The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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Carbonox

So Ranman, if you find yourself having a crush on a woman already in a relationship, will you cut your eye off because it's what God wants you to do?

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If god asked me to do something I will do it. You can't just say what about this and that. Be realistic, oh and yes I will not have a crush on her if she already in a relationship. She can be my friend but not my lover.

Ranman20

If god asked mee to do something I will do it.

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Seek help.

Back to my old point of, you can't choose your sexuality. If a woman is ins relationship, and I had a crush on her, I couldn't stop that crush just because she is in a relationship. I wouldn't however spoil that for the people in the relationship. You can't choose who you have a crush on, it's nature mate.

Terronium-12

So let me see if I have this straight (no pun intended): you only like women because it's God's standard?

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I have personal affection for woman too.

cgg

Back to my old point of, you can't choose your sexuality. If a woman is ins relationship, and I had a crush on her, I couldn't stop that crush just because she is in a relationship. I wouldn't however spoil that for the people in the relationship. You can't choose who you have a crush on, it's nature mate.

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Nature is scary.

Yes it is. It's the same for everyone though.

cgg

Yes it is. It's the same for everyone though.

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If nobody sexuality is chosen is it given? If a dude gets the ear ring in the right ear does that means he is automatically gay? People judge by material things now.

Ranman20

I chose to be strait because I like girls and I like to follow God's standards.

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So you said to yourself "Hey, I think I'm going to go straight. I will like girls" ?

Are you honestly saying it was a concious decision?

Ranman20

If nobody sexuality is chosen is it given? If a dude gets the ear ring in the right ear does that means he is automatically gay? People judge by material things now.

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Why would you say such silly, silly things?

Ranman20

Its funny where marriage was beautifal(woman and man) now people just marry to prove that it can work out( gays and lesbians) doesn't work like that, sorry.

Reason it doesn't work out, because its not meant to be. Who says? God, oh you don't believe there's a god, then don't reply to me and move on.

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Ranman20

Gays wouldn't ever exist, if Satan never came here

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Ranman20

Homosexuality. Its not meant to be. Here what I have to really say. First off if gays were meant to roam the earth. Wouldn't god just make gays in the first place? Here a small scenrio. Adam and eve are wife and husband. God could had done adam and another man, but no he made man and woman. So homosexuality was created by humans, not common nature. Disagree or agree with me, but its just not right to say gays are naturally born.

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Ranman20

You wouldn't let your naturally gay born 5 yr old be touched by 25 year man, him saying its true love. Keep in mind all gays don't act that way( you already know this). But come on, if you accept gays, then you probably don't care about PETA and their actions.

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Ranman20

What does scientists have to do with homosexuality?

Homosexuality is a alternative lifestyle, its a human made choice.

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Ranman20

We were born(meant to be), strait.

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Ranman20

Found the ultimate answer to all my quoters.

*snip*outofcontextabitrarypassagefrombible*snip*

So gays can change from being homo to being strait

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Ranman20

But you do have the rights to do whatever you like. Your making satan happy. All the people who become gay/ are gay.

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Good evening, Sir. Are you aware that you're talking absolute bollocks?

Do you know why I don't debate about particle physics? Because I don't know anything about it worth a damn. So why oh why do you feel like you've formed some sort of reasonable opinion?

Quite frankly you've shown that you haven't got the faintest idea of what you're talking about, then when questioned slip back into 'oh well I guess I've learned, I'll shut up for a while'.

Ranman20

Instead of trying to shoot others down, why not try to build them up. Enlighten me and try to fix my errors.

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How about because you don't listen? 💡

Now this has to do with religion. I am pretty sure there is one already if I recall. I think I've posted on it, too.

Ranman20

If nobody sexuality is chosen is it given? If a dude gets the ear ring in the right ear does that means he is automatically gay? People judge by material things now.

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Yes. We should all be polite and non-judgmental like you are.

MisterWhiskers

Now this has to do with religion. I am pretty sure there is one already if I recall. I think I've posted on it, too.

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We have one nutcase in here already, we don't need another.

If you mean that this debate is becoming about religion, it still fits here because it is religious opinion about homosexuality. You can't expect the subject of gay marriage to come up without hearing the religious side of it.

Ranman20

I chose to be strait because I like girls and I like to follow God's standards.

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Exactly

JDmsz

Exactly

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When did you decide to be straight?

It's meant to be a man and a woman. Why you think the first people on this earth was a man and a woman? To multiply right? If there was a reason why it should be homosexuality we would know by now. But in my opinion this gay foolishness is nothing but the damn devil getting into weak minded people. Go ahead and disagree, I follow god rules in the bible and no one will tell me otherwise even if it kills me. And that's why he have all these natural disasters from all these people in this world doing sinful acts including me.

JDmsz

And that's why he have all these natural disasters from all these people in this world doing sinful acts including me.

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The all powerful God is throwing a fit because he can't stop the devil from supporting human rights?

Terrible.

Also if the purpose is to multiply, then why bother with marriage? It will just hold you up for 9 months at a time if you're locked to one partner.

Good luck Exorcet, there's no arguing with creationists; they simply don't listen to reason.

JDmsz

It's meant to be a man and a woman. Why you think the first people on this earth was a man and a woman? To multiply right? If there was a reason why it should be homosexuality we would know by now. But in my opinion this gay foolishness is nothing but the damn devil getting into weak minded people. Go ahead and disagree, I follow god rules in the bible and no one will tell me otherwise even if it kills me. And that's why he have all these natural disasters from all these people in this world doing sinful acts including me.

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Yes, natural disasters are the results of sin. Are you serious?

Homosexuality is the result of weak-minded people? Are you serious?

JDmsz

It's meant to be a man and a woman. Why you think the first people on this earth was a man and a woman? To multiply right?

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This is why infertility is the devil.

JDmsz

If there was a reason why it should be homosexuality we would know by now. But in my opinion this gay foolishness is nothing but the damn devil getting into weak minded people.

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Yeah, because the only reason anyone ever has sex is to have children.

JDmsz

Go ahead and disagree

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You're god damn right I will.

JDmsz

I follow god rules in the bible and no one will tell me otherwise even if it kills me.

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That's great. See you in hell if you've ever worn a shirt made of synthetic cloth, eaten shellfish, masturbated, got a tattoo, gossiped, gone to a fortune teller, or had premarital sex.

JDmsz

And that's why he have all these natural disasters from all these people in this world doing sinful acts including me.

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Come on man.


Now, I'll ask you again (because you didn't answer), When exactly did you decide to be straight?

I considered making up a counter-argument for the nutcase of the night, but thought better of it, because well, nothing can be done to help these poor creationists, they have already drowned in stupidity, logical fallacies and ignorance a long time ago.

All I can say is that according to the Bible, mankind had a damn promising start. One man and one woman, then their kids, who had no choice but to inbreed. Lovely.

Ranman20

Humans create rules now, what ever happened to God?

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Give unto Ceasar what is Caesar's, give unto God what is God's.
Love thy enemy as thy neighbor.

Jesus was crucified because his teachings didn't fall in line with the morals the religious leaders of the time preached. He challenged the status quo taught by the men who led the church. He taught forgiveness and love and teaching by example and compassion. When the men gathered to stone a sinner he challenged them to cast the first stone if only they were without sin themselves. He ended the fire and brimstone way of life.

Why can't you be the same? Isn't that what it means to be Christian, to honor him and strive to be like him?

Why do athiest have to exist? Why do people get to have opinions?

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Because God, unlike many who claim to be his followers, believed humans should have free will.

XoravaX

Once again, limiting marriage to just man-woman unions doesn't limit any rights. Similarly, if a gay man is not allowed to marry another man, a straight man can't either - it doesn't de jure trample on gays' rights. On individual level, where legal issues about rights of the people are often looked at, the marriage is as accessible to anyone (law is blind, so to say).

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Kind of like when no one was allowed to marry a black man, no rights were being infringed since it applied to everyone?

Also, European Court of Human Rights has ruled that gay marriage is not a human right: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...human-right-according-to-European-ruling.html

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Well, since it's a decided legal matter there is no argument then.

Wait, is marriage of any kind a human right? Civil, legal?

Again someone who doesn't understand the point of conservatism. Don't fix it if it ain't broke, not "don't change it at all". Slow, controlled change is the key.

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It has taken decades to even get started, and it gets regulated the same as all other forms of marriage. Veeeeerrrrryyyy slow, and controlled.

Well, maybe I exaggerated that a bit, of course we plan on getting married at some point, but I know a lot of people who are "practically married", to the point that our government made new laws regarding "open marriage" (or how should I translate it) that gives partial inheritance rights and such to people who have lived together for a long time.

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We call it common law marriage. The usual is 7 years of cohabitation.

I have to give in a bit, I see that gays may want to show their love in a will to get married as a commitement to each other similarly as heterosexual people want. I know, I cut the corners big time.

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As well as have those closest to them have legal rights and access in medical situations and be able to speak on behalf of each other when they are not legally able to speak for themselves (drugged, injured, etc).

Is there really lack of people willing to adopt children in the US? Here the queues are years long, mainly composed of couples in their 40's who've realised they want to have children at an age too late or are infertile.

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It isn't a lack of willing participants. It is a lack of willing, and good participants. There is also a lot of cases where adopting parents want babies, so kids who were taken from or lost their parents to death are stuck being unwanted.

That's a point, but I bet a lot of people would be against creating such a harem.

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So, you would admit the children/population thing doesn't play as much into it as you make it sound? There is also an icky, "I don't like different things," factor?

Also, I couldn't picture anyone loving five woman at the same time. Really, that's absurd.

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We also have TV shows about this.

I would probably be pretty indifferent about the whole issue, first when I heard about the concept of gay marriage I was pretty sceptic, but having given it some thought I saw it was none of my problem, be it legalised or not.

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One of the biggest threats to society is those who turn a blind eye to the disenfranchisement of others that they don't associate with. It is why millions die in Africa every year.

Anyway, having seen the hostile and rude behaviour of its supporters towards all conservatives (to which I myself strongly identify), I just cannot identify myself to such people who support it.

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Kind of like I'm a Christian and wish Christian conservatives would quit jumping into this thread with confused statements about their faith and an odd belief that Jesus supports hate speech and force? Yet, I still go to church because I come to my own opinions on my own, not because people I don't like happen to have something in common with me on an idea.

This is pretty much seen in one incident in a pub I encountered: there was a small group of people, some of whom I knew (well enough) debating about gay marriage. I thought that because I haven't got strong opinion about it so I don't join them in the debate. They started getting more loud, and then someone started insulting conservatives and conservative values (liberal socialist bogus, nazi card and such). That guy just insulted like a half of the people there, those whom he just had insulted as an argument for gay marriage. I just couldn't help but that argument just cost him all my respect towards him (as was the case between a lot of people and him too).

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Him. Not a group he happens to share a common political idea with.

Making people have such reactions doesn't do well in trying to convince people for the cause. I know a lot of people who would support gay marriage, or at least have nothing against it, but seeing such behaviour by some of the supporters doesn't really make the others (ie. moderate conservatives) support it.

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Google Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robinson, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, and Ranman20 with gay marriage and then explain how this explanation meshes with you being willing to argue their side of the issue.

I hope you see my point why I wondered that is gay marriage some people's war against conservatives.

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Actually, what I hear is someone who says, "They say bad things about people who are like me and I don't like Us being insulted, so I won't agree with their case for equality, while at the same time ignoring that some of Us say bad things about Them and will defend the ideals held by Us despite the company it means I have to keep."

Ranman20

oh and yes I will not have a crush on her if she already in a relationship. She can be my friend but not my lover.

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A crush is just an attraction, not being her lover. And they were referring to Jesus saying that if you see women other than your wife as attractive and can't control that feeling you should pluck out your eye, as it has offended you. Someone talking about God so much should know the reference and it's meaning.

JDmsz

It's meant to be a man and a woman. Why you think the first people on this earth was a man and a woman? To multiply right?

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Because the species dies otherwise, thus it isn't here. Same thing happened to Shakers. No procreation, no continuing of the group.

If there was a reason why it should be homosexuality we would know by now.

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Because we know everything about everything by now.

I follow god rules in the bible and no one will tell me otherwise even if it kills me.

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So you never ate shrimp or bacon, and definitely not shrimp wrapped in bacon? And you find Fig Newtons to be the damn devil getting into tasty snack foods?

And that's why he have all these natural disasters from all these people in this world doing sinful acts including me.

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What happened to the new covenant with Jesus? I don't see where God recalled the Holy Spirit and ended the forgiveness campaign in favor of fire and brimstone again. No wonder we're all screwed, God renigged on the deal.

The rainbow is a lie!!!!

Wait, no, the gays defiled the rainbow and so God will flood us all again. That's it.

TheDrummingKING

Good luck Exorcet, there's no arguing with creationists; they simply don't listen to reason.

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Careful with lumping people into groups and making derogatory statements.

Terronium-12

Yes, natural disasters are the results of sin. Are you serious?

Homosexuality is the result of weak-minded people? Are you serious?

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Hang on, my daughter has you covered.

Carbonox

I considered making up a counter-argument for the nutcase of the night, but thought better of it, because well, nothing can be done to help these poor creationists, they have already drowned in stupidity, logical fallacies and ignorance a long time ago.

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Defending one group by throwing prejudiced insults at another does not make you appear to be the best and brightest either.

FoolKiller

Hang on, my daughter has you covered.

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Because that's not adorable, like, at all...

She'd been watching a tad bit too much NCAA tournament that day with her grandparents and she found Dick Vitale to be hilarious.

She also has a "Yeah baby!" and "That's Awesome!" but I haven't caught it on video yet.

Minor tangent, but it’s stunning to think that this thread has been going on for over ten years now.

Anyway, I’m anti straight-marriage, but I feel like that’s a whole ’nother 10 years of arguing.

I have no problem with religion, or people belonging to them.

People have changed over 2013 years since Jesus' teachings. Religion has not. I don't understand religion, but one thing I do know. Bits of it are morally wrong.

I have a friend who is lesbian and I know of a few gay guys my age. I voted for "nobody's business but the people involved", simply because I regularly witness slandering about aforementioned people I know and that only does harm.

I am a heterosexual and I'm very happy with my girlfriend, but I absolutely see nothing wrong with homosexuality. If a guy loves a guy or a girl loves a girl, then it's what makes them happy and they should pursue happiness in just the same way heterosexuals do. No matter if you're a homosexual or a heterosexual, you wouldn't want your happiness to be ruined by talk, would you?

This is gonna be my last question for awhile. Do you guys who break morals, do you do these things- homosexuality, hetrosexuality, any other immoral things because god said you can't?