Track guide Twin Ring Motegi with Hattori-san and Tsuchiya-san

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For those who have never driven in Twin Ring Motegi in GT4, and now with GT5 which going to have the track, this will be a good video as reference and guide on how to tackle the most demanding parts of the track. Hattori-san and Tsuchiya-san will give detailed strategy to tackle the corners with inboard videos. You can also enjoy the battle between R35 GTR and the world's exotics. The guide starts from 3 minutes in.Cheers!

 
I just want to be the first to say it has not yet been confirmed that gt5 will get motegi twin ring. 👍
 
hairystig
I just want to be the first to say it has not yet been confirmed that gt5 will get motegi twin ring. 👍
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But its confirmed that GTA will, thus this video has relevance because we'll be playing it with GT5 physics and game play at least. But with that being said perhaps GTA forums would be better simply because its confirmed for it. Regardless, Im sure we'll see it on GT and this video would be helpful.
 
I'm glad this video would be able to help later on GT Academy and GT5, there are lots of things to be learned, racing line, braking and acceleration among other things. Be sure to see the inboard time attack in the Lotus, Lamborghini and Porsche.
 
XEPEGTP
Theres a great Motegi battle where Gan-San SMOKES a field of Ferraris and Lambos in an NSX-R, amazing driving.
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He only gives his 100% when driving underestimated cars he really likes, for example the NSX and the S2000.

Problem with this guide is it won't be useful for GT5, as the track most probably isn't laser scanned and 99.9% of players use ABS (with its hidden stability assist) and other driving aids, take shortcuts, drive through the grass to accelerate faster and so on.
The nordschleife is a good example. No one uses real life driving lines.
 
avens
He only gives his 100% when driving underestimated cars he really likes, for example the NSX and the S2000.

Problem with this guide is it won't be useful for GT5, as the track most probably isn't laser scanned and 99.9% of players use ABS (with its hidden stability assist) and other driving aids, take shortcuts, drive through the grass to accelerate faster and so on.
The nordschleife is a good example. No one uses real life driving lines.
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Then I hope it will still be useful to others who drive without ABS - like me, and can make use of the information given by Hattori-san and Tsuchiya-san regarding braking strategy, corner entry,etc. No matter how little of use, I still hope everyone who watch this video could reap benefits in terms of track knowledge and driving techniques.
 
Thank you for the link: Tsuchiya-sensei is just so funny at times.

Wish GT5 had Mecha-Rumble strips that jar your helmet all over the place. Too many people cut corners like they are cutting hair and as for using ABS... you may as well get a chauffeur to play the game for you.
 
Great video, rubbish thread title. Until Motegi is officially confirmed all you do is getting the hopes up.
 
JohnyPiston
Errrm ...I fail to see what ABS has to do with following the racing line? Someone care to explain?
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I think when driving in GT5 with ABS brake aids enabled, the driver can brake deeper and turn at the same time into a corner very effectively, which is a bit unrealistic, as in real life even cars with ABS could not do both effectively, check the video i posted, the Lotus Exige, Porsche 911 Turbo and Lamborghini Murcielago time attack. They brake mostly during the straight and eased on the brake when about to enter the corner.

That's why driving without "ABS" brake aids in GT5, most drivers tend to have different racing line during braking into a corner and the car also becomes less stable during braking hard, some felt that ABS enabled on GT5 also give some sort of "stability" to the car. Ever since I played GT5, I've never used any assist, including GTA. I tried the ABS assist couple of times, the car becomes "dull" when braking, it felt too easy to throw a car into a corner while braking hard. Even my real life car with ABS dont act like that, thus some people said that ABS in GT5 should be simply called brake assist that prevent any lock up and provides stability.
 
I agree that the ABS off brigade are becoming worse but... they're right that it makes the game a lot easier. But do they really expect us to believe they do it in GT Academy when you can't change the brake balance? Hmm, only if they like to enter a corner rear first.
 
mistersafeway
I agree that the ABS off brigade are becoming worse but... they're right that it makes the game a lot easier. But do they really expect us to believe they do it in GT Academy when you can't change the brake balance? Hmm, only if they like to enter a corner rear first.
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It does make things hairier in GTA without the abs on since you can't adjust bias, but that is how I run GTA. I've been in the top 900 and 1100 several times with no more than 10 minutes put in per event. Now only if my clutch wasn't turned off so I could do heel toe downshifting and then things would be real fun.
 
mistersafeway
I agree that the ABS off brigade are becoming worse but... they're right that it makes the game a lot easier. But do they really expect us to believe they do it in GT Academy when you can't change the brake balance? Hmm, only if they like to enter a corner rear first.
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All my GTA are done without ABS, and most of them are within a half second to the 1st rank ( about a week ago ), just saying that its possible to do the GTA competitively without ABS, all you need is to modulate the brake at around 30% to 40% for low speed braking and 50% - 80% for high speed braking- above 180kmh. That, and never brake while turning into a corner :)
The car also behave differently without ABS, definitely more alive during and right after braking.
 
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mikeonthebike
It does make things hairier in GTA without the abs on since you can't adjust bias, but that is how I run GTA. I've been in the top 900 and 1100 several times with no more than 10 minutes put in per event. Now only if my clutch wasn't turned off so I could do heel toe downshifting and then things would be real fun.
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And slower.
 
R1600Turbo
And slower.
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That happened in the past as well when Formula 1 disallow traction control and ABS, everybody ran slower times. I wonder what will happen if round 8 of GTA do no allow any assist at all including ABS, it seems a good move if they want to find the most consistently quick and smooth driver, but I doubt that will really happen as PD wanted the GTA accessible to the casual player.
 
I'm sure they will allow no ABS in 8-5, but in the National Finals you will be running with ABS, and you will not be allowed to turn it off.

Best to practice for that.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
I think when driving in GT5 with ABS brake aids enabled, the driver can brake deeper and turn at the same time into a corner very effectively, which is a bit unrealistic, as in real life even cars with ABS could not do both effectively, check the video i posted, the Lotus Exige, Porsche 911 Turbo and Lamborghini Murcielago time attack. They brake mostly during the straight and eased on the brake when about to enter the corner.

That's why driving without "ABS" brake aids in GT5, most drivers tend to have different racing line during braking into a corner and the car also becomes less stable during braking hard, some felt that ABS enabled on GT5 also give some sort of "stability" to the car. Ever since I played GT5, I've never used any assist, including GTA. I tried the ABS assist couple of times, the car becomes "dull" when braking, it felt too easy to throw a car into a corner while braking hard. Even my real life car with ABS dont act like that, thus some people said that ABS in GT5 should be simply called brake assist that prevent any lock up and provides stability.
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Thanks ...i tried it and I see what you mean.
 
mikeonthebike
It does make things hairier in GTA without the abs on since you can't adjust bias, but that is how I run GTA. I've been in the top 900 and 1100 several times with no more than 10 minutes put in per event. Now only if my clutch wasn't turned off so I could do heel toe downshifting and then things would be real fun.
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That's pretty cool, but it doesn't change the fact that a real racing driver WOULD NEVER run without ABS if they weren't allowed to change brake balance. Seems like a step too far in this instance. Still, that's very impressive.
 
I don't like these videos in which one of the best drivers of the planet "The Drift King" Tsuchiya several times hits the rev limiter in Gallardo on purpose to allow GT-R to pass...
 
mistersafeway
That's pretty cool, but it doesn't change the fact that a real racing driver WOULD NEVER run without ABS if they weren't allowed to change brake balance. Seems like a step too far in this instance. Still, that's very impressive.
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ABS in GT5 isn't ABS; I'd say it's closer to SRF. Also "real racing drivers" don't use it since most categories don't allow it.


RedBaron
I don't like these videos in which one of the best drivers of the planet "The Drift King" Tsuchiya several times hits the rev limiter in Gallardo on purpose to allow GT-R to pass...
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it's a show. You can't expect to get consumer advice from BM or top gear.
If that were the case I wouldn't like the S2000 since BM implies it's prone to exploding with heal and toe, the ae86 would be the greatest car in the world and F1 would be filled with japanese drivers.
 
avens
ABS in GT5 isn't ABS; I'd say it's closer to SRF. Also "real racing drivers" don't use it since most categories don't allow it.
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Can't disagree there :)




avens
it's a show. You can't expect to get consumer advice from BM or top gear.
If that were the case I wouldn't like the S2000 since BM implies it's prone to exploding with heal and toe, the ae86 would be the greatest car in the world and F1 would be filled with japanese drivers.
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Sounds perfect to me LOL:sly:
 
avens
ABS in GT5 isn't ABS; I'd say it's closer to SRF. Also "real racing drivers" don't use it since most categories don't allow it.
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I agree on the subject of ABS in GT5. I also acknowledge that racing drivers AREN'T allowed to use it as it's almost always banned, as you correctly pointed out. You ignore my point though, that they ARE allowed to change brake balance.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
I think when driving in GT5 with ABS brake aids enabled, the driver can brake deeper and turn at the same time into a corner very effectively, which is a bit unrealistic, as in real life even cars with ABS could not do both effectively, check the video i posted, the Lotus Exige, Porsche 911 Turbo and Lamborghini Murcielago time attack. They brake mostly during the straight and eased on the brake when about to enter the corner.

some people said that ABS in GT5 should be simply called brake assist that prevent any lock up and provides stability.
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Errrr, that's what ABS is for... You're right, braking and turning at the same time is not usually optimal, but it's a lot more "effective" when the tires aren't locked up = ABS. Even with ABS on in GT5, you (or at least I) can tell a huge difference between straight-line braking and braking while cornering, it's definitely not doing all the work for you. ABS was developed and designed to prevent lock-up, and improve braking stability. Not sure what you think it's for?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system

R1600Turbo
I'm sure they will allow no ABS in 8-5, but in the National Finals you will be running with ABS, and you will not be allowed to turn it off.

Best to practice for that.
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Whoa... I understood from the other thread that you would not be allowed to change the default settings of the wheel, I did not realize you wouldn't be able to change the driving options either. Just MT/AT? Seems they have the competition very controlled, I like it!

R1600Turbo
And slower.
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On the subject of ABS, and TC for that matter, if the class or series you are choosing to participate in allows such an advantage, but you don't believe it should be legal, and are mad about getting beat by guys who do use it because you "don't believe in it", you need to find a new class or series. Simple as that. If you are just proud you can get around the track without using it, good for you. But you can't talk lesser of someone who follows the rules, uses legal advantages that you don't agree with, and beats you.

It's illegal in most classes and series because IT IS AN ADVANTAGE, bottom line. If it didn't help you, they wouldn't care, like adding weight to a car. There's always a lower weight limit, but very rarely an upper. I know you "I dont EVER use ABS" guys want to believe that you are the alpha-driver because of it, but it's just not true.

Also, one thing I've noticed, I don't believe the settings your read on the leader boards are always correct... I've run a test with certain settings, went and looked at my time on the board, and the settings on the board do not match what I was actually using. You can't worry too much about what makes everybody else fast, you need to worry about what makes YOU fast.
 
portmod7
Errrr, that's what ABS is for... Not sure what you think it's for?
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Seems they have the competition very controlled, I like it!
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On the subject of ABS, and TC for that matter, if the class or series you are choosing to participate in allows such an advantage, but you don't believe it should be legal, and are mad about getting beat by guys who do use it because you "don't believe in it", you need to find a new class or series. Simple as that. If you are just proud you can get around the track without using it, good for you. But you can't talk lesser of someone who follows the rules, uses legal advantages that you don't agree with, and beats you.
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I know you "I dont EVER use ABS" guys want to believe that you are the alpha-driver because of it, but it's just not true.
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You can't worry too much about what makes everybody else fast, you need to worry about what makes YOU fast.
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👍 I completely agree.

These "Hard-Core/NoABS/ALLAidsOFF/AsRealAsItGets" Players would even ban Pad/Stick Users (as me) from the game if they could.

I thank PD that Pad drivers are (almost) competitive compared to wheel and pedal players even if the latter still have a (slight) advantage when it comes to "Alien" laptimes.

ABS Off is simply undrivable with a pad.
It's a GAME !
 
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If you don't know your way around Twin Ring Motegi, and you have Gran Turismo 4, then I suggest that you start playing it now. It has TRM on it.
 
profi
👍 I completely agree.

These "Hard-Core/NoABS/ALLAidsOFF/AsRealAsItGets" Players would even ban Pad/Stick Users (as me) from the game if they could.

I thank PD that Pad drivers are (almost) competitive compared to wheel and pedal players even if the latter still have a (slight) advantage when it comes to "Alien" laptimes.

ABS Off is simply undrivable with a pad.
It's a GAME !
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No offense, but I can play without any aids whatsoever with my stick controller just fine.

Driving with aids or not is a matter of preference, want to have an easier game play and less challenge to drive the car, use the aids.

 
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