduced to 1 for consistent day light driving. The test drives were conducted using a standard Dualshock 3 controller.
Oh and that feedback I promised... well it became a huge wall of text!
Driver Comments:
XDesperado67 Daihatsu Mira TR-XX Avanzato R '97, "Pocket Monster Type R"
At Laguna this thing lives up to its name! The car will rocket up to speeds over 110mph down the first hill. It took two laps to really get a feel for this car as the entry speed and grip into a corner can easily be too much for proper cornering. The dirt played enemy to the Miras speed and agility. The biggest issues were trying to control the mid-high speed cornering and then acceleration from low speed. The chassis was a bouncy at times but works well enough for the course. Not bad rallying for a muscle kei car considering the tune felt very tarmac focused. Thank you for putting on the event and for such a fun little monster.
ACSR421 Daihatsu Copen "D.T." '02
At first, it feels like there is a lack of torque but once you climb the back hill you can put those worries aside. The corning speed and grip you can obtain with this car phenomenal. The overall speed on the tarmac is up there with the fastest cars in Class A. It is just as quick and easy to drive on the gravel with its ample traction. The chassis is very predictable on the gravel surface even under braking. The only thing that could make this even better would be adding even more power. This is a wonderful rally tune for one of my favorite little kei cars.
Krenkme BE-1 87
On the track the handling is smooth through every corner and the only real enemy to this car is speed. It even slowly accelerates up the hill before the corkscrew. The chassis was easy to predict and control throughout the bumpy Laguna course. Take this Nissan to the gravel and it performs like a FF rally car should. Pickup is great and it is always willing to accelerate even while turning. The corner exit acceleration isnt at all what you would expect from a pre-90s micro car. Great small rally cross crusier!
C-Zeta Toyota Yaris F 99
The Yaris F was fairly slow at Laguna due to its very long gearing in the transmission. The brakes were just strong enough to slow the car for a corner and use the power to partially pull the car through. The mid corner grip was just enough to keep the car on the track and not end up in the sand. The off-road performance was much better. The only real issues were the same as at Laguna. The car tended to understeer on higher speed sections, brakes were enough, and I didnt even come close to using 5th gear. This car needs very high engine rpms to make its power and torque. With a closer transmission, I think this car could have run much faster at both course. Overall, it was a good fun tune at Toscana.
trackripper123 Daihatsu Copen Active Top '02
On the track this Copen is actually very loose and might even badly understeer when on the throttle at the limit. Once you discover traction limitations, this car becomes a speed demon. At Laguna this car has enough speed, handling, and braking performance to take the crown as the fastest Class A car. The car does almost perfect off-road with the exception of rotation under braking. This car really likes straight line braking in the gravel but will still pull the front end around the corners under full throttle if the correct gear is selected. The Copen chassis felt compliant easy to approach the corners. The gearing worked very well for a 5 speed transmission at both tracks. This is the sole Class A tuned car that was able to break in the 1:44s at Laguna! Amazing tune!
jollygreen Daihatsu Sirion CX 2WD (J) '98
The bulkiest looking of the Daihatsus, but this car exceeded my driving expectations on the tarmac. The corner entry, exit, and overall speed were great. This might not be the fastest group A car at Laguna but it certainly feels quick and balanced. The chassis balance was a bit worse on gravel. The power was decent but was more difficult to find grip on the slippery surface. Accelerating out of corners was greatly affected by the tire grip. Even though the car felt slow, it still turned a decent time around both tracks. Very nice balance compared to the other Daihatsu rally cars. Good job!
NEWDRIVER2 BE-1 '87
At first when driving this car, the handling felt stiff and to have understeer when accelerating out of a corner. The top speed was lower than expected due to the close gearing. Once the driver has a feel for the chassis the car was quite fun to see how much speed can be carried through the corners. On gravel the car felt good, just difficult to get each corner entry but exits were always great. The low top speed was not as big a concern on the gravel but the car seems to suffer the same power problems. Overall this is a fun but low powered entry that gave a very enjoyable drive.
OSE_CAP_SHADOW HSV Insight
This was a straight forward car for me to test as I tuned a completely different but same base model of the car for this shootout. This car was moderately quick, had mild understeer, decent handling, and the brakes were excellent. The Insight was about average in overall speed around Laguna even though it was a bit slower in the corners due to tire grip. There was not quite enough mid-range power on the uphill sections of Toscana. The wonderful braking that was present at Laguna became tougher to control off-road. Only uphill cornering gave issue when trying to decelerate and maintain momentum. This is likely also due to grip limitations of the little hybrid and not really a tuner fault but more of a performance limitation. The acceleration and speed once you get this thing moving exiting a corner was excellent. This car drives nicely for a hybrid and has much safer handling then my crazy Insight type-R.
Diogo G. Daihatsu Cuore Avanzato TR-XX R (J) '97
The power band was very interesting on this car. You have great torque at the low end and need to keep the gearing in 2nd to 5th and shift at 6-7k rpms. The transmission seemed geared a bit low for Laguna but the chassis was just fine for lightly tossing the Cuore into corners. Off-road, that low end torque really helps this car accelerate out of the corners. The chassis felt composed on the gravel but the engine lacked the punch to really push the limit. A very easy to drive car once you understand the low end torque and shift appropiately. It might not have had the muscle of the pocket monster but it was still very enjoyable to drive.
LineR32 Kung PAO Micra '89
The PAO has a nicely geared transmission and a fairly predictable chassis. First lap it was simple to find just under the limit in cornering grip. The difficult part is losing too much speed and you have ruined your lap time. This was especially true on the uphill section of Laguna were higher speed drastically cut the PAOs acceleration. This car seemed even more focused to its off-road capability. Its good gearing and chassis allowed it to easily make its way around Toscana. Great corner entry balance combined with its excellent exit acceleration works wonders for this rally car.
Jkinealy Daihatsu OFC-1 Concept Note: Hosted by XDesperado67
As another car with low end torque focused power band, the OFC was greatly affected by a low top speed at Laguna. The car holds its line very well at Toscana with all that low end torque. If the car had slightly taller gearing it might have been even faster instead of shifting to the next gear at around 5-6k for peak power and torque. On both tracks, grip and handling really allow the driver to see just how far they can push the cars limit. Nice tuning!
Moparisgod panda Super I.E. 90: Hosted by krenkme
The chassis felt balanced on most of Lagunas corners and the speed was decent throughout the course. There was difficulty in finding traction on the higher speed sweeping corners but most of the other Class A cars also suffer from this problem. The Pandas acceleration was a bit slow but still managed a respectable time on the tarmac. The gravel killed the Pandas ability to turn while braking. The overall feel off-road was moderate speed and acceleration with slightly slippery grip. It was quite fun for a Panda turned rally car.
Tris_73 Suzuki Cervo SR 07
This tune is a power limited entry that feels balanced overall. The speed was decent and the Cervo used all seven gears. The handling was above average and the brakes worked well on the tarmac surface. This cars stiff chassis seemed very sensitive to bumps that would require corrections to keep a good line for a quick lap. The Cervos off-road capability was wonderful. The car grip at a corners entry and would give only the slightest understeer. Apply the proper gear for exit and the car would pull right around the corner and accelerate toward the next bend. The broad powerband worked very well off-road. Nice job!
Motor City Hami Suzuki Cervo SR 07
All of that grip and the added aero really help this car to become the best handling Class A car on the tarmac. The overall acceleration and speed is good but is still shy of the most powerful Class A cars. Regardless, this was an amazing car to drive at Laguna. What the Cervos handling did toward its lap time at Laguna was even better at Toscana. The seven speed close ratio gear box is just as amazing as the cornering ablity. On gravel you just brake, point, and go with this car! If the driver doesnt like how a particular gear feels for a low speed section he or she has six other gears to select from instead. Had this been marginally faster at Laguna it easily would have won the Class A competition. Great tune!
Thank you tuners, testers, and most of all XDesperado67 for helping create another amazing competition!
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- 4,079
- Brooklyn, Wi
- krenkme
Phyllobates Terribilis
Based on the Toyota Vitz RS Turbo '02
Based on the Toyota Vitz RS Turbo '02
Found in the Used Car Dealership
206bhp
430pp
201 ft. lb. @5400 RPM of torque
weight 980 Kg
Dispacement - 1496cc
parts
Auto
Engine Overhaul
Paint - Deep Olive Metallic(a)
weight Reduction
None
Engine
None
Intake
Stock
Exhaust
Racing
Manifold
Catalytic
Turbo
High RPM
Gears
Custom
Drivetrain
Twin Plate
Semi-Racing
LSD
Suspention
Custom
Tires
Sport Hard (S1)
ABS = 1
everything else off
Tune
Weight Adjustment...ummm Could someone tell me if I did this... I forgot to write it down
LSD- 18/23/8
GearingIn this order please
Reset to Default
Top Speed - 112
1st - 3.045
2nd - 2.260
3rd - 1.730
4th - 1.322
5th - 1.057
Final - 3.700
Adjust for speed using final gear
Ride Hight - Front: -12 Rear: -5
Spring Rate- Front: 6.9 Rear: 4.7
Extention- Front: 6 Rear: 4
Compression- Front: 3 Rear: 9
Anti-roll Bars- Front: 4 Rear: 5
Camber- Front: 1.8 Rear: 0.0
Toe Angle- Front: -0.19 Rear: -0.02
Brakes- Front: 3 Rear: 7
TUNER NOTES -
Deadly, fun, and sly. Enjoy
Tuned for Wallbanger's 2nd Annual FF Summer Shootout
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