Don't talk to the cops...
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I'll be honest, the first two vids were way too long I didn't watch them. The third one seems like bull ****, I hope that guy did take him to court. I don't have a problem with cops, I'm not the kind of person who normal says I hate cops. But, that cop was out of line just a little bit.
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That driver was an idiot. He deserved to get tasered. Signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt; only acknowledging you agree to appear on the court date as specified on the ticket. Don't sign, and the cop will place you in custody. Don't obey their command when being taken into custody, get tased. Simple as that.
"Don't tase me, bro!" lol
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I watched all three videos ( 
) all the way through. The professor and the cop make a very good point: do not talk to the police without a lawyer present on your behalf. You are not smarter than them and if you talk, they will find out a way to get the information they want.
It's the same with taking a sobriety test. If you take it, it's not an admission of guilt, but if you refuse, they take you to jail.
The guy in the third video didn't get tasered because the cop was brutal, he got tasered because he didn't follow the cop's instructions. Cooperating with the cop's orders isn't an admission of guilt; the cop told him what to do because he didn't want there to be a possibility for the situation to get out of his control. I'd have to side with the officer.
) all the way through. The professor and the cop make a very good point: do not talk to the police without a lawyer present on your behalf. You are not smarter than them and if you talk, they will find out a way to get the information they want. It's the same with taking a sobriety test. If you take it, it's not an admission of guilt, but if you refuse, they take you to jail.
The guy in the third video didn't get tasered because the cop was brutal, he got tasered because he didn't follow the cop's instructions. Cooperating with the cop's orders isn't an admission of guilt; the cop told him what to do because he didn't want there to be a possibility for the situation to get out of his control. I'd have to side with the officer.
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Did y'all not see the part where he did turn his back to the cop, was walking forward back past the cop, yet the cop still shot the taser at him? A little excessive. He was turning around, and the cop didn't say don't talk. The guy didn't seem to be doing anything threatening.
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You have options:
- Do a breathalyzer test right then and there
- Pass the breathalyzer test and go on your merry way
- Fail the test and go to the ER to make sure your are alright to go to detox
- Don't do a breathalyzer test, get taken to the ER to see my wife
- My wife asks you if she can draw your blood to check your BAC and you say yes (and it must be a yes - she doesn't accept "Whatever, 🤬" as an answer)
- Pass the breathalyzer test and go on your merry way
- Fail the test and they make sure your are alright to go to detox
- My wife asks you if she can draw your blood to check your BAC and you say no
- Go to jail
- Spit on my wife or call her any number of assorted names she has told me she has been called at work
- Don't even bother with any of the above - you're going to jail
- My wife asks you if she can draw your blood to check your BAC and you say yes (and it must be a yes - she doesn't accept "Whatever, 🤬" as an answer)
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"Turn around and put your hands behind your back"
He did not obey the officers command, and judging from the guys attitude while in the car the officer controlled the situation before a number of possible things could happen.
If you have a problem with a ticket you take it up with the court, not act and argue like a young teenager. I have no sympathy for that guy at all, I agree with the officer.
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i think he would have a case in court. this cop was overly aggressive.
if putting his hands behind his back was so important, then why did the cop say turn around twice after that quote? thats misleading to the driver. at that point, he thinks his back to the officer is complying to his orders after he said it 3 times
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I'm pretty sure that by "turn around" he didn't mean "walk away".
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Don't be stupid. He should have complied at the first command, not dick around asking why. He is also constantly in motion as his back is turned to the officer. Like I said, because of the man's initial attitude, and the fact that he is not stopping, the officer controlled the situation before a number of possible things could happen to cause a much larger situation.
Would you do this in the same situation? It's common sense to me that you should shut your mouth and do as the officer says, however wrong the ticket or officer may be. It's not just some guy you're dealing with, it's a guy with a taser, gun, and the law behind him.
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I plain do not like cops. They seem to go out of their way to stop me on my bike. They always seem to have a giant attitude with me too.
I've been stopped for riding through a green light and asked if I spoke English in a very rude manner. At the time I didn't care but over time I realized that he was way out of line and I should have done something about it. Bottom line I'm not going to be nice to them if they're not going to be nice back. I'm a kid I don't deserve to be treated like **** because of it.
I've been stopped for riding through a green light and asked if I spoke English in a very rude manner. At the time I didn't care but over time I realized that he was way out of line and I should have done something about it. Bottom line I'm not going to be nice to them if they're not going to be nice back. I'm a kid I don't deserve to be treated like **** because of it.
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In addition to Diablo's post:
With the guy constantly moving around and the the woman getting out and screaming at the him, the officer has his attention in two different places. The problem is that is you never know if someone is high, drunk, has a knife, a gun, etc. The more distractions you can get rid of and focus on the real issue, the better.
With the guy constantly moving around and the the woman getting out and screaming at the him, the officer has his attention in two different places. The problem is that is you never know if someone is high, drunk, has a knife, a gun, etc. The more distractions you can get rid of and focus on the real issue, the better.
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One cop is not every cop.
I've been stopped for J-walking at 3:00am because the cop thought I looked like I had a record. Most of us will have bad experiences with cops, but that's ever the more reason to be as polite as possible when a situation appears. It can be the difference between a warning or an expensive and troublesome ticket.
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you're supposed to know why you're getting arrested at the scene, not find out when you're in the police station
did the officer ask the driver to stay in one place before he tasers him? no.
pointing a taser on the driver first thing as he steps out of the car over a ticket is a little excessive too.
if a officer is genuinely wrong in a situation with me, wrong enough to have a decent case against in court, ill be sure to call him out on it.
basically, what im saying here is that the officers lack of communication with the driver made the situation worse than it already was
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I agree
The officer shouldn't have to tell you everything to do. When he asks you to step out of the car you don't keep on walking past him and try to start another argument with the second officer. You also don't keep on walking and questioning the officer when he's pointing a taser and giving you an instruction.
But you wouldn't do what this guy did. If you would, then I'd have to call you an idiot without any common sense.
I do agree, there should have been better communication, but it was the guys fault for not complying and generally having no common sense.
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Frist of all, why did the cop slow down, pull over, wait til they passed, and then pulled them over? He wasn't doing anything wrong and what cause did he have to pull him over?
Bottom line I don't like the idea of being paranoid that I could get in trouble and I've done nothing illegal.
Bottom line I don't like the idea of being paranoid that I could get in trouble and I've done nothing illegal.
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The two post below is why I'm not totally against cops. I have to try and put it in the perspective of what they encounter. I'd be paranoid as hell as a cop to find out what I'm dealing with and get a surprise I wasn't expecting. The problem I have is if they blow it out of proportion and use excessive force when not needed. I've seen a bunch of vids of cops doing like what I posted in the third video. There's just no explanation for it...
I sure as hell wouldn't want to receive excessive force like that if I was being pulled over for say speeding and the guy went postal on me when all I did was speed. I mean yeah, if I resisted I'd obviously deserved anything the cop did to protect himself and secure me from harming him. I saw nothing of the sort on the above video.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to receive excessive force like that if I was being pulled over for say speeding and the guy went postal on me when all I did was speed. I mean yeah, if I resisted I'd obviously deserved anything the cop did to protect himself and secure me from harming him. I saw nothing of the sort on the above video.
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Didn't watch 1 or 2 but 3 just pissed me off.
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While I have been pulled over to be "harrassed" (DWB),
I did not recieve a citation. Why?
1. I pulled off the busy street I was "red-lighted" on, onto a quiet, but highy visible side street to assure the officer was not struck by a passing car, but still in view of any other passing officer.
2. I rolled down all my windows so the officer could easily see into my car.
3. I was polite.
Number 3 is the most important of all of those. If you are pulled over, don't give the officer any reason to be pissed off. Also, since he/she is likely recording the event, don't give him any footage that can be used to turn the judge/jury against you.
Interestingly, the officer in the third vid: jeopardized his case toward the end of the "event", anybody else notice that?
Completely stomped on the woman's 4th amendment rights (starting at about 8:30 in the vid)
As for the first two vids: I will remember to suppress my urge to please, and have my lawyer contacted before I say anything to the cops.
It's as simple as saying, "I'm a little shaken up right now, I'll be glad to talk to you later, with my lawyer present."
I did not recieve a citation. Why?
1. I pulled off the busy street I was "red-lighted" on, onto a quiet, but highy visible side street to assure the officer was not struck by a passing car, but still in view of any other passing officer.
2. I rolled down all my windows so the officer could easily see into my car.
3. I was polite.
Number 3 is the most important of all of those. If you are pulled over, don't give the officer any reason to be pissed off. Also, since he/she is likely recording the event, don't give him any footage that can be used to turn the judge/jury against you.
Interestingly, the officer in the third vid: jeopardized his case toward the end of the "event", anybody else notice that?
Completely stomped on the woman's 4th amendment rights (starting at about 8:30 in the vid)
As for the first two vids: I will remember to suppress my urge to please, and have my lawyer contacted before I say anything to the cops.
It's as simple as saying, "I'm a little shaken up right now, I'll be glad to talk to you later, with my lawyer present."
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the driver wasn't a little angle in this case either, both sides are in the wrong here after i take another look on it. which is more wrong, i wont say but still, i think the driver could take him to court if he's pissed enough
what i would of done? just signed the ticket and be on my way. i like to avoid conflicts when it isnt necessary
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Yeah but... what if this is a cop that's looking for a fight and even worse doesn't have the incident recording from his car. It's pretty much my word against his. That's not cool.
I guess I didn't consciously think about it, but cops are people too. Just because they have a badge and a uniform doesn't mean they won't be a ass. The cop in the second video said it too... they ARE and CAN get you for something EVENTUALLY so they are not here to be public servants to protect you...
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ill go out on a limb here and say breach of privacy is also illegal, right?
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A little off-topic, but what rights would a cop have to look in a car when pulling someone over for speeding? I was riding up to the college with my friend a few days ago (he was driving) and were pulled over doing 54 in a 35mph zone (through a park area by Rend Lake, perfectly safe to be doing that speed, really). He had a cooler of beer behind his seat. Luckily he only got a written warning since he hasn't had any other violations besides seatbelt, and we carried on our way. If the officer had spotted the cooler (this being behind the seat of an extended cab Ranger) would he have had the right to check what it was and write up the corresponding ticket (illegal transportation by a minor)?
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Under Virginia state law, no. The officer has to have probable cause to search the car (for example, seeing an open beer bottle in the car) or the driver has to give permission. The driver can refuse to consent to a search, and there's nothing the cop can do about it. Just because there was a cooler behind the seat does not give the officer probable cause. I'd assume the law is the same in whichever state you live in.
