Just being honest

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I have been posting here on and off since March 2008. Knowing this, I have seen just about every type of thread and poster that one could imagine. I often have been left with questions on why some people would seem to be so emotionally involved with a video game.

I personally made the decision not to get wrapped up in the debates due to the amount of time and energy that was required. I am not saying what some of you do is a waste, but it is not for me. This morning is different, however.

Anyways, I just read the News Section here at GTPlanet, and could do nothing but laugh. Why and what caused this? Take a look below.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-goes-interstellar/

How many times have I came to read this website only to find posts and threads that indicate GT5 is a failure, people won't be buying GT6, the game is dying, PD has dropped the ball, etc. etc. etc.

These couldn't be further from the truth, and there is 36.4 billion reasons to prove that.
 
Me likes. My guess is that GT5 has brought a ton of GT players more than the amount of people that left because of the negatives. I have no doubt that GT6 is going to surprise the people that "hate" GT5.
 
Statistics. The cause, and end of, all arguments ever. 9 out of 10 people agree.

I wonder how many of those 36 billion miles were done by players, and how many were done by B-Spec Bob. Probably Bob is responsible for the majority?
 
another_jakhole
Me likes. My guess is that GT5 has brought a ton of GT players more than the amount of people that left because of the negatives. I have no doubt that GT6 is going to surprise the people that "hate" GT5.
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That is exactly why I posted this. No one can deny how impressive those numbers are.

I would really love to see how GT5 compares to all the Gran Turismo's in sales at 577 days after launch (number taken from Famine's news post).
 
roflcoptor
Statistics. The cause, and end of, all arguments ever. 9 out of 10 people agree.

I wonder how many of those 36 billion miles were done by players, and how many were done by B-Spec Bob. Probably Bob is responsible for the majority?
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They're online races only. Not A-Spec, not B-Spec, not Seasonals, not Arcade and not Remote Races. Just online races.

And yes, that was a fun article to write :D
 
phil bell
Pointless thread to be honest.
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Pointless post in a pointless thread? Imagine that. Anyways, I don't see how this thread is pointless, I'm not part of the PD fan club or anything, but it's nice to see a thread not about 8 year olds fighting over DLC or people posting fake statistics trying to sound like they know what they're talking about. I personally think that is quite the achievement for PD and GT5.
 
Famine
They're online races only. Not A-Spec, not B-Spec, not Seasonals, not Arcade and not Remote Races. Just online races.

And yes, that was a fun article to write :D
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That is good to know. So GT5 (warts and all) still has managed to have every one the 7.3 million players to drive on average 500 online miles?

That is a smashing success.:)
 
phil bell
Pointless thread to be honest.
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A damn sight less pointless than the stupid threads on "worst name for a paint job" or some tripe like that.

It is a fantastic statistic for a game, and it shows just how popular GT5 is, despite the flaws it has.

Well done everybody!
 
maxpontiac
That is exactly why I posted this. No one can deny how impressive those numbers are.

I would really love to see how GT5 compares to all the Gran Turismo's in sales at 577 days after launch (number taken from Famine's news post).
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There was this Thomas guy on VGChartz that was keeping track of the numbers. GT5 was outselling the other GT's (might only have been GT4 though) most of the time. He made a few comments about that a while ago, but he stopped posting there. FYI, I don't post on there.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=139657
ethomaz on 06 February 2012
For comparison...

GT4 1 year and 3 months after launch: 7,630k
GT5 1 year and 1 month after launch: 7,430k
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http://www.vgchartz.com/game/7678/gran-turismo-5/Comments/
ethomaz (on 30 October 2011)
@tontus in Week 48 GT4 sold 3,723,790 (EMEAA) / GT5 sold 4,138,309...
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maxpontiac
If those numbers are correct, GT5 is still running close to typical Gran Turismo numbers.

Thanks.
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I'm thinking GT5 is short by a bit. It seems like GT5 was barely bundled. I think the largest of its bundles was released around 2 months ago. The ones before this one were on shorter scales I THINK.
 
maxpontiac
How many times have I came to read this website only to find posts and threads that indicate GT5 is a failure, people won't be buying GT6, the game is dying, PD has dropped the ball, etc. etc. etc.

These couldn't be further from the truth, and there is 36.4 billion reasons to prove that.
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This could be evidence (not proof) to support that GT5 isn't a failure, but I'd certainly say that PD did drop the ball and that anyone hesitant to get GT6 is more than justified. However many miles driven doesn't change that at all. We also don't have miles vs time. The majority of these miles could have been driven a while ago and dropped off very quickly. We weren't actually given a lot of data to make any sort of solid conclusion.

On the whole getting involved with a game thing, I don't care what it is people do with their time. I don't look down on someone who just works some basic job to fund a video game hobby and not do much else. I don't think many people on GTP are like that though. I like discussing things. A good argument is fun and the opportunity to teach or learn even a small fact is always nice.
 
Exorcet
This could be evidence (not proof) to support that GT5 isn't a failure, but I'd certainly say that PD did drop the ball and that anyone hesitant to get GT6 is more than justified. However many miles driven doesn't change that at all. We also don't have miles vs time. The majority of these miles could have been driven a while ago and dropped off very quickly. We weren't actually given a lot of data to make any sort of solid conclusion.

On the whole getting involved with a game thing, I don't care what it is people do with their time. I don't look down on someone who just works some basic job to fund a video game hobby and not do much else. I don't think many people on GTP are like that though. I like discussing things. A good argument is fun and the opportunity to teach or learn even a small fact is always nice.
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Being how it is your money is justification alone, so I agree with you. But the only reason I even took the time to bring this from the News Section to the Forums was to bring the only proof I have found to show that GT5 is not the failure that some indicate.

Of course the time spent on a game by players is lower. GT5 released at the end of 2010. The attention span of most gamers doesn't seem to carry on for more then a year or so, and the only reason I say this is because of the annual and bi-annual releases of several titles.
 
maxpontiac
That is good to know. So GT5 (warts and all) still has managed to have every one the 7.3 million players to drive on average 500 online miles?

That is a smashing success.:)
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I know of one frequent GTP complainer who dosen't race online at all so it makes the average miles per user a little higher and that much more impressive. ;)
 
I put most of it down to people being far more cynical now than they used to be. You see it all the time in movie reviews, game reviews, peoples comments on TV shows.

The ending of Lost was the biggest pile of ____ ever.
Prometheus is utter _____
GT5 is complete _____

People hype things up to crazy levels and then tear them down when they dont reach the crazy expectations that they set for them. For some reason GT5 was meant to be the perfect game and when it wasn't that is PD's fault for not reaching an impossible goal.
Prometheus was built up as a genre defining moment in Sci-Fi and when it wasn't somehow that was Ridley Scott's fault for not making his movie better.

Its as if people have forgotten how to take pleasure in anything anymore and instead look only at the faults and blow them out of all proportions in order to tear down the game/move/TV show. This seams to be applied even more so if the object in question is an established franchise where the hype train goes into overload.

If only there was some way we could drop GT3 onto the modern cynical mindset and see how they would tear it down...I think that would be very interesting.

Just my $0.02
 
mcfizzle
I know of one frequent GTP complainer who doeen't race online at all so it makes the average miles per user a little higher and that much more impressive. ;)
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Well, truth be told, I have not even raced 500 miles online. I have 28,000 miles or so put into GT5 and the majority of that is from offline modes such as A-Spec, Arcade and of course B-Spec.
 
The numbers are impressive, but they proof nothing.

Dont get me wrong. GT5 is still a Great Racing Game and my favorite racing Game, but the number doesn't make the Game better or worse. It just proofs nothing.

DaveS1138
People hype things up to crazy levels and then tear them down when they dont reach the crazy expectations that they set for them. For some reason GT5 was meant to be the perfect game and when it wasn't that is PD's fault for not reaching an impossible goal.
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That was 70% PD and Sony fault. They said things like "You get over 1000 Cars", "The Real Driving Simulator", and so on.

They hyped the Game to much and the Fans trust them, but Nobody though that 800 are Standard Cars for example.

Yamauchi had a Target and asked Sony for 2 more years, but didn't get them. PD had targets they couldn't reach with GT5.
They had a List of features like Livery Editor and so on too.
 
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Impressive numbers indeed. I think Dave said it best, the hypetrain & 21st century mindset really spoilt the game for a lot of people, and it's a shame. Yea, it's not perfect, but neither was Jaws, but it still does a damn good job entertaining people.

I'll happily admit that I've probably done at least 10 people's shares by myself; and while plenty were in races where I was clocked off on the first corner by some dingus, I'm at the point where I have enough good racing available to sustain me week to week.
 
maxpontiac
Well, truth be told, I have not even raced 500 miles online. I have 28,000 miles or so put into GT5 and the majority of that is from offline modes such as A-Spec, Arcade and of course B-Spec.
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I know, it was a joke. I would assume less than 1/4 of GT players have ran over 500 miles online. I have probably put in 2500 miles online, but most of the past 6 months or so.
 
maxpontiac
Being how it is your money is justification alone, so I agree with you. But the only reason I even took the time to bring this from the News Section to the Forums was to bring the only proof I have found to show that GT5 is not the failure that some indicate.

Of course the time spent on a game by players is lower. GT5 released at the end of 2010. The attention span of most gamers doesn't seem to carry on for more then a year or so, and the only reason I say this is because of the annual and bi-annual releases of several titles.
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How many times are people going to understand that sales figures does NOT dictate whether a game is good or not? The Need for Speed series almost alludes this with every new release. You can have the best selling game, however it still doesn't change the amount of flaws it may carry.

The Paint chip system, the amount of updates since release, mishandled DLC, Rally, Rain on select tracks, and Karting. Evidently, it tries to do so much at once, that it falls on its face. Maybe if PD focuses one aspect of the game and leaves other features for future titles, then maybe the game we have right now could've been much more polished. As I mentioned before, GT5 undeniably lacks consistency and that alone is a game breaker for me.
 
36.4 Billion online miles is still a very impressive feat, no matter if you like GT5 or not, and anything else but finding it impressive is just pure ignorance.
 
Ls2BluGoat
How many times are people going to understand that sales figures does NOT dictate whether a game is good or not? The Need for Speed series almost alludes this with every new release. You can have the best selling game, however it still doesn't change the amount of flaws it may carry.

The Paint chip system, the amount of updates since release, mishandled DLC, Rally, Rain on select tracks, and Karting. Evidently, it tries to do so much at once, that it falls on its face. Maybe if PD focuses one aspect of the game and leaves other features for future titles, then maybe the game we have right now could've been much more polished. As I mentioned before, GT5 undeniably lacks consistency and that alone is a game breaker for me.
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This question could be asked as well.

Why do people continue to believe that because a game (for example) isn't good in their eyes, it is the same way for everyone?

For GT Planet - How long is it going to take before the unhappy members of GTPlanet realize that their opinion doesn't represent the majority of GT5 players?
 
Mac K
36.4 Billion online miles is still a very impressive feat, no matter if you like GT5 or not, and anything else but finding it impressive is just pure ignorance.
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An impressive figure no doubt but we don't have a yardstick.
Not sure what other games provide the figures.

F4 I've done over 120,000 miles, that's not including miles done tuning.

Ive clocked about 150 miles to the GT total though.
 
maxpontiac
For GT Planet - How long is it going to take before the unhappy members of GTPlanet realize that their opinion doesn't represent the majority of GT5 players?
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and you know that? Did you ask Every GT Player? Some would say it's because GT has no competition on PS3 yet.
 

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