GT6: potential savior of the franchise?

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I think it's safe to say that the majority of you reading this are, or were, Gran Turismo fanatics. The biggest fans also tend to be the harshest critics. Anyone that's spent any kind of significant time on this site is aware of the various complaints about GT5.

Do you expect Kaz and PD to address those complaints in GT6? Do you expect GT6 to be "everything GT5 is not?" (however you'd like to qualify that statement.)
 
I've said this quite a few times on this site....GT6 is probably going to make or break the future of the series. :) :(

Another poor title = lol uh oh. Another solid title = GT5, what? Let's move on.

Features I am going to keep an eye out for in GT6:

Livery editor?

Missing classic tracks added?

Different/new approach to A-Spec?

Improved online experience?

Improved sound design?

Strengthened A.I.?

Premium RUFs? (among other manufacturers)
 
I think GT6 would be more of a determining factor that tells us whether GT is advancing or is still stuck in the past. In this sense, GT6 could be the "potential saviour" or the "potential killer."
 
I think it'll be good. GT2 was the second on the PS one and improved the first. Then 3 came and seemed a bit trimmed down and 4 brought back the oodles of goodies. 5 was the trimmed down game and to me was far better than 1 or 3 in terms of content. So I think 6 will have the great gameplay of 5 with MORE everything.
It may not have everything everyone hopes for, but I think it will be a fantastic game and a large step up from 5.
 
maxpontiac
Gran Turismo as franchise needs no savior.
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If it continues to make GT5 styled games they will need one.

As of now, GT6 won't be a saviour, i dont think PD is that far down the hole yet, GT5 is still decent. Even as an incomplete game it is still better than many other games.

But a company like PD can't live on too many "decent" games
 
Brutaka
If it continues to make GT5 styled games they will need one.

As of now, GT6 won't be a saviour, i dont think PD is that far down the hole yet, GT5 is still decent. Even as an incomplete game it is still better than many other games.

But a company like PD can't live on too many "decent" games
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Right, that's the right way imo to put this situation into perspective.

It's not so much a savior because the franchise isn't exactly falling apart like say, the Final Fantasy Franchise. It can however, like said before, be a potential killer.

To me GT5 is just fine, but if I'm honest, I can't ignore the overall vibe from people that GT5 was subpar to people's expectation, and I don't exactly disgree with that. IF GT6 has this vibe again, then, certainly,it won't do good for the franchise.

You're only as good as your weakest link. Gran Turismo may be fine now but that doesn't make it immune to death.
 
PD is gonna tweak and slightly improve GT6 from GT5 and not do any ground breaking changes (or any changes from the forumla), that's the reality of it because they're sacred to do something they're not comfortable with.

We all WANT and WISH GT6 would evolve, innovate, change, be more fun than previous version and stay fresh but in the hands of Kaz (who I believe wants this) with the restriction of PD and investors, it won't happen.

Edit: One that note, this won't break PD if it tanks. It will give them a wake up call and us the fans will suffer the most because we will wait years for GT6 to be released and more years for the real game to come out. 5+ to learn what the fans want, I JUST KNOW IT...
 
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If GT6 sucks as much as GT5, if it is as inconsistant as GT5, if it shows that PD still has no vision for their franchise...then I'll turn my back on PD and see what T10 has to propose.

To me, GT6/Forza5 could be like PES2012/FIFA12...the one that kills fans devotion. Yamauchi could do to GT what Seabass did to PES/WE. Seabass kept saying that they heard the fans and that they would completly rethink their game... but that was pure lies. With GT6 we will definitly know if Kaz is able to put himself into question.

But I would never underestimate Kaz's capacity to make completly wrong/stupid decisions. As a fan of GT from the very first opus (I imported all the games from japan and then rebought them when they came out in Europe), I am fed up with PD's ambiguities in their communciation (we did not know for sure if there were damages in GT5 one month AFTER the release!!!), fed up with his unability to admit GT5's flaws, fed up with the game grinding focus, fed up with Kaz speaking like some kind of cryptic jedi master that says everything is possible...and then never delivers anything, fed up with the lack of community manager, fed up with reading Kaz say he wants nothing but the best and most accurate simulator... when so many things in the game say the contrary, fed up with fanboys defending the guy no matter what, fed up with untested updates that need a patch, fed up with arbitrary game design decisions that make no sense, fed up with the game design and art that is less fun that a surgical unit, fed up with this pompuous style that is supposed to be classy and stylish when in fact it is just boring and completely uninspired, fed up with having to wait 3 minutes and press 25 buttons just to change my car...God this game is soooooo unthought and broken it's not even funny.

To me, as for many many fans i'm sure, GT6 will be the last chance i give PD to get back on track.

Otherwise, I'm more than ready to buy the next Forza.
 
cassiusclay99
If GT6 sucks as much as GT5, if it is as inconsistant as GT5, if it shows that PD still has no vision for their franchise...then I'll turn my back on PD and see what T10 has to propose.

To me, GT6/Forza5 could be like PES2012/FIFA12...the one that kills fans devotion. Yamauchi could do to GT what Seabass did to PES/WE. Seabass kept saying that they heard the fans and that they would completly rethink their game... but that was pure lies. With GT6 we will definitly know if Kaz is able to put himself into question.

But I would never underestimate Kaz's capacity to make completly wrong/stupid decisions. As a fan of GT from the very first opus (I imported all the games from japan and then rebought them when they came out in Europe), I am fed up with PD's ambiguities in their communciation (we did not know for sure if there were damages in GT5 one month AFTER the release!!!), fed up with his unability to admit GT5's flaws, fed up with the game grinding focus, fed up with Kaz speaking like some kind of cryptic jedi master that says everything is possible...and then never delivers anything, fed up with the lack of community manager, fed up with reading Kaz say he wants nothing but the best and most accurate simulator... when so many things in the game say the contrary, fed up with fanboys defending the guy no matter what, fed up with untested updates that need a patch, fed up with arbitrary game design decisions that make no sense, fed up with the game design and art that is less fun that a surgical unit, fed up with this pompuous style that is supposed to be classy and stylish when in fact it is just boring and completely uninspired, fed up with having to wait 3 minutes and press 25 buttons just to change my car...God this game is soooooo unthought and broken it's not even funny.

To me, as for many many fans i'm sure, GT6 will be the last chance i give PD to get back on track.

Otherwise, I'm more than ready to buy the next Forza.
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Yes, I agree. Assuming that the consoles are roughly equal in power, and ignoring potential design decisions (always-on idea leaked by creative director), an underwhelming GT6 would be the tipping point for me buying a next-gen XBox, for Forza.
 
GT6 won't be the killer or redeemer of anything.

People who come out with bullcr*p like "I'm not buying GT6, there's no xxxx" are essentially just attention seeking. There those kinda people who love those "+1"s and just love getting their opinions validated.

Whether GT6 is bad, good, great or phenomenal, it will sell like hot cakes. These 'sheep' who want to have the next big racing game will buy it like it's going out if fashion. And all you 'collectors', are you really telling me you won't buy GT6 even if it's not brilliant? Exactly.
So, regardless of whether GT6 is great or not, it will sell. Were not talking about some unknown start-up company here - people recognise PD and Kaz, and they'll want to be part of the next real driving simulator.

 
Guardian
GT6 won't be the killer or redeemer of anything.

People who come out with bullcr*p like "I'm not buying GT6, there's no xxxx" are essentially just attention seeking. There those kinda people who love those "+1"s and just love getting their opinions validated.

Whether GT6 is bad, good, great or phenomenal, it will sell like hot cakes. These 'sheep' who want to have the next big racing game will buy it like it's going out if fashion. And all you 'collectors', are you really telling me you won't buy GT6 even if it's not brilliant? Exactly.
So, regardless of whether GT6 is great or not, it will sell. Were not talking about some unknown start-up company here - people recognise PD and Kaz, and they'll want to be part of the next real driving simulator.

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GT6 will sell good regardless, you're right but reputation and DLC will sink if more of the same happens.

I like GT5 but not enough to where I bought DLC, my brother bought the Route X DLC and that's it. I may have bought 1 DLC if it went towards a great game but GT5 is not, especially after I paid $60 at launch.

I buy DLC on other games, don't get me wrong (Team Fortress 2) but I see no point in it for GT5...
 
Guardian
GT6 won't be the killer or redeemer of anything.
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I disagree and so it would seem do quite a few others.



Guardian
People who come out with bullcr*p like "I'm not buying GT6, there's no xxxx" are essentially just attention seeking. There those kinda people who love those "+1"s and just love getting their opinions validated.
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They are no more or less attention seeking that you are with this post, so maybe it would be a good idea to lay off the insults and attacks, the AUP is after all rather clear on that and the staff would have hoped you had taken that on board by now.


Guardian
Whether GT6 is bad, good, great or phenomenal, it will sell like hot cakes.
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On that I don't disagree, that however is not what is being discussed.


Guardian
These 'sheep' who want to have the next big racing game will buy it like it's going out if fashion. And all you 'collectors', are you really telling me you won't buy GT6 even if it's not brilliant? Exactly.
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I will not be buying GT6 at launch until I have seen reviews and got feedback from members here, it will be the first GT title that will noyt be bought at launch by me. The only thing that would change that would be a demo that blows me socks off and clearly shows they have moved the series forward in a significant way.

Ohh and the above is only if its a PS3 title, if its a PS4 title then they have to show me that its not just worth buying the game but the console as well. I buy consoles mainly for sims and GT5 has already lost Sony an automatic sale of the PS4 to me (which they had due to the GT series for the PS2 and PS3).

Also, once again it would be a good idea to lay off the insults and attacks, the AUP is after all rather clear on that and the staff would have hoped you had taken that on board by now.



Guardian
So, regardless of whether GT6 is great or not, it will sell. Were not talking about some unknown start-up company here - people recognise PD and Kaz, and they'll want to be part of the next real driving simulator.
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Oh it will sell, but once again that's not the point. Its not a start-up or an unknown and that in part is the problem, a lot of people are unhappy with the issues with GT5 and should GT6 not resolve them it would be rather arrogant of PD and Sony to think that those same people will just buy it.

PD have a lot of work to do to get the series back to how it was and I for one (and I know I am not alone) will not be buying it if it turns out to simple be GT5.5!
 
No franchise, no matter how much it sells in the past, is safe from decline. If PD put out more games like GT5 slowly but surely those sales are going to go down.
 
Who would have thought, 5 years ago, that FIFA would destroy PES as it does now ?

Things change man.. and the best way to fall is to deny change and not put oneself into question.
 
1241Penguin
I think GT6 would be more of a determining factor that tells us whether GT is advancing or is still stuck in the past.
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PD themselves are stuck in the past, so it's very likely that GT6 will reflect that. Apart from the obvious graphical & physics model improvements between the series (GT1 to GT5), it hasn't moved on very much at all in terms of gameplay. The greatest addition to the series for me has been online racing, & I hope they improve that significantly in GT6. I'm not gonna hold my breath though!
 
CayenneGT
PD is gonna tweak and slightly improve GT6 from GT5 and not do any ground breaking changes (or any changes from the forumla), that's the reality of it because they're sacred to do something they're not comfortable with.
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I really don't understand this crazy meme. GT5 was SO different that many of us diehard fans complained for a bloody long time, a few of us throughout the entire life of the game. "Not try new things"?? Oh please... ;)

Now I will agree that the new things they need to try, for the most part, are directly related to cars and motorsports. Things like a Season Mode in some form or fashion, and a more real world Career Mode. Other new things, yes by all means. Things like the Course Maker, even in the gimped form we got, are amazingly cool, just like Photo Mode is. But they do need to give us more creative aspects to personalize our rides, such as giving us good performance bodykits for making semi-pro racers out of daily drivers, a solid powerful Livery Editor, and community oriented goodies for sharing and selling, such as a user Store and Auction House, as well as an Event Maker with potent tools for making offline as well as online races, series, clubs and leagues.

But as max says, Gran Turismo doesn't need a savior, just no more weird experiments like ex. points and paint chips.
 
Tenacious D
I really don't understand this crazy meme. GT5 was SO different that many of us diehard fans complained for a bloody long time, a few of us throughout the entire life of the game. "Not try new things"?? Oh please... ;)
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GT5 was SO different? Oh I have to hear this.....
 
SimonK
GT5 was SO different? Oh I have to hear this.....
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No idea what tenaciousD is talking about... I can't remember having ever red anyone complain that GT5 is too different from the others...

To me, is GT6 fixes all the annoying stuff, gets rid of standards cars/tracks, changes the UI drastically, FIX THE FRAMERATE (most important thing of all!) and gets a decent online mode (where i can race smoothly and fast without having to look for a room that suits me forever...), it will be more than enough to get me happy and buy it day 1.

But that won't bring my passion and respect for PD back. i need more. they have to surprise me, to deliver the unexpected. That's what GT has always done...until GT5.
 
SimonK
No franchise, no matter how much it sells in the past, is safe from decline. If PD put out more games like GT5 slowly but surely those sales are going to go down.
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Agreed. GT5 has many of what I would refer to as "shortcomings" as opposed to flaws. We all see the potential of what "could be" with GT6 and are hoping for improvements in many areas. Some stuff could be groundbreaking, but most of it has been done before, just with other series. Career modes, livery editors, better online race organization, leaderboards and ranking systems, better more realistic sounds, different kinds of cars (50's, 60's, 70's, 80's F1 cars, BTCC etc. ). These are all things we know can be done because others already do them and do them well.

There's nothing wrong with wanting and expecting GT6 to include all of these things. It's supposed to be the leader in the field. It is in terms of graphics, but this is 2013, not 2005. Looking pretty isn't enough anymore, we need form, we need function, otherwise the series is ripe for the picking from someone else that comes along, sees the potential for sim racing and puts the whole package together and does it right.
 
I know it's quite a large difference but to highlight that point look at a company like GM. They were one of the biggest car companies in the world but their sales went down drastically and filed for bankruptcy. I'm not suggesting the same will happen with GT but I'm just pointing out you can't just say "Oh GT sells 10 million copies of each game, it'll always be fine".
 
Johnnypenso
Agreed. GT5 has many of what I would refer to as "shortcomings" as opposed to flaws. We all see the potential of what "could be" with GT6 and are hoping for improvements in many areas. Some stuff could be groundbreaking, but most of it has been done before, just with other series. Career modes, livery editors, better online race organization, leaderboards and ranking systems, better more realistic sounds, different kinds of cars (50's, 60's, 70's, 80's F1 cars, BTCC etc. ). These are all things we know can be done because others already do them and do them well.

There's nothing wrong with wanting and expecting GT6 to include all of these things. It's supposed to be the leader in the field. It is in terms of graphics, but this is 2013, not 2005. Looking pretty isn't enough anymore, we need form, we need function, otherwise the series is ripe for the picking from someone else that comes along, sees the potential for sim racing and puts the whole package together and does it right.
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That's pretty much what we all mean but couldn't find the word that describes GT5 perfectly.

It's a giant leap forward with a few features while the rest are 'shortcomings'.

GT5 in a nutshell...
 
Brutaka
But a company like PD can't live on too many "decent" games
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Considering that to some GT5 is only "decent", I would say the exact opposite could be said.

daus26
To me GT5 is just fine, but if I'm honest, I can't ignore the overall vibe from people that GT5 was subpar to people's expectation, and I don't exactly disgree with that. IF GT6 has this vibe again, then, certainly,it won't do good for the franchise.
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That is a great way to look at it, although GT5 recieved a worse vibe here at GTPlanet then other places.

Scaff
On that I don't disagree, that however is not what is being discussed.
Oh it will sell, but once again that's not the point. Its not a start-up or an unknown and that in part is the problem, a lot of people are unhappy with the issues with GT5 and should GT6 not resolve them it would be rather arrogant of PD and Sony to think that those same people will just buy it.
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It may not be the topic at hand, but sales are a huge factor in GT5 conversations. I have stressed it many times here, but having a game sell over 9 million copies per edition is no easy feat. In fact, there are few games that do this.

So when people come to a website and voice their displeasure over a game, I have to wonder what impact (if any will be felt) by a few gamers who move on to other things.

Tenacious D
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Now I will agree that the new things they need to try, for the most part, are directly related to cars and motorsports. Things like a Season Mode in some form or fashion, and a more real world Career Mode. Other new things, yes by all means. Things like the Course Maker, even in the gimped form we got, are amazingly cool, just like Photo Mode is. But they do need to give us more creative aspects to personalize our rides, such as giving us good performance bodykits for making semi-pro racers out of daily drivers, a solid powerful Livery Editor, and community oriented goodies for sharing and selling, such as a user Store and Auction House, as well as an Event Maker with potent tools for making offline as well as online races, series, clubs and leagues.

But as max says, Gran Turismo doesn't need a savior, just no more weird experiments like ex. points and paint chips.
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Your post says it all..👍
 
maxpontiac
Considering that to some GT5 is only "decent", I would say the exact opposite could be said.
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Once. His point was they can't afford to continue the trend of "decent" games.

That is a great way to look at it, although GT5 recieved a worse vibe here at GTPlanet then other places.
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It has the lowest metacritic score of any major GT game. I'd say it was universally received in lower stead than the others overall. Not by much, but still.

It may not be the topic at hand, but sales are a huge factor in GT5 conversations. I have stressed it many times here, but having a game sell over 9 million copies per edition is no easy feat. In fact, there are few games that do this.
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Yes but as I already pointed out it's not a cast iron guarantee it will continue. You can't just look at that number and decree GT invincible. GM were selling millions of cars but they still ended up going bankrupt.

No I don't think GT6 is going to make or break the series but it's certainly going to be interesting to see how it fairs after GT5 and what direction sales go in. If their games continue to be "decent" they're not infallible, the series CAN crumble.

Just be to clear I certainly do not want that to happen, I want GT6 to be great and I want the series to continue to be popular but I'm just saying it's not a guarantee and "OMG 9 MILLION SALES, GT IS GOING NOWHERE" isn't a wise stance.
 
maxpontiac
That is a great way to look at it, although GT5 recieved a worse vibe here at GTPlanet then other places.
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I've coem across numerous forums in which the exact same feelings are expressed, both gaming, sim and automotive. GT Planet is not a lone voice in this at all.


maxpontiac
It may not be the topic at hand, but sales are a huge factor in GT5 conversations. I have stressed it many times here, but having a game sell over 9 million copies per edition is no easy feat. In fact, there are few games that do this.
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And those figures have shown a downward trend since GT3 for 'full' games, and a history of previously dominant sales figures do not guarantee that a product will continue to sell. History is littered with examples, from PES mentioned earlier to Walkman's and Blackberry's.

Previously strong sales figures are not a guarantee that you will continue to sell at the same rate, and as I said an assumption that it does can lead to a half-arsed approach and an inconsistent product which doesn't move the series on in a cohesive manner (which is exactly how I feel about GT5 and utterly disagree with TD on that point) and if used as a blueprint will do nothing but harm to the series. Does that mean GT6 will tank? Very unlikely, if anything a path like that would lead to death by ever reducing sales as another title picks up the baton on the same system. At present its not worth a developer going head to head with GT, but if sales do continue to slip and someone spots a chance they could well upset things, and it would be unbelievably arrogant of PD and Sony to think that could not happen.



maxpontiac
So when people come to a website and voice their displeasure over a game, I have to wonder what impact (if any will be felt) by a few gamers who move on to other things.
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To date between GT3 and GT5 a drop of around 4 million units, and 2.5 million from GT4.

Not all of course accounted for by GT Planet, but that's the rough number to date that GT5 is falling short of GT3 and GT4 by, those are what ever way you look at it lost sales.

If you look at by generation we get (covers all GT titles, full games, prologues and concepts only GT PSP is absent):

PS1 - 20.22 million
PS2 - 29.45 million
PS3 - 14.54 million

All figures from PD

Now while this generation is not over (but it is damn close) the GT series has to date sold half as many on the PS3 as it did on the PS2, which is a move in the wrong direction by anyone's books (and why I still suspect we may yet see GT6 on the PS3).
 
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Scaff
I will not be buying GT6 at launch until I have seen reviews and got feedback from members here, it will be the first GT title that will noyt be bought at launch by me. The only thing that would change that would be a demo that blows me socks off and clearly shows they have moved the series forward in a significant way.
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This is how I am approaching GT6. The name, "Gran Turismo", used to sell itself easily to me. But after GT5, no. It still boggles my mind how incomplete it was at release (and how it's still very poor and lacking many features).

PD have shown flashes of brilliance and moments of utter failure. Let's see which wins out in the next title.
 
CorvetteConquer
This is how I am approaching GT6. The name, "Gran Turismo", used to sell itself easily to me. But after GT5, no. It still boggles my mind how incomplete it was at release (and how it's still very poor and lacking many features).

PD have shown flashes of brilliance and moments of utter failure. Let's see which wins out in the next title.
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Exactly this is happening to me as well...but not only with the GT series these days...old known franchises are going "down the hill" or trying to change things and doing it wrong in some cases.
That then translate in bad sales and the even possibly death of the serie. (as an example Medal of Honor, 2 bad games and is almost done)

I am not saying that this can be the same case for the Gran Turismo series because the fan base is huge, but after GT5´s "inability to please us all at 100%" it can and it will have a huge impact for the future of the game.

Is like people lost some of the trust in the name of it..."the prestige", in other words.

Let´s see if PD knows how to counteract and react to this...latest interview with Jordan was underwhelming non the less.
 
Once we take off our nostalgia-goggles, we see things much more clearly.

And this comes from someone who literally fell in love in 1998 with a PS1 and a copy Gran Turismo. But GT5 stripped that away. Well, that and simply growing older.

If Gran Turismo did eventually fade into darkness, I'd handle it just fine, as there will always be a new series that can 'replace' it. Inside, however, I am still rooting for Gran Turismo to be great again, but I am no longer blinded by the Gran Turismo name.

I'm sure many users here have similar sentiments.
 

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