Track guide Twin Ring Motegi with Hattori-san and Tsuchiya-san

[Spurgy 777]

Ridox, fair enough you use no aids, the point is you, and other people like you don't need to go around saying, "I don't use legal advantages so i must be better than you", which is basically what you're implying. You're actually a rubbish racing driver if you don't use legal advantages. It's a bit like someone in F1 saying "i don't use drs or kers therefore I'm better than you even though you beat me".

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Ridox, fair enough you use no aids, the point is you, and other people like you don't need to go around saying, "I don't use legal advantages so i must be better than you", which is basically what you're implying. You're actually a rubbish racing driver if you don't use legal advantages. It's a bit like someone in F1 saying "i don't use drs or kers therefore I'm better than you even though you beat me".

Don't get easily offended, I never said that I'm better than anyone did I ... I simply shown with my video that driving with stick and no aids is doable, now if anyone feel bad about this, that's a shame. I love to challenge myself, I played GT5 not to get concerned with any advantages or disadvantages of using any aids. Have I ever complained someone beat me in a race ? No.

I don't care if anyone disagree with me regarding my preference in game play, would you told me what you said previously if I used aids and go around telling others ? Please be fair, if anyone have troubles driving without aids, be it with wheels or stick, then get more practice, or if not, stick with the driving aids on.

 

[BanditKarter22]

Ridox, fair enough you use no aids, the point is you, and other people like you don't need to go around saying, "I don't use legal advantages so i must be better than you", which is basically what you're implying. You're actually a rubbish racing driver if you don't use legal advantages. It's a bit like someone in F1 saying "i don't use drs or kers therefore I'm better than you even though you beat me".

I will add to this. It is actually impossible to go as fast with ABS off than with ABS on 1 due to the fact that you got no feel whatsoever through the brake pedal as to whether your wheels are locking up. In a real car it is easy to judge this but unfortunately you don't get this feel in the game. At the end of the day a proper racing driver will use all the tricks in the book to go faster even if they are pushing the limits of the rules.

 

[Damon Hill]

👍 I completely agree.

These "Hard-Core/NoABS/ALLAidsOFF/AsRealAsItGets" Players would even ban Pad/Stick Users (as me) from the game if they could.

I thank PD that Pad drivers are (almost) competitive compared to wheel and pedal players even if the latter still have a (slight) advantage when it comes to "Alien" laptimes.

ABS Off is simply undrivable with a pad.
It's a GAME !

Totally agree !

I don't wanna spend 500 euro for a stupid steering wheel, i would like to but it's very a lot of money and with that i can buy 2 new tyres for my real car... : D !

Thanks for the video ^^

 

[MSTER232]

Totally agree !

I don't wanna spend 500 euro for a stupid steering wheel, i would like to but it's very a lot of money and with that i can buy 2 new tyres for my real car... : D !

Thanks for the video ^^

Although I like a realistic driving experience and I drive with no driving aids including ABS, I have nothing against people who use a DS3 controller. I know that not everyone has the money to buy one along with somewhere to mount it. Or maybe they do have the funds, but no where to put it. Everyone who says that DS3 users shouldn't even be in GT Academy are unreasonable 🤬 who have no life.

 

[Damon Hill]

Although I like a realistic driving experience and I drive with no driving aids including ABS, I have nothing against people who use a DS3 controller. I know that not everyone has the money to buy one along with somewhere to mount it. Or maybe they do have the funds, but no where to put it. Everyone who says that DS3 users shouldn't even be in GT Academy are unreasonable 🤬 who have no life.

Eheheh i'm just using ABS on 1 then everything else is OFF , i just find very very difficult for me driving without ABS with a DS3.

One day when i'll be rich without other priorities like beer,gf,car.. i will buy a steering wheel and become a 'nazi-all-aids-off-hero'

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

For anyone who have trouble with DS3 without aids due to the overly sensitive face buttons, another alternative might be viable, I am using DS2 stick taken from my old PS2 slim, with it I could modulates the brake and gas easily as seen from my video. But there's a catch, not all DS2 stick have this, I have 3 ... and only 1 have these awesome buttons -3 times required pressure to 100% inputs, while the other 2 are much alike my DS3 I did once replaced the internal plastic holder and the rubber pad of face buttons, took them from other broken DS stick...worth to give a shot if you have spare DS2 stick lying around gathering dust ...

 

[CodeRedR51]

Whoa... I understood from the other thread that you would not be allowed to change the default settings of the wheel, I did not realize you wouldn't be able to change the driving options either. Just MT/AT? Seems they have the competition very controlled, I like it!

ABS @ 1, everything else will be OFF.

Not allowed to mess with the wheel settings.

You are allowed to run whatever view you like. Since I run with hood/roof view, they were nice enough to let me (and others) zoom the track map in to compensate for the lack or a rear view mirror.

 

[portmod7]

you got no feel whatsoever through the brake pedal as to whether your wheels are locking up. In a real car it is easy to judge this but unfortunately you don't get this feel in the game.

Yup.

ABS @ 1, everything else will be OFF.

Not allowed to mess with the wheel settings.

You are allowed to run whatever view you like. Since I run with hood/roof view, they were nice enough to let me (and others) zoom the track map in to compensate for the lack or a rear view mirror.

Thanks again for the information. I know you said "everything else", but TC off as well? ABS at 1 AND TC at 1 takes a lot of the edge off of trying to drive based on the feedback provided through the controls. Should the waters part, and I make it to the top 32, I'll have to turn the TC off and make some laps before Florida.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Everything else off.

 

[portmod7]

Everything else off.

Much appreciated, thank you! 👍

 

[SS Chuck]

ABS was used in racing early on but it became too expensive for the less wealthy teams to keep up with the R&D necessary for each new car design they ran. It was banned to keep things equal between rich and poor.
When I started driving in 1975 there were no ABS cars. I didn't see my first ABS vehicle until 1991 when I bought an F250 with rear ABS. Even my mother drove a '69 Nova SS with no ABS. Driving without ABS in real life is no big deal. I know there some looking at this that are older than me and some that get paid to drive racing equipment that understand what I saying. It is amusing to see what a big deal simulated ABS is to a group of people that have probably never driven a non-ABS car in their lives. Or never driven at all.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I've had several cars without ABS, and one with ABS that I disabled....thank you.

Some race series/cars today are actually switching to racing ABS systems.

 

[JerseyDriverSS]

ABS was used in racing early on but it became too expensive for the less wealthy teams to keep up with the R&D necessary for each new car design they ran. It was banned to keep things equal between rich and poor.
When I started driving in 1975 there were no ABS cars. I didn't see my first ABS vehicle until 1991 when I bought an F250 with rear ABS. Even my mother drove a '69 Nova SS with no ABS. Driving without ABS in real life is no big deal. I know there some looking at this that are older than me and some that get paid to drive racing equipment that understand what I saying. It is amusing to see what a big deal simulated ABS is to a group of people that have probably never driven a non-ABS car in their lives. Or never driven at all.

And the point of that was? Every vehicle i own is non abs and the SS in my name stands for Super Sport and its not a cobalt or fwd abomination of the name. Hey my post is about as useless as yours.

 

[Jav]

I've had several cars without ABS, and one with ABS that I disabled....thank you.

Some race series/cars today are actually switching to racing ABS systems.

A well designed ABS system will give the driver an edge over the competition, most of the cars on the road today have sloppy ABS systems wich are so intrussive that can actually get you in a crash instead of preventing it!

 

[SS Chuck]

My point is that this game is nothing more than pushing a cursor around a predetermined path on a computer screen with some ability to adjust the input parameters. It's fun but it has nothing to do with driving. You should use whatever "traction control" devices the game allows to win the race, even if that means you beat somebody that choses not too.
And since we seem to be measuring: '68 Chevelle SS, vin 16658, GM 454HO crate motor.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

If it had "nothing to do with driving", then this competition wouldn't exist.

 

[JerseyDriverSS]

My point is that this game is nothing more than pushing a cursor around a predetermined path on a computer screen with some ability to adjust the input parameters. It's fun but it has nothing to do with driving. You should use whatever "traction control" devices the game allows to win the race, even if that means you beat somebody that choses not too.
And since we seem to be measuring: '68 Chevelle SS, vin 16658, GM 454HO crate motor.

Mines not that old. 85 Monte Carlo SS frankenstien small block 350.

 

[SS Chuck]

Right now this competition is geared towards finding a small group of people that have developed superior control over their cursors. That is not driving. Especially when some on the leaderboard are using ds3's. It doesn't become driving until those people are given control over a real vehicle with mass that has to be guided with the ever present risk of real death that accompanies it. Some of the group will not have that ability for various reasons.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Right now this competition is geared towards finding a small group of people that have developed superior control over their cursors. That is not driving. Especially when some on the leaderboard are using ds3's. It doesn't become driving until those people are given control over a real vehicle with mass that has to be guided with the ever present risk of real death that accompanies it. Some of the group will not have that ability for various reasons.

GT still gives helps you with driving line, braking points and to some degree car control.

 

[JerseyDriverSS]

GT still gives helps you with driving line, braking points and to some degree car control.

You beat me to it r1600. Its already been proving that the skills needed for the game transfers over pretty well to a real car. Every single winner so far is no slouch behing the wheels of there respective race cars. I'm guessing this years winner will be just as good. Theres alot of talent out there just waiting to be tapped into and its a shame they can only choose one.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Most of the winners though have some sort of in-car experience before the competition (Bryan is an autocross champion) but I still stick behind what I said.

 

[GTP_SniperWolph]

Strategy for us blind folks.

http://gran-turismo.wikia.com/wiki/Twin_Ring_Motegi_Road_Course

 

[midiman007]

Kind of like the video game in "The Last Starfighter", that was used to find the next Luke Skywalker

 

[Dhalism]

Right now this competition is geared towards finding a small group of people that have developed superior control over their cursors. That is not driving. Especially when some on the leaderboard are using ds3's. It doesn't become driving until those people are given control over a real vehicle with mass that has to be guided with the ever present risk of real death that accompanies it. Some of the group will not have that ability for various reasons.

so you're saying Nissan is going about it all wrong and should be looking for open wheeler drivers because GTA drivers have the perfect skillset for Formula1?
By that merit rally drivers should be looking down upon everyone else cause they have the most variables to take care of.
Setting down a set of rules and watching people do the best they can within those rules is the beauty of any sports event. And a person with talent(work ethics) of achieving a top 32 spot will be successful in any venture. Especially given that within the set parameters Gt5 is harder then real racing - more competition because its easily accessible and much more demand for perfection because there are less variables that you can be better then your opponent at.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

A lesson I learned from my old man that applies to everyday driving and on track, never assume every car you drive to have ABS, always threshold brake, never depend on ABS to intervene and helped to brake effectively. ABS on road cars were designed primarily for safety on less favorable conditions - wet road for example, where human could not do threshold brake optimally and stopping at minimum distance.

Threshold and trail braking are good habit to have both on the road and track, practice them everyday. When I drive my car, I always treat the car brake as if it does not have ABS, although it has one. Sometimes I disabled the ABS systems as I turn it into RWD by removing it's ATTESA fuse. I was surprised I could not really feel the difference whether the ABS was enabled or not in everyday road driving. When I push the car hard at times, I still can brake well even with the ABS disabled.

If this works in real life, why not apply it in GT5, even when ABS is used, a driver can still opt to threshold brake and not mashing the brake in every corner. Once it becomes a habit, soon even with no ABS aid, there should be no problem.

The same goes to traction control The real traction control is your right foot.

 

[Tyger]

For anyone who have trouble with DS3 without aids due to the overly sensitive face buttons, another alternative might be viable, I am using DS2 stick taken from my old PS2 slim, with it I could modulates the brake and gas easily as seen from my video. But there's a catch, not all DS2 stick have this, I have 3 ... and only 1 have these awesome buttons -3 times required pressure to 100% inputs, while the other 2 are much alike my DS3 I did once replaced the internal plastic holder and the rubber pad of face buttons, took them from other broken DS stick...worth to give a shot if you have spare DS2 stick lying around gathering dust ...

Sorry to backtrack, I was intrigued by this but I must admit I don't really understand what you are saying. You seem to be saying you have a DS2 pad and are using it for GT5, using the right stick for gas/brake, but it is somehow better than the DS3, and most other DS2 pads?

I thought all DS2 pads had the same level of analog sensitivity, and the DS3 pretty much has the same in the sticks (if not better). The only major difference I thought between DS2 and DS3 (apart from the motion sensor) is analog L2 & R2, possibly L1 and R1 also, and more degrees of sensitivity in the X, Square, Triangle and Circle buttons?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Sorry to backtrack, I was intrigued by this but I must admit I don't really understand what you are saying. You seem to be saying you have a DS2 pad and are using it for GT5, using the right stick for gas/brake, but it is somehow better than the DS3, and most other DS2 pads?

I thought all DS2 pads had the same level of analog sensitivity, and the DS3 pretty much has the same in the sticks (if not better). The only major difference I thought between DS2 and DS3 (apart from the motion sensor) is analog L2 & R2, possibly L1 and R1 also, and more degrees of sensitivity in the X, Square, Triangle and Circle buttons?

Sorry if my explanation was rather cryptic, I used the face buttons, circle for gas, triangle for brake, cross for e brake, square for reverse. L1 for shift down, R1 for shift up, steering with left analog, right analog is only for left / right view. Analog stick are the same on all PS2 or PS3 controller, the difference are in the face buttons and the D pad.

My DS2 pad uses USB converter, it also has been modded, I added a piece of tissue paper between the rear casing and the electronic board, then I also replaced the rubber pad for the face buttons and as well as D pad plastic holder inside. I took them from other broken DS2 internals.
I have 2 other DS2, they have different sensitivity than my DS3. What I am using now is perfect stick for my preference, it took at least 3 times the pressure of DS3 to full throttle and brake on the face buttons. If you saw my video somewhere here, I could apply any amount of percentage in brake and throttle quite easily without any trouble.

 

[Tyger]

Sorry if my explanation was rather cryptic, I used the face buttons, circle for gas, triangle for brake, cross for e brake, square for reverse. L1 for shift down, R1 for shift up, steering with left analog, right analog is only for left / right view. Analog stick are the same on all PS2 or PS3 controller, the difference are in the face buttons and the D pad.

My DS2 pad uses USB converter, it also has been modded, I added a piece of tissue paper between the rear casing and the electronic board, then I also replaced the rubber pad for the face buttons and as well as D pad plastic holder inside. I took them from other broken DS2 internals.
I have 2 other DS2, they have different sensitivity than my DS3. What I am using now is perfect stick for my preference, it took at least 3 times the pressure of DS3 to full throttle and brake on the face buttons. If you saw my video somewhere here, I could apply any amount of percentage in brake and throttle quite easily without any trouble.

Interesting, I have a bunch of old DS1 and DS2 controllers and may try something like this, though i'm not sure how long a piece of tissue would last to increase resistance

Also I would always be worried that i'm not getting 100% gas/pressing hard enough, but I guess the proof is in your laptimes

 

[LeftyWright69]

Oh well I just couldn't wait and D/L'd the TR Motegi track on I-Racing so I could get a heads up for the final. I hope the money was well spent but anything has to be better then trying to read someones how to. If anyone has any suggestions as to what car I should use on the track to practice w/ it would be appriciated. I haven't done anything w/ i-Racing in a while and I know that I'll be rusty but at leas the rust might get knocked off sooner by going this way.