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So how to make a good tune, this goes for anycar that u want to drift. So first u can use either drag tune or drift tune they both work, n 2nd if u have 4WD go to ur tourqe and put the rear all the way to 90. Next for regular tuneing u should put ur top speed all the way down or u can call sliping the transmission.
 
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So how to make a good tune, this goes for anycar that u want to drift. So first u can use either drag tune or drift tune they both work, n 2nd if u have 4WD go to ur tourqe and put the rear all the way to 90. Next for regular tuneing u should put ur top speed all the way down or u can call sliping the transmission.

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Hahahahahahaha. :') omg. No offence mate but that's a poor attempt. Probs being to nice to even call in an attempt.

You need way more in depth tuning. Suspension, brakes, stage 1 engine or max? , what turbo? , gear ratio's , tyres. Whacking the Torque right up isn't going to do much no doubt makes the car worst if anything. For an idea look at other tuning's people have done yeah?
 
You have no idea how indepth tuning can get. You can tune for angle, grip, stability, or just plain speed.. I do this, its not as easy as it looks. Drifting requires grip, and Drag tunes dont work worth a damn, and extremely short transmissions dont either as all your doing is slowing the car down. I use to use rabbit gears for tight tracks as it allowed full throttle for extended periods of time.
 
So how to make a good tune, this goes for anycar that u want to drift. So first u can use either drag tune or drift tune they both work, n 2nd if u have 4WD go to ur tourqe and put the rear all the way to 90. Next for regular tuneing u should put ur top speed all the way down or u can call sliping the transmission.

why you wasting your time?
 
You have no idea how indepth tuning can get. You can tune for angle, grip, stability, or just plain speed.. I do this, its not as easy as it looks. Drifting requires grip, and Drag tunes dont work worth a damn, and extremely short transmissions dont either as all your doing is slowing the car down. I use to use rabbit gears for tight tracks as it allowed full throttle for extended periods of time.

Than you clearly don't know how to set up for drag because they work better than a lot of drift tunes buddy.
 
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Than you clearly don't know how to set up for drag because they work better than a lot of drift tunes buddy.

I'm confused. Did you really just say a drag tune is better than a drift turn for drifting?
 
Than you clearly don't know how to set up for drag because they work better than a lot of drift tunes buddy.

:lol: What...? Drag tunes are to make a car go straight, drift tunes are to make a car slide under control. Whoever uses a drag tune to drift really needs some serious help. It's two completely opposite things.
 
Than you clearly don't know how to set up for drag because they work better than a lot of drift tunes buddy.
I can promise you a drag setup would not hold water compared to properly setup drift setup. Wanna try? I promise your drag setup will leave you in a wall.
 
Than you clearly don't know how to set up for drag because they work better than a lot of drift tunes buddy.

Drag cars need grip to rear tires.

Drift cars need to lose grip in a controlled way, removing grip from the rear tires.



Most drift cars sit still at the line for like 200 feet, skidding, before they get in motion.

The fastest drag cars are either AWD or Red Bulls.


I don't think that slashfan (known for being a drag racer) meant that drag cars work better for drifting. I think he meant that drag cars work better than drift cars, for drag racing.
 
You have no idea how indepth tuning can get. You can tune for angle, grip, stability, or just plain speed.. I do this, its not as easy as it looks. Drifting requires grip, and Drag tunes dont work worth a damn, and extremely short transmissions dont either as all your doing is slowing the car down. I use to use rabbit gears for tight tracks as it allowed full throttle for extended periods of time.

Disappointing.

Drag Tunes tend to maximize Front-to-rear weight transfer off of the line so the rear tires get maximized grip under forward acceleration, and have transmission ratios selected to maximize smooth, even acceleration between 0-150mph or so, speeds that drift cars do not exceed during cornering. Just because a car has maximized its acceleration, does not mean that it has poor handling. A properly tuned car can accelerate a quarter mile within a tenth of a second of its max potential without having prohibitively detrimental understeer. As long as the tires are not under considerable Toe-in, they can drift just fine and accelerate out of corners exceedingly well.

You need weight transfer to drift properly, and to pull off almost any form of complex drifting. Weight transfer is not always lateral, but also longitudinal, and many novice drifters make the mistake of ignoring the front-rear weight transfer while driving. Drag tunes usually have a raised rear end without extremely tight suspensions, so during cornering and braking the rear wheels tend to lose traction very quickly under this weight transfer (both longitudinal and lateral). The transmissions are tuned so that they have the closest amount of grip they can get at full throttle, which allows a car to be relatively stable under extreme input during or on exit of a corner.

It is not a coincidence that almost all of these qualities are also beneficial to drift tuning. It *is* a case by case scenario, and a full-tuned drag car will not drift perfectly, just as a full-tuned drift car will not drag race at its peak performance, but it is very possible, likely, and relatively easy to tune the car to do both jobs relatively easily, especially if it is tuned to drag race on lower G-rating tires.

The only feature of a drag tune that would make a car prohibitively poor to drift is an extreme toe-in on the front or rear wheels that might cancel out any oversteer. However, a minor amount in some cars is perfectly acceptable and even easier to control, and even with extreme toe, an experienced drifter can still drift (albeit not very well) without needing inherent oversteer.

The simple fact of the matter is that for a car to function properly in any circumstance, drag, drift, or track racing, the tuning must be balanced enough that it is capable of being controlled relatively easily to produce maximum, consistent results. Drifting is so much about car control that whether or not you are a capable driver determines more of how well a car can drift, than its tune. If you can't drift a decent drag car, then you must learn to drift better. Slap some CH tires on a drag tuned 1970 Challenger R/T and if you can't drift it, then you need to improve. My current Challenger tune drifts beautifully on CH, with max power and minimum weight and a drag-tuned transmission.

Are drag tunes better than drift tunes, for drifting? No. Are they viable to use in a drift car? Of course. Can a car be okay at drag racing and drifting? Easily.

Don't be closed minded.
 
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Actually there are several other things more than toe that will cause a drag car to drift poorly. Such as the extremely short trans gears. Yes it keep the car in its power band but it will not help the car accelerate do to the fact that is has excessive wheel spin. A good drift setup well out perform even the best drag setup in a drifting environment. What is disappointing is the fact that you think its easy. Well your wrong it is not.
 
Actually there are several other things more than toe that will cause a drag car to drift poorly. Such as the extremely short trans gears. Yes it keep the car in its power band but it will not help the car accelerate do to the fact that is has excessive wheel spin. A good drift setup well out perform even the best drag setup in a drifting environment. What is disappointing is the fact that you think its easy. Well your wrong it is not.

Do more research and practice.
 
I really don't get the point of this argument. Which is best...? The people that really know about drifting know what's best. It's really pointless to compared drift tunes to drag tunes.

I'll just say this... go ahead and use a drag tune on a drift competition... see how far you get...
 
Do more research and practice.
Coming from someone who is never in actual comps? I have made myself known. I know how to drag tune. They do not compare period. Also weigh transfer is not required to drift. So take your useless information back to the total drifting experience.
 
Coming from someone who is never in actual comps? I have made myself known. I know how to drag tune. They do not compare period. Also weigh transfer is not required to drift. So take your useless information back to the total drifting experience.

:lol: 👍 Everyone that knows Fox knows he can tune. Even further some of the stuff I learned from him I still use in my tuning method. You really don't want to get in a tuning argument with him buddy. :)
 
Is there anyone here brave enough to show to the "Drag Tune Forum" guys this thread and ask what they think about it?

Nevermind, it would only make they laugh hard about us. I don´t want to put any reason to agree with Fox, Mav or GhostZ. But any of you all noticed that Drag is much more precise about tunnings compared to Drifting (witch 30% is tunning properly and 70% is all about techniques and physics understand)?

Lets face it: The Drag Tunning forums are kilometers in front of us. Sorry to say, but they have a lot more knowlegde about how the thing works in GT5, mostly because that´s their main goal. There are very few consense here of what works better for each car.
 
I like how the end GhostZ's large post was ignored...

LOL!!! So true...

GhostZ's last two paragraphs are true (along with the rest of his post). GhostZ's post is very well written. Props to GhostZ. 👍

Tuning is about achieving a "balance" for YOUR driving style regardless if its drag, drift, or grip. It is very possible that one tune could be easily used for another racing discipline (e.g. drag for drift or drift for drag).
 
I'm not saying it can not be done. But it does take skill and understanding. Yes I think the tuning in the Drag portion of the game is on a whole different level than drift tuning. I completely agree with what Gam has said.
 
Lets face it: The Drag Tunning forums are kilometers in front of us. Sorry to say, but they have a lot more knowlegde about how the thing works in GT5, mostly because that´s their main goal. There are very few consense here of what works better for each car.

But why the comparison? It's two completely different things, true, they are awesome at their own stuff because it's their main thing, a lot of them is all they do, but I can safely say we have more knowledge on how the thing works for us driftwise. We put more time into it & we have developed techniques that work amazing for drifting, most of us here understand what it takes to make a good drift car easier than most of them. Viceversa when it comes to drag tuning. The two things shouldn't be compared.
 
But why the comparison? It's two completely different things, true, they are awesome at their own stuff because it's their main thing, a lot of them is all they do, but I can safely say we have more knowledge on how the thing works for us driftwise. We put more time into it & we have developed techniques that work amazing for drifting, most of us here understand what it takes to make a good drift car easier than most of them. Viceversa when it comes to drag tuning. The two things shouldn't be compared.

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I personally have tuned cars for drag and obviously drifting. They are two different monsters.
 
But why the comparison? It's two completely different things, true, they are awesome at their own stuff because it's their main thing, a lot of them is all they do, but I can safely say we have more knowledge on how the thing works for us driftwise. We put more time into it & we have developed techniques that work amazing for drifting, most of us here understand what it takes to make a good drift car easier than most of them. Viceversa when it comes to drag tuning. The two things shouldn't be compared.

Let me put things more clear, then:

1 - Drag tunes are more precise than Drift Tunes. Remember how many times you readed "Drift tunes are personal and based on the drifter´s style of driving"? Exactly. Otherwise, for drag there is more consense of what tunning works for anybody, so these lines doesn´t happens for them, im general.
2 - Drifting is a lot more driving skills than tunning wise. Even a stock setup car can do the job, not that well, but it can. I´d say that drifting is 70% techniques and 30% tunning, while drag is the oposite.
3 - Yes, in fact they are a lot more experienced than us in find the optimal tuning on GT5, specialy taking benefit of possible glitches, like refurbished post broken engine for extra HPs that are not visible in the stats.
4 - I don´t want to argue forever to prove that they have more knowledge on their area than us on ours, all i need to point is their subforum for drag tunning. And what we have here? Oh, the flawed drifting depot.

I´m not saying that a top notch drag tunner can easily find the best setup for drifting any day of the week, nor the oposite. Im just saying that when each one in his area, they know more about tunning for drag than we do for drifting, in general.
 
But why the heck do you keep comparing so much? I'm sure a lot of people would agree that all these comparisons are pointless. They are two completely different automotive sports. Completely opposite, they tune to go straight, we tune to go sideways under control. It's just plain stupid to compare. And just because they have their own tuning sub-forum doesn't make them better. 👎
 
Oh my god... Mav, did you at least readed my first post here?

Is there anyone here brave enough to show to the "Drag Tune Forum" guys this thread and ask what they think about it?

Nevermind, it would only make they laugh hard about us. I don´t want to put any reason to agree with Fox, Mav or GhostZ. But any of you all noticed that Drag is much more precise about tunnings compared to Drifting (witch 30% is tunning properly and 70% is all about techniques and physics understand)?

Lets face it: The Drag Tunning forums are kilometers in front of us. Sorry to say, but they have a lot more knowlegde about how the thing works in GT5, mostly because that´s their main goal. There are very few consense here of what works better for each car.

This freaking thread started from the point that "use either drag tune or drift tune they both work". Some people was pointing this as ridiculous, some was pointing what benefits the drag tunes can bring for the drifters, but never none of both agreed with the OP (if someone did, point me where).

Then i came up with the idea to show this thread to the Drag crew, and ask what they think about this all. Finally i pointed how many energy they put to find the optimal tunning, while our main goal is about techniques. Thats it!

Is that enough, or do i need to draw?
 
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