WIN RACES: Tires in rain!!

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Hi,

I witnessed this in rally before and also with the Polyphony formula 1 car, when it rains DO NOT change the tires to rain tires, but leave em for Race: soft. You will own the competition with race soft tires in rain. I know it sounds really strange but you do.
I do the Suzuka race, where it rained, I lapped all CPU racers twice... :ill:

Its just my 2 cents on tire choices!
 
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Yeah I do this online too(When everyone dives in the pits for rain tires hehe) you just have to brake/accelerate very carefully especially once the track gets really soaked but the regular racing tires still give alot more grip then the rain tires even when track is soaked.
 
RzB
Yeah I do this online too(When everyone dives in the pits for rain tires hehe) you just have to brake/accelerate very carefully especially once the track gets really soaked but the regular racing tires still give alot more grip then the rain tires even when track is soaked.
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needs to be patched.
 
I thought I was just crazy. I had racing: hard tires on in the Monza FGT race when it started to rain, but I still had huge grip.

Then I switched to rain tires for the full-rain Suzuka race and it was slippery than a greased weasel.

I sure hope they patch that.. I also noticed that the rain tires when driven in the dry don't heat up and wear out fast like they should.
 
Unbelievable ! I had not read this thread but have just experienced this.

I noticed that I had not golded the Suzuka FGT race. At the grid it is dark but not raining so I kept the racing softs on. Halfway around the lap it starts raining. The AI slows whereas I just knock the TCS up to 5 on the fly and take the lead. The grip seems fine so I carry on only to see the AI pit for wet tyres. Half the track was bone dry and the other half only had slight rain. Result - I won by over two laps and I as cruising.

This is appalling. Sorry to raise this old chestnut again, but back in 2001 the PS2 game - 24 Le Mans had changeable and unpredictable weather during racing. When it rained you lost grip, if it rained heavily you had to tip-toe back to the pits if you were on slicks.

Come on PD, this is making GT5 a laughing stock.
 
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StevenDunn99
Come on PD, this is making GT5 a laughing stock.
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Overdramatization much?

Even in reality non-rain tires don't make you slide on ice in the wet. It's just harder to drive with them, especially when the course isn't a swimming pool. In formula 1, when it starts raining and there's a chance for it to stop soon, it's quite likely that many drivers will keep the slicks on.

From when it starts raining it takes quite a while for the course to become really wet, which is entirely realistic.
 
StevenDunn99
This is appalling. Sorry to raise this old chestnut again, but back in 1991 the PS2 game - 24 Le Mans had changeable and unpredictable weather during racing. When it rained you lost grip, if it rained heavily you had to tip-toe back to the pits if you were on slicks.
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Man I LOVED that game! was my 2nd Fave Racer on the PS2! But your right that game did weather/time and tires right.
 
Sounds like the game needs to be more like F1 2010. I'm having a blast with GT5, but this rain bug is annoying. I know that in F1 2010, you have to tiptoe as well back to the pits (as someone said) for rain tires, or you're screwed (not screwed, it's just very hard to pull off at my skill level).

I do hope they patch this and make it a mess. Racing soft shouldn't provide better grip in the soaking wet than rain tires... F1 2010 taught me that right quickly (and painfully; well, virtually painfully).
 
Abriael
Overdramatization much?

Even in reality non-rain tires don't make you slide on ice in the wet. It's just harder to drive with them, especially when the course isn't a swimming pool. In formula 1, when it starts raining and there's a chance for it to stop soon, it's quite likely that many drivers will keep the slicks on.

From when it starts raining it takes quite a while for the course to become really wet, which is entirely realistic.
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Tell you what, I'll put rains on as soon as the track is wet at all. You keep your slicks on,and we"ll compare
lap times.
I the B-Spec Championships, if the race before is dry, and it's raining before the start the next race,
I switch to rains, the rest are on slicks, I'll just about lap them by the time they come in for rains.
I watch in rear view, once the spray stops, I switch to slicks. Sometimes I have to fight with the driver, as the AI wants him to pit for intermediates.
Same thing if thy are on rains, and the next race is dry. I switch to slicks, thy are on rains, easy win.
 
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BRP17
Tell you what, I'll put rains on as soon as the track is wet at all. You keep your slicks on,and we"ll compare
lap times.
I the B-Spec Championships, if the race before is dry, and it's raining before the start the next race,
I switch to rains, the rest are on slicks, I'll just about lap them by the time they come in for rains.
I watch in rear view, once the spray stops, I switch to slicks. Sometimes I have to fight with the driver, as the AI wants him to pit for intermediates.
Same thing if thy are on rains, and the next race is dry. I switch to slicks, thy are on rains, easy win.
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This:tup:

Definately the way you need to see and play it.
 
I don't think tire wear varies between tire types either. Racing Softs last just as long as Racing Hards....

Terrible and it nullifies any tire strategy.
 
Abriael
Overdramatization much?
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I take you have not used Polyphony Motorsports latest Soft Rubber Racing technology ? Sun or Rain, drizzle or monsoon, rough or smooth surfaces... the tyre that handles everything in whatever conditions.

I re-ran the Suzuka FGT race (well a few laps anyways) in near monsoon conditions and the soft race was all I needed.

As already stated it removes an important piece of gameplay and race strategy in the longer events.. no need now for a tyre strategy (well at least in Aspec). I will state that I have no idea what the situation is like for Bspec Bob and his mates.
 
Well Inters have better grip than Full Wets in heavy rain so this shouldn't surprise me. This coupled with the tyre life being the same no matter the compound, makes chosing any tyre other than Racing Softs pointless, this needs fixing.:(
 
Yeah I was doing the Le Mans and when it started raining I thought I'd keep my racing(hard) until I needed fuel. Was doing pretty much the same lap times as before, and when I pitted I put intermediates on, was harder to drive, so I pitted again and put racing tyres back on, and it was much easier to drive!
 
Either this changed after the last patch or it depends on the track/car combo. I remember an online race with Prototype cars, nearly everybody on racing hard/medium/soft where it was raining and nobody could even keep their cars on the road. Just a touch of the throttle sent the cars flying (Nuburgring 24hr version - night - weather).
 
Supercheyenne
I don't think tire wear varies between tire types either. Racing Softs last just as long as Racing Hards....

Terrible and it nullifies any tire strategy.
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Except with rains or intermediates.
In real life, as long as the track is damp, you can run rains
and not burn them up.
In the game, as soon as the AI decides it's time for slicks, the rains
burn up quickly.
The environment will show it's raining, but the track is dry.
Lot's of glitches to be worked out.
 
I've just tested this out in Arcade mode.

Polyphony Formula GT at Suzuka with weather change time trial. Default settings. Rain Tires are harder to use to produce a quick lap time. Putting Racing Softs on makes it easier provided you are easy on the throttle coming out of corners and through fast corners.

I was disappointed with this result, so I wondered if it was just an anomaly with the Formula GT. I had been doing hot laps earlier with a Zonda C12 '00 at Monza, so I knew the track and speeds I was going in the dry, I thought I'd give it a go in the wet.

Default settings again, I took to the track with Racing Wets. Slower lap time than in the dry, reasonably difficult to control. Put Racing Softs on, and it was quicker down the first straight and out of the first hairpin. Appeared more difficult to control through the long fast right hander but other than that a better/easier performer.

I went back to Time Trail menu and selected Monza Change weather again and the Zonda again. This time when the 'Driving Options' dialog box comes up, I went right to the bottom and changed the option of 'Grip Reduction on Wet Track/Track Edge' from Low (the default setting) to Real.

Taking the Racing Wets out again, it was about the same difficulty as before. Maybe a little harder to control but not far from what I was experiencing with the Wets in the previous test. So I bang on the Racing Slicks......I could barely make it around the Parabolica to begin my first lap. In the dry, you drop down to about 135kmph to apex the corner. With the Racing Wets on it was about 110kmph, maybe slower. With the Racing Softs on in the wet, I was having trouble at 70kmph! I gave up before I crossed the line for the first lap....

So I guess in GT Life, the default settings for the races is set to Low Grip levels, as opposed to Real, hence why you can get away with running Racing Softs in the Rain in GT Life.
 
Lion-Face
So I guess in GT Life, the default settings for the races is set to Low Grip levels, as opposed to Real, hence why you can get away with running Racing Softs in the Rain in GT Life.
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Nice work there Lion-Face. Disappointing though that GT Life uses default settings in extreme races.
 
Lion-Face
I've just tested this out in Arcade mode.

Polyphony Formula GT at Suzuka with weather change time trial. Default settings. Rain Tires are harder to use to produce a quick lap time. Putting Racing Softs on makes it easier provided you are easy on the throttle coming out of corners and through fast corners.

I was disappointed with this result, so I wondered if it was just an anomaly with the Formula GT. I had been doing hot laps earlier with a Zonda C12 '00 at Monza, so I knew the track and speeds I was going in the dry, I thought I'd give it a go in the wet.

Default settings again, I took to the track with Racing Wets. Slower lap time than in the dry, reasonably difficult to control. Put Racing Softs on, and it was quicker down the first straight and out of the first hairpin. Appeared more difficult to control through the long fast right hander but other than that a better/easier performer.

I went back to Time Trail menu and selected Monza Change weather again and the Zonda again. This time when the 'Driving Options' dialog box comes up, I went right to the bottom and changed the option of 'Grip Reduction on Wet Track/Track Edge' from Low (the default setting) to Real.

Taking the Racing Wets out again, it was about the same difficulty as before. Maybe a little harder to control but not far from what I was experiencing with the Wets in the previous test. So I bang on the Racing Slicks......I could barely make it around the Parabolica to begin my first lap. In the dry, you drop down to about 135kmph to apex the corner. With the Racing Wets on it was about 110kmph, maybe slower. With the Racing Softs on in the wet, I was having trouble at 70kmph! I gave up before I crossed the line for the first lap....

So I guess in GT Life, the default settings for the races is set to Low Grip levels, as opposed to Real, hence why you can get away with running Racing Softs in the Rain in GT Life.
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Confirmed. I did a race in GT-Mode around Monza with an SLS with Medium Racing tyres. I then tried the same track in Practice Mode with exactly the same car and tyres. The only difference was that I selected Real for grip loss. It is a noticeably different grip level when exiting the final corner. This needs patching ASAP.
 
Lion-Face
So I guess in GT Life, the default settings for the races is set to Low Grip levels, as opposed to Real, hence why you can get away with running Racing Softs in the Rain in GT Life.
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This has to be the issue. I tried running a McLaren around Sarthe in the rain on slicks and could'nt turn without spinning. I could barely drive in a straight line without swapping ends.
 
Wish I had read this thread an hour ago. I just finished the FGT championship, babied my FGT around suzuka with the wet tyres. I lapped the last two guys and was working my way though the pack by the end but I was concentrating so hard for 39 minutes that I almost crapped myself (not really but you get the idea).
 
I decided not to change my tyres on the FGT monza, my time was pretty damn good as a matter of fact. i had to win and crashed on the first lap so couldn't dignify pitting for the wets. it was a scary race!
 
I never tried this with the soft racing tires in the rain but I did notice that I got way more grip with the intermediate tires than the rain tires when it was raining. I thought that was just weird. Now y'all are talking about the soft racing tires having more grip too. So there is no point to use rain tires at all?
 
Anyone tested whether the "Bobs" will handle this?

I only ask I am just about to start the SuperGT B-spec 30 laps of Suzuka and its just pouring in the pre-race screen.

I chose 2 of my lower level drivers (both 16) and while I know they can clobber the competition in the car they are in(okay I'm using the 787B) I don't want to send them out on Racing Hards if they are just gonna do donuts with them :drool:
 
INSTG8R
Anyone tested whether the "Bobs" will handle this?

I only ask I am just about to start the SuperGT B-spec 30 laps of Suzuka and its just pouring in the pre-race screen.

I chose 2 of my lower level drivers (both 16) and while I know they can clobber the competition in the car they are in(okay I'm using the 787B) I don't want to send them out on Racing Hards if they are just gonna do donuts with them :drool:
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If you don't select rain tyres they will want to pit every lap until you put wets on, so you are best off just chosing rain tyres.
 

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