Assualt Weapons Ban

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Well, i'm counting down the hours to the expiration of Clinton's Assualt Weapons Ban..... :D Who else is waiting???? I imagine i'm gonna get flamed for being a Gun advocate. I own my share, and will own more in the future. But unlike some, most, Gun owners, i'm fairly well trained in their use, and gun safety. Joining the Infantry does that for you. Anyways, just wondering how many of you Democrats and Liberals have your panies in a wad over this.

(i'm going to try and be more active here again, Damn Star Wars Galaxies game, and stupid Hurricanes!!! curses on you!!!)
 
87chevy
But unlike some, most, Gun owners, i'm fairly well trained in their use, and gun safety.
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"Gun safety"? That goes in the same category as "Microsoft works". Or "Military Intelligence".
 
Please no one bother to respond to this crap. Believing you need a gun for anything other than war is why so many Americans die each year from gun-related accidents. Good, let 'em fall by their own hands. You know what? Buy a thousand guns, hand 'em out to your friends, and go kill each other so we won't have to listen to you anymore. But remember to keep one rule in mind: Only kill other people who have guns. That way, no decent, intelligent people will die.

This guy's actually obnoxious enough to have a big honkin' 4x4 as his avatar and the quote "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" as his personal signature. Only thing missing is a Confederate flag.
 
Criminals were still able to obtain these type of weapons, so the ban was almost useless. IMO, it only prevented advocates like yourself, 87chevy, from legally purchasing these type of weapons.

The first Liberal who blames Bush in this thread, I'm gonna go ballistic on. It's not Bush's fault, it is Congress' fault. Bush would love and willing to sign the law, but the Democrats have backed away from this issue. The Republican controlled Congress cannot get enough of the Democrats to vote for it, so the law will quietly fade away.
 
To me, the clue is in it's name. An Assault weapon has no place anywhere other than the army/in a war.
 
The assault weapon ban dos'nt ban assault weapons. Its a feel good piece of legislation that serves no purpose. Good ridance to it. Anderton you seem to have your panties in a bunch, are you going out of your way to change your name to Richard ?
 
daan
To me, the clue is in it's name. An Assault weapon has no place anywhere other than the army/in a war.
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Yeah, and who gets to lable guns as "Assault Weapons"? Anti gun morons who have their head up their ass. A few legitimate hunting firearms were banned because of this stupid law. A lot more sporting rifles were banned too.

The most worthless piece of legislation that has ever been past. Good ridance.
 
That legislation seems to violate the sencond amendment I would think. "The right to bear arms" I believe it is.

I must own...jeez 8 or 9 different guns. .22 revolver, .22 rifle, 30-06 rifle, 30.30 rifle, .270 rifle, 410 shot gun, 12 gauge shot gun, 9mm semi-auto pistol, and my newest addition to the family .357 revolver. I can't wait to fire that baby at the range.

But why do I own a gun? First off, I hunt, and I I hunt every thing. I live all year for November 15 (Michigan's deer opener). That is my favorite time in the year.

Why else do I own guns? I'm an active member at a local in-door shooting range where I fire hand guns and I belong to a sportsman club were I shoot skeet and long ranged targets.

I have taken many safety classes, I'm not military trained, but I know my way around a gun a how to keep things that should be alive...well alive.


Please no one bother to respond to this crap. Believing you need a gun for anything other than war is why so many Americans die each year from gun-related accidents. Good, let 'em fall by their own hands. You know what? Buy a thousand guns, hand 'em out to your friends, and go kill each other so we won't have to listen so you anymore. But remember to keep one rule in mind: Only kill other people who have guns. That way, no decent, intelligent people will die.

This guy's actually obnoxious enough to have a big honkin' 4x4 as his avatar and the quote "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" as his personal signature. Only thing missing is a Confederate flag.
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Wow you sir are a prejudice bastard! So everyone from the south is a gun toting redneck with a lifted truck. 87Chevy is more American then a lot of people I know, he served his country proudly, he drives an American made truck, and I'm pretty impressed he can put up with that aweful weather down in Flordia.

But I can't blame you, your a stupid Canadian who knows jack about America. I don't shoot my mouth off about your country do I? No I don't think so. So why in the hell should you do the same about mine?

You asked why do you need a gun? One big reason I can think of is protection. Others I stated in the above statement so feel free to look.
 
Full automatic firearms (real assault weapons) have been banned since the 1930s in the United States. United State Citizens can purchase full automatic firearms legally. It's called Class 3 Weapons License it's 200 USD, The person goes through a real thorough background check, and the BATF can come into your home and inspect the firearm at anytime. So umm a person gets a Class 3 License, Buys M-16 for $10,000 USD, and another $1,000 USD for a firearm safe. Is he/she going to use it for crime? I say NO!

Kristof
 
The assault waepons ban was a PR stunt to make a bunch of pussies feel morally superior. Rates of crime with assault weapons stayed flat during the term. It was an ineffective, feel-good measure for liberals. Time for truth and freedom.
 
BlazinXtreme
I must own...jeez 8 or 9 different guns. .22 revolver, .22 rifle, 30-06 rifle, 30.30 rifle, .270 rifle, 410 shot gun, 12 gauge shot gun, 9mm semi-auto pistol, and my newest addition to the family .357 revolver. I can't wait to fire that baby at the range..
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You need 8 or 9 guns to protect you from what? If you really do need this many guns primarily for protection, maybe you should move somewhere civilized.

BlazinXtreme
Why do I own a gun? First off, I hunt, and I I hunt every thing. I live all year for November 15 (Michigan's deer opener). That is my favorite time in the year.
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Do you use your .357 and 9mm to hunt? Why do you own 6 rifles/shotguns AND two handguns? That's too many guns! And why are you hunting in the first place? You don't need to kill to survive, and if the feeling of taking the life of another living thing is pleasing to you, seek help before you stop shooting deer and start shooting your neighbours.

BlazinXtreme
Why else do I own guns? I'm an active member at a local in-door shooting range where I fire hand guns and I belong to a sportsman club were I shoot skeet and long ranged targets.
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So basically, one of the prime reasons you own guns is so you can shoot them. Good reason. And you belong to a sportsman club? You, my friend, are as far from a "sportsman" as it is humanly possible to get. I think you have some issues to work out, along with many - but not all - of your fellow countrymen. Especially when you write something like:

BlazinXtreme
I have taken many safety classes, I'm not military trained, but I know my way around a gun a how to keep things that should be alive...well alive.
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So you take it upon yourself to judge what should and should not be alive? What the hell is wrong with you? You shoot animals with your guns and think it's right, that's what's wrong with you.

BlazinXtreme
Wow you sir are a prejudice bastard! So everyone from the south is a gun toting redneck with a lifted truck.
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Sigh. I didn't say that at any time. My post specifically reads "THIS GUY'S actually obnoxious enough..." Can you read, Blazin? I read what 87chevy wrote, saw his avatar, and then read his signature - which is arguably ignorant - and formed an opinion ABOUT HIM. But like many patriotic Americans, you take personal offence to anything said about anyone from your country. Deal with it, because I wasn't talking about you or anyone else besides 87chevy.

"Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." If that's not the warcry of a sub-moronic bastard I don't know what is. And this is precisely the type of person who should NOT own a gun. Not 8 guns, not 9 guns, not even a single gun. He is what gives responsible gun-owners trouble from those who oppose guns in the hands of civilians. When someone says something like 87chevy's signature, it tends to make people uneasy. Or didn't you know that?
 
ah, good trusty ledhed, solidlifters, and blazinextreme thanks fellas. oh, neonduke too. Anderton your a ..... ok, no personal attacks. But, can i ask you this do you own your own car?
 
Anderton
Umm, yes I do. Why?
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Do you really need one? Is it completely safe? How many people die from automobiles? Is their use and distribution well regulated? Can you live without one? Is it not dangerous to drive or ride in an automobile?
 
Anderton
You need 8 or 9 guns to protect you from what? If you really do need this many guns primarily for protection, maybe you should move somewhere civilized.



Do you use your .357 and 9mm to hunt? Why do you own 6 rifles/shotguns AND two handguns? That's too many guns! And why are you hunting in the first place? You don't need to kill to survive, and if the feeling of taking the life of another living thing is pleasing to you, seek help before you stop shooting deer and start shooting your neighbours.



So basically, one of the prime reasons you own guns is so you can shoot them. Good reason. And you belong to a sportsman club? You, my friend, are as far from a "sportsman" as it is humanly possible to get. I think you have some issues to work out, along with many - but not all - of your fellow countrymen. Especially when you write something like:



So you take it upon yourself to judge what should and should not be alive? What the hell is wrong with you? You shoot animals with your guns and think it's right, that's what's wrong with you.



Sigh. I didn't say that at any time. My post specifically reads "THIS GUY'S actually obnoxious enough..." Can you read, Blazin? I read what 87chevy wrote, saw his avatar, and then read his signature - which is arguably ignorant - and formed an opinion ABOUT HIM. But like many patriotic Americans, you take personal offence to anything said about anyone from your country. Deal with it, because I wasn't talking about you or anyone else besides 87chevy.

"Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." If that's not the warcry of a sub-moronic bastard I don't know what is. And this is precisely the type of person who should NOT own a gun. Not 8 guns, not 9 guns, not even a single gun. He is what gives responsible gun-owners trouble from those who oppose guns in the hands of civilians. When someone says something like 87chevy's signature, it tends to make people uneasy. Or didn't you know that?
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Since you are asking these questions, you are obvioulsy ignorant to the reality of firearms. So, what makes you think to can call someone not a sportsman when firearms are concerned? Do you often make a complete prejudice, racist ass out of yourself?
 
Anderton
"Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." If that's not the warcry of a sub-moronic bastard I don't know what is. And this is precisely the type of person who should NOT own a gun. Not 8 guns, not 9 guns, not even a single gun. He is what gives responsible gun-owners trouble from those who oppose guns in the hands of civilians. When someone says something like 87chevy's signature, it tends to make people uneasy. Or didn't you know that?
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lol. it's also just kinda funny, the signature i mean. You seem to take everything at face value. I think there are plenty of people here who actually put things as avataars or signatures to mock them, i'm pretty sure i've seen that. Maybe you should think just a tad more, before blurting out your ignorant judgements. I think what you pointed out as a weakness, or fault of Americans, is actually what makes us so great. when it comes down to it, Yankees will fight for Rednecks, and Rednecks will fight for Yankees when ignorant foriegners attack them. That is part of what makes this country the Greatest Country In The World. even with all our faults.
 
The assault weapon ban didn't ban assault weapons. It banned weapons that "looked like" assault weapons, on the belief that the public couldn't readily identify which was real and which was fake. It also banned the production of magazines holding more than 10 rounds (Making my .22 an assault weapon, since it has an integrated 16 round magazine). The former is completely and utterly retarded, for people like Anderton and daan to not wet the bed at night thinking of the big bad boogyman and all his thousands of guns who want to kill them. The latter, while also stupid, is understandable and at least somewhat justified.

Also, I'd like to point out that fully automatic weapons have been strictly controlled by the government since they've been produced, and NO legally owned fully automatic weapon has EVER been used in ANY crime.

12 LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN U.S.
National Center for Health Statistics

ALL CAUSES 2,169,518
Heart Disease 720,862
Cancers 514,657
Strokes 143,481

ACCIDENTS 89,347
Motor Vehicle 43,536
Falls 12,662
Poisoning (solid, liquid, gas) 6,434
Drowning (incl. water transport drownings) 4,685
Suffocation (mechanical, ingestion) 4,195
Fires and flames 4,120
Surgical/Medical misadventures* 2,473
Other Transportation (excl. drownings) 2,086
Natural/Environmental factors 1,453
Firearms 1,441
Chronic pulmonary diseases 90,650
Pneumonia and influenza 77,860
Diabetes 48,951
Suicide** 30,810
HIV Infections (AIDS) 29,555
Homicide and legal intervention*** 26,513
Cirrhosis and other liver diseases 25,429

* A Harvard University study suggests 93,000 deaths annually related
to medical negligence, excluding tens of thousands more deaths from non-
hospital medical office/lab mistakes and thousands of hospital caused
infections.
** Approximately 60% involve firearms.
*** Approximately 60% involve firearms. Florida State University
criminologist Gary Kleck estimates 1,500-2,800 self-defense and
justifiable homicides by civilians and 300-600 by police annually.

These statistics are from 1995. I guess we should ban every type of food except for Cheerios and eggs, since heart disease would easily be completely prevented if those were the only two foods available. Anderton, daan, you two are ****ing idiots. I hope one of you falls off a cliff, so that the other one can complain about how we should outlaw cliffs.
 
Anderton, daan, you two are ****ing idiots. I hope one of you falls off a cliff, so that the other one can complain about how we should outlaw cliffs.
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Try and see our point of view. In many countries firearms are illegal. And it is very hard (almost impossible) to find any reason why any of these anti-fireamr countries should have any reasons to legalise guns.
The only reason, that I can see, you have firearms in America is because it is part of the base of your constitution and would be very difficult to change. In the UK handguns were outlawed after the 1996 Dunblane massacre, the UK is all the better for it.

I can see why people own handguns. They are mainly sporting and range guns. I can see why you might own a shotgun. But why 2? I can understand why you might own a rifle or 2, but why would anyone want a fully-automatic weapon? If you want to pump something with multiple pieces of led use a shotgun.

I must own...jeez 8 or 9 different guns
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You're not sure how many guns you own? What impression do you think that would make if a firearms inspector/officer knocked on your door right now?
 
Ghost C
Also, I'd like to point out that fully automatic weapons have been strictly controlled by the government since they've been produced, and NO legally owned fully automatic weapon has EVER been used in ANY crime.
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No, that's not completely true, but pretty close. A legally owned fully automatic Uzi was used in the Mc Donald's Massacare back in 1984.
 
ExigeExcel
The only reason, that I can see, you have firearms in America is because it is part of the base of your constitution and would be very difficult to change. In the UK handguns were outlawed after the 1996 Dunblane massacre, the UK is all the better for it.
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Fact: England now has twice as many homicides with firearms as it did
before adopting its repressive laws, yet its politicians have responded to
rising crime by further restricting rifles and shotguns. During the past
dozen years, handgun-related robbery has risen 200% in Britain, five times
as fast as the rise in the U.S.

I can see why people own handguns. They are mainly sporting and range guns. I can see why you might own a shotgun. But why 2? I can understand why you might own a rifle or 2, but why would anyone want a fully-automatic weapon? If you want to pump something with multiple pieces of led use a shotgun.
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Who gets to decide how many guns a person gets to own? Maybe they want two pistols for two different purposes. Say, a Colt 1911 for the .45 ACP's power for defense, but a Beretta U22 for the .22 LR's inexpensive nature for target shooting?

Why have computers? Or phones? If you want to communicate with someone, you can walk to where they are. If you want information, go to a library. Why do we need a specific purpose for having fully automatic firearms? Perhaps one might like to collect them.

You're not sure how many guns you own? What impression do you think that would make if a firearms inspector/officer knocked on your door right now
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At one point I had so many guns in my home that I actually forgot where some were. And you know what? I think that's great.

No, that's not completely true, but pretty close. A legally owned fully automatic Uzi was used in the Mc Donald's Massacare back in 1984.
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Are you sure about that? I know the incident, but I'm fairly certain the Uzi wasn't fully automatic, or was illegally converted to fire full auto.
 
You know, I could be wrong, to be honest. But, I remember reading about the story and watching the video taped event on that day 20 years ago. The story had come out that he was a military of police officer who had legal full automatic weapons, and that he used one during his rampage. Like I said, this was 20 years ago.
 
At one point I had so many guns in my home that I actually forgot where some were. And you know what? I think that's great.
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That scares me, that scares me alot. I thank my anscestors that they never emigrated to the USA.

Why have computers? Or phones? If you want to communicate with someone, you can walk to where they are. If you want information, go to a library. Why do we need a specific purpose for having fully automatic firearms? Perhaps one might like to collect them.
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That's like saying 'why own a gun when there's a hire'n'fire 4 blocks away'.

If you want to collect guns fine, but if you have no need to fire it why not get it deactivated or whatever you call it over there?

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Fact: England now has twice as many homicides with firearms as it did
before adopting its repressive laws, yet its politicians have responded to
rising crime by further restricting rifles and shotguns. During the past
dozen years, handgun-related robbery has risen 200% in Britain, five times
as fast as the rise in the U.S.
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Although I have no figures to back this up, there has also been an increase in things such as gang-culture. And I know this is an old, and rather weak argument, but gun culture has been 'advertised' by rappers and the such. And while I disagree rappers can be sued/banned/blamed for gun crimes, I do believe there are people out there that do take note of what rappers say and act upon it.
 
87chevy
How many people die from automobiles? Is their use and distribution well regulated? Can you live without one? Is it not dangerous to drive or ride in an automobile?
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Ghost C
Anderton, daan, you two are ****ing idiots. I hope one of you falls off a cliff, so that the other one can complain about how we should outlaw cliffs.
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Cars exist to transport people from one area to another.

Cliffs exist to separate the land from the sea.

Guns exist to fire a projectile into a target/animal/human. Guns exist to harm/kill.

I also to do not apperciate the personal attack and it has been reported.
 
I find it funny that people talk about a rise in firearms related deaths in the UK after the ban, forgetting that the number of firearms related deaths was very low in the UK when the ban was imposed, and is still very low.

I've written extensively on what I think about this subject in the other topics covering it, and backed that all up with some decent and fairly straightforward statistics and background stuff. In short, I've never seen a real gun in my life, I've never anyone get shot, and I don't even know anyone who ever got shot. I have only known someone briefly who was a member of a shooting club, something which is still possible here. Coming from that background, it's kinda difficult to understand how some countries, like the U.S., put up with having about as many gun related deaths as traffic related deaths. We can understand the importance of driving, but not the importance of shooting.

After the long discussions we had, however, I do recognise that there are certain States in the U.S. where I understand guns can come in handy. I personally would ban all guns except hunting rifles, and allow the latter only in certain areas that aren't very densely populated, and under strict regulation (mandatory training, long application period, background checks, and so on).

The fact remains that due to gun related accidents alone, many more people die in the U.S. than in countries where guns aren't as common.
 
You're not sure how many guns you own? What impression do you think that would make if a firearms inspector/officer knocked on your door right now?
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I type like I'm thinking, therefore I needed to think about it for a minute. I can't have a perfect memory everytime.

As for the thing saying I'm not a sportsman is total bs. I not only give money to the National Wildlife Foundation, but in Michigan everytime someone buys camo, blaze orange, rifles, ammo, etc. Money goes to different wildlife conservation charities. Which is fine by me, because if the woods and water are ruined, so are my days of hunting and fishing.

Is there something wrong with me being an active member at shooting clubs. If I'm not mistaken shooting is an Olympic sport, but you know who cares about that? I find it to be rather calming to go to the range. Plus shooting improves arm strength and dexterity. You also learn to calm your nerves so you don't shake so much, along with improving your awerness.

Do I need to own so many guns? Yes I do since different hunting requires different weapons. I wouldn't shoot a duck with a 30-06, and not only because its illegal due to lead containing bullets, but I'd never hit it. Thats what the twelve gauge is for, and of course I use steel shot to keep the waters clean.

But here I'll make it easy on you and tell you what I use each gun for

.22 revolver
9mm
.357
All of these I use at the indoor range, not hunting. Hell I can't ever carry a firearm with me since I don't have a CCW permit. And since I don't live in a bad area, I don't think I need one

30-06
30.30
.270

All used for hunting bigger game, deer mostly, but I have been Elk hunting before which was cool as hell.

.22 rifel

I use this for small game, its a classic gun though. My dad had it in the 1950's so it pretty old, but he took care of it so it still fires great.

That shotguns are for other various forms of hunting, duck and small game.

There now shut up and realize why I own a few guns.
 
It's been hinted at here, but never been explicitly stated, so I've got to say it.

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.

Many of the firearm deaths in the US are due to gang warfare. I don't think gangs get their guns legally. Firearm deaths in the US due to domestic disputes could have easily been committed with say a knife, something that is in every home. And blaming firearm related suicides on the gun is just simply moronic. Anyone could just as easily jump off a high place, hang themselves, or take two bottles of Aspirin at once.

It's not the guns that are to blame. It's the people using them. I don't care how many laws you can come up with. No matter what, guns will always be available to gangs and criminals. All these stupid laws like the ban on assault weapons do is keep firearms out of the hands of enthusiasts like Blazin. These are people who enjoy firearms as a hobby, people who know how to properly care for and maintain firearms, and above all, people who know and appreciate a gun's power and capacity to take life (and take the subsequent precautions when handling a gun).

If we want to decrease the number of firearm deaths, we need to educate people. Owners need to be educated on proper storage techniques to keep guns out of the hands of young children, who can't comprehend the power of a gun. We need to educate childern that it is wrong to take human life, and on proper gun safety. And if you got rid of gangs (not feasible, but just for the example), there would be a very significant drop in firearms deaths.

And on the original point on the ban of assault weapons, it is just a bill to make a bunch of morons feel better about themselves. If I can remember correctly, 'assault weapons' only account for about 2% of firearms deaths in the US. Handguns account for about 60%. These anti-gun types can't even ban the proper type of firearm...
 
Ghost C
At one point I had so many guns in my home that I actually forgot where some were. And you know what? I think that's great.
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You Americans will never win my support with comments like this scattered throughout your posts. 87chevy, take a look at this crap. Maybe he was actually putting that in his thread to be sarcastic, to mock its inherent stupidity? Well guess what? When I, or anyone else READS something in a post, as an avatar, or as a signature, there's no way to take it at anything less than face value. Your signature is offensive and obnoxious when in print form, and nothing else.
Perhaps I should take a little time to think more before responding to something I read here. But you need to give more evidence that you are a decent human being, because all I had was your signature and your comment about the assault weapons ban ending soon. Maybe you can do the same thinking before you choose to put a signature that might very well be taken at face value as offensive, and we could all debate these solution-less issues in a more friendly way.

I still "stick to my guns" about there being no need to hunt animals in 2004 other than for personal enjoyment, and I still think that's wrong. And I do know a little bit about guns, since my dad used to hunt partridge and grouse with a 12-gauge. But our family asked him to stop hunting and get rid of his 2 shotguns because my mother, my brother, my sister and I don't like the idea of having a gun in the house. But I guess that's just my dumb, stupid, ignorant Canadian ass talking.

BlazinXtreme, you personally stated one of the big reasons you own so many guns is for protection. I'm trying to tell you, now listen up here kiddies, that the fact that you feel so threatened in your own country that you must own a lethal weapon - no wait, make that 8 lethal weapons - to protect yourself is a fundamental problem.

87chevy, you're calling my freakin' CAR a weapon now? My car was not designed to kill someone or something. Automobile deaths are a consequence of driving, not the point of producing cars. I don't need to eat McDonalds either, but that type of food kills so many people. Maybe I should criticize the Big Mac as being as deadly as a .357 Magum?

The only thing I admit was stupid of me was to think I could talk sensibly with any American who owns a gun about gun ownership and why I think it's not necessary. Silly me.
 

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