Assualt Weapons Ban

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I see no point in having guns. I've gotten by 18 years, and I've never once had a use for a gun. Both of my parents have made it 50 years without ever feeling the need to own a gun. If you really feel unsafe, buy yourself a pistol for personal protection, but it is beyond me why anybody needs a closet full of assualt rifles at their house.

Keep a gun for protection if you really feel unsafe, if you want to hunt, get a gun for hunting. Besides that, though...I see no use for guns, especially assualt rifles.
 
You guys need to listen to Evo. He knows what the hell he's talking about!

We need to be teaching gun safty in school at a young age. Tell kids enough what will happen and they will more then likely listen to what you have to say. Now the parents should be smart enough to teach their kids how to safely be around a gun. I've been around guns since I was 5, and I learned how to stay safe around them. I've taken hunters safty as well, and I've attended serveral classes on firearm repair. I think I know how to stay safe around guns.

A gun will never go off without it being used by someone. A guns a tool, not a weapon. I can make anything a weapon. Hell I can kill you with a ball point pen, but should I make it illegal to carry a pen? Or maybe I should require you to have a CCW permit to have a nice Mont Blanc pen with me.


But I guess that's just my dumb, stupid, ignorant Canadian ass talking.

Well at least you are starting admit it.


BlazinXtreme, you personally stated one of the big reasons you own so many guns is for protection. I'm trying to tell you, now listen up here kiddies, that the fact that you feel so threatened in your own country that you must own a lethal weapon - no wait, make that 8 lethal weapons - to protect yourself is a fundamental problem.

I never said I use them for personal protection, others use them for personal propection. But I do know where I can quickly get a hand gun if someone is threating my family. I would not hesitate is someone was holding a weapon to my own mom, to shoot them. I'm protecting my family, just because I live in a "good" area doesn't mean crime doesn't happen.

I can't even carry a hand gun with me at all times, I don't have a CCW permit, nor do I want one.I carry a legal knife with me at all times and if the time to defend myself ever arose I would have some sort of protection with me. Better safe then sorry.

But did you pay one bit of attention to what I said, why I own so many different types? I don't think so. I mainly use the hand guns at a controled, indoor shooting range, where I take part in competitions.
 
Blazin, come on. Don't tell me you're going to equate a pen with a gun? A gun is created to kill. A pen is created to write. You can use anything as a weapon, but most things are not created to kill and maim. Yeah, teach your American youth how to handle a gun while they're still in elementary school. That ought to be good for world affairs in the future. Maybe your next generation will see a nuclear attack on your soil instead of planes flying into buildings if you keep perpetuating this gun theology in your country.

The only thing that will accomplish the feat of getting Americans to lay down their guns is truly, "From my cold dead hands."

Well, America, the world is working on it, and it shouldn't be long now. Your innocents can come to Canada, but no guns allowed. Sorry Blazin and 87chevy, them's the rules up here.
 
Hey its just simple logic, a gun is a tool as is a pen or a hammer. Can they all kill, yes. Does everyone use them to kill humans? No.

I don't even want to go on and on anymore, its useless. I've told you over and over why I have guns and why I enjoy them. I am not a murderous criminal, nor do I plan on being one. I just have a hobby and I like to take part in the great out doors.
 
I type like I'm thinking, therefore I needed to think about it for a minute. I can't have a perfect memory everytime.

So you think in capital letters, full stops and commas?

Is there something wrong with me being an active member at shooting clubs. If I'm not mistaken shooting is an Olympic sport, but you know who cares about that? I find it to be rather calming to go to the range. Plus shooting improves arm strength and dexterity. You also learn to calm your nerves so you don't shake so much, along with improving your awerness.

I fully recognise shooting as a sport, both set target and clay-pigeon.

Keep a gun for protection if you really feel unsafe, if you want to hunt, get a gun for hunting. Besides that, though...I see no use for guns, especially assualt rifles.

That's kinda my point. Why would someone need a number of shoptguns when surely it is the ammo itself that makes the difference? You don't want a rifle that is too powerful for small 'prey' as you may go through-and-through but surely 2 is enough.

A gun will never go off without it being used by someone. A guns a tool, not a weapon. I can make anything a weapon. Hell I can kill you with a ball point pen, but should I make it illegal to carry a pen? Or maybe I should require you to have a CCW permit to have a nice Mont Blanc pen with me.
Guns were created to kill. They weren't created for hunting. A good crossbow is also quite effective, if not so modern and manly.


I'm not against guns. I have a strong interest in WW2, would like to go to a firing range and fire a gun one day. I have a small knowledge of guns, but mainly military and none practical. But it is just the number of weapons people are allowed that scares me.
 
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Well since this thread is a bit heated at the moment I will try and be lighthearted to avoid stirring it up even more :)

I would like to side with Anderton and Daan on this, here in the UK I often here people say things like "Americans are Stupid". I am usually defending the US reminding people that they are the world leaders in just about every area of technology, commerce and military. They also kick everyones butts at the Olympics and produce many record holding athletes (even without drugs now ;) )

But some of the comments in the above posts just reinforce the stereotype view alot of people here in Europe have about the US. Having so many guns, that you don't know where they are! Carrying a knife in public! Or the Paranoia about someone coming into your home and threatening your family. Also the need to attack Anderton because his views are different, if you had a gun handy would you shoot him as quickly? Thats the problem, people get angry and lash out, with a fist, it is not a big deal, but a gun... And the statistics for 2003 are more like 8000 deaths in US from gunrelated incidents. Compared to 100 for the average country in Europe.

Firing your guns at a registred gun club IS a sensible thing to do. But do you need to take them home with you? And yes shooting is an Olympic sport, because it has an element of competition (Definition of Sport). Shooting a Deer with a telescopic rifle is NOT sport, as the Deer has no chance of winning! Taking on a Tiger in a knife fight is a Sport :), more of an even match. And do you need a High Velocity Rifle with armour piercing rounds to shoot a paper target?

I know owning a gun is at the heart of the US constitution and many of you feel passionate about it.

btw Chevy I do think your sig is offensive...it is the same thing the Palastine suicide bombers said when asked "How do they know that the tourists they killed on the West back were Jews" The said God would protect the Muslims...In todays climate, I'd be a little more sensitive if I were you.

Also..please..please lock your guns up. How many children this year alone died from playing with their parents guns?

Thank god I live in the UK, where murder is rare :)
 
In America hunting with a cross bow is illegal unless you have a disabllity. If you are caugth with one with out the proper papers its a huge fine and you can lose everything you came hunting with...such as your weapon, ammo, and truck. I'm not risking that.

I don't like bow and arrow since you have to be in a tree stand to get something. I hate heights so therefore I'm not going up in a tree.

If you recognize it as a sport then whats the big deal if I want to go to the range from time to time?

2 weapons wouldn't be the best idea, depending on the area you are hunting you are going to want to pick your weapon carefully. Long range a 30-06 can take down anything, so if I was in a feild that would be perfect. But at close range they will blow your target away which is unsportsman like while hunting.

You want a clean kill, not a bad shot that make the animal suffer.
 
I've only been able to ever get one deer, they are a lot smarter then you think. Plus if you don't hunt the deer they will either run out in front of your car or they will die of starvation.
 
The second ammendment is so vague that it's possible to make ALL firearms illegal except for a normal 9mil pistol, and congress could go off saying "you still have the right to bare arms." When I turn 21, I plan on getting a concealed weapon license and get myself a gun. However, I see a lot of retarded American crap in here (kinda like TV and the media) and it's really annoying. You people act like it's an injustice that guns are regulated the way they are. I see them as no different from cars. People make hobbies around them and enjoy them, thats cool, they have their place in society, and they should be regulated by the government accordingly. I have no problem with certain guns being 'illegal' or certain modifications to guns being 'illegal', but I also think there should be a place where you can use these...illegal weapons. I also think there should be a 'legal' way to transport them to said place where you can use them. The government says you dont need assault type weapons, you say you do because you enjoy them, well I say it's cool that you enjoy them on a shoot range or whatever. However, if you arent there, they should be locked up as hell and ****, because unlike cars, guns are made specifically to kill things.
 
I agree with that statement. If I had an assult weapon I fired at the range I wounldn't mind keeping it locked some where till I used it at the range. Hunting with a assult rifle would just be stupid, so I'd never use it for that.
 
If you were to visit Canada or Britain would you be very worried about being held up at gunpoint or being injured in a drive-by shooting? Maybe you would because of the coutnry you live in, where those threats are real, but I don't think your fears would be justified. I know I'm going to catch flak for mentioning Michael Moore here, but don't worry because I'm not going to cite his movies as proof or anything. All I'm saying is that he asked why Americans kill each other so much in Bowling for Columbine , and he never got an answer. It's frightening to live so close to a country that has so many guns when if any country in the world doesn't have to worry about being invaded or threatened it's the U.S.

I think going to a shooting range and firing off a few rounds is probably uplifting and relieves stress, but why do you have to personally own a gun? Why not go to the range and rent one for a small fee?

I played paintball with some American friends a year ago. I had never been and was a little scared because these guys had their own guns and everything. I knew them through some friends of mine, and we all went together one night to a paintball club called Sgt. Splatter's. As I got into the game, I was actually having a little fun. Then someone suggested we pit the Americans against the Canadians. Then the fun ended. Until I was shot in the godd*mn forhead, I hadn't even thought about aiming for an opponent's head to "kill" them. Well, I learned my lessons that night. 1)never go paintballing with anyone who owns their own gun, and 2)Americans are scary when they get their finger on a trigger.
 
I can understand that there are people who are not firearms enthusiast and I can understand that some may feel strongly that firearms are not for them. my understanding ends when these people attempt to infringe on my rights as a responsible adult to enjoy a legal pastime such as hunting or target shooting. Who the &*** do you think you are ? When did your judgement become the arbritar of all that is good ion the world ? What makes your judgement better than mine or the rest of the responsible firearm owner throughout the world ? Anderton comes off as the classic bleeding heart ass that thinks that he is above us all because somehow his beliefs (in his mind )are superior to all others, at the same time slandering a whole group of people he has never met never mind gotten to actually know , and some how he thinks his drivel is to be taken seriously ? When you reach the status of adult you become fully responsible for your actions and that includes the ability to keep from shooting targets you do not intend to shoot and also not commiting murder or assault or other crime no matter what " tool " you choose to accomplish this. Like 99% of the country I like them have found that I can actually leave my home without going on a crime spree so I resent having some idiots trying to prevent me from doing something I have no desire to do . And the fact that they feel they must create laws to the effect that they do not trust me to do the right thing, also twists my nutsack in a bad way. A person like Daan who lives in a country that has no tradition of gun ownership, expressing his astonishment that someone would want to have an assault weapon is as understandable as rain in London. But a look at the history of this country and how it was settled ,and the stock that we as Americans put into our personal liberty, along with what we are willing to do to protect them , should help to let you understand .
 
Ah, my favorite topic.

First of all, the 2nd amendment gives us in the US the right to bear arms. If you dont like it, too damn bad.

Secondly, here in the US, there are alot of "sporting" enthusiasts. I am one of them. I read in an earlier post say "why shoot animals, go to the store" or something to that effect. I'll put it this way. There arent too many places that sell deer, hog, quail, and dove meat. Why would you eat that? Because it tastes damn good.

Third, why own so many guns? There are a couple reasons. 1. Many are collectors items. 2. Different guns are used to hunt different animals. I own a safe full of guns. I have 10 shotguns alone. Why so many? Because there are different styles. I own 2 over/unders, 3 side-by-side, 4 pump action, and 1 snake charmer. Each gun has a different feel. Also, having more than one gun cuts down on wearing it out over time. I also have several deer rifles. Ranging from .470's to 30.06's. Different guns for different purposes. I also own a handgun. Its a .357 Mag w/ an 8 in. barrel. Why have that? Because i can. I also got my Conceiled Handgun License too. Does that mean i carry it around? No. Its for the range and in case some idiot ever decides to break into my house.

Fourth, calling people hillbillies for owning guns is rediculous. Making the assumption that everyone from the south are also hillbillies makes for a very ignorant point. Good job.

Bottom line, if ya'll want to ***** and moan about guns. ***** to the people that dont use them correctly. There are many gun safty courses available for "sporting" enthusiasts. Having guns isnt a bad thing at all. You just have to be safe w/ them. Which, i dont think ya'll are understanding.

Last but not least. Dove season starts tomorrow. Its goin to be a great day.
James-
 
Anderton
If you were to visit Canada or Britain would you be very worried about being held up at gunpoint or being injured in a drive-by shooting? Maybe you would because of the coutnry you live in, where those threats are real, but I don't think your fears would be justified. I know I'm going to catch flak for mentioning Michael Moore here, but don't worry because I'm not going to cite his movies as proof or anything. All I'm saying is that he asked why Americans kill each other so much in Bowling for Columbine , and he never got an answer. It's frightening to live so close to a country that has so many guns when if any country in the world doesn't have to worry about being invaded or threatened it's the U.S.

I think going to a shooting range and firing off a few rounds is probably uplifting and relieves stress, but why do you have to personally own a gun? Why not go to the range and rent one for a small fee?

I played paintball with some American friends a year ago. I had never been and was a little scared because these guys had their own guns and everything. I knew them through some friends of mine, and we all went together one night to a paintball club called Sgt. Splatter's. As I got into the game, I was actually having a little fun. Then someone suggested we pit the Americans against the Canadians. Then the fun ended. Until I was shot in the godd*mn forhead, I hadn't even thought about aiming for an opponent's head to "kill" them. Well, I learned my lessons that night. 1)never go paintballing with anyone who owns their own gun, and 2)Americans are scary when they get their finger on a trigger.
First of all, anyone in Toronto knows that there are tons of guns on the streets in the hands of gangs and criminals. Some parts of Toronto I would not feel very safe in at all because of gun violence related to gangs (Malvern especially). And this is a country where handguns and assualt weapons are completely banned (with the exception of police and military use), yet there have been many handgun murders and some murders using assualt weapons. Most gang killings this year have been committed by handguns (to the best of my knowledge, this would probably be around 10 people). To the best of my knowledge, only two people have been killed/injured by assault weapons in the past year in Toronto. Unfortunately they were both innocent bystanders.

One was a man sitting in his bedroom with his son watching TV when a bullet fired from an Uzi ricoched and hit him. The other person is the now famous Louise Russo, who was getting a sandwhich for her daughter in a restaurant when she was hit by a CAR-15 in what was likely a botched assasination attempt. She is now paralyzed from the neck down and can't take care of her disabled daughter (her other daughter was waiting in their car at the time of the shooting).

What I'm trying to get at is that no matter what laws you make, guns will still get into the wrong hands. And a gun is a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands, as I've shown.

Moving on, you're right, you will catch flak for mentioning Moore's film. While Bowling did have some valid points, he was way off in showing how safe Canadians feel. He showed how people in Toronto leave their doors unlocked. Anyone who leaves their doors unlocked in Toronto is a moron. Moore must have either taken days to get that part filmed, or met some very stupid and/or naiive people.

And your point on paintball is waaaaaay off. I don't know the circumstances when you got shot in the head, but paintball guns are not very precise shooting devices. Unless the shooter was 10ft away (he/she still could have simply missed even at that range), then chances are it was an accident. I know people who paintball all the time and have got shot in every imaginable place (the neck is particularily painful if not covered). And shooting a gun and a paintball gun are two very different things. It's like comparing swinging a golf club and a baseball bat.


And back to the original point on assault weapons, the Swiss army has it's soldiers take their weapons home with them. So that's about 200,000 assault rifles in Swiss homes. Yet that country has a very low murder rate, and a low firearms murder rate. Hmm, maybe it is stupid people with guns that's the real problem (*DISCLAIMER* I'm not saying the Swiss are better than anyone, but a soldier will have extensive knowledge on guns and gun safety).

I have to agree with Solid Lifters, wtf is exactly an assault weapon? I remember seeing a story on the CBC showing a Canadian man losing his 19th century rifle when the new gun registry wouldn't allow him to register his firearm because it was illegal (ie: Unsafe, dangerous to others, etc)...
 
Small games on here ...I'll be a' huntin rabits !Here bunny bunny...got a nice fresh carrot for ya .. :)
 
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M16- standard American Army weapon.

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M4 Carbine. Basically a compact version of the classic M16

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The standard gun of the UK army.

All of the above are, in my eyes, assault weapons. Basically fully automatic, rifled weapons.

I would not class what solid lifters showed as a assault weapon.
But I would class a multi cartridge pump action shotgun an assault weapon.

I would also class MP5 and UZI 9mm as assault weapons. Both very capable in trained hands, but otherwise only good for 'spraying' bullets.
 
I've never felt unsafe in my entire life, having been to all parts of Toronto. I keep my door unlocked all day. Come on over and take anything you like, but I know you won't.

For the umpteenth time, I did not say all people who live in the southern United States are hillbillies. Look back at my post, read it over and over carefully, then come back when you understand I was commenting on 87chevy alone, because of his post, avatar and signature. Do I need to say this in ebonics for you to understand or to you comprehend English? I fear you probably haven't read through this entire thread but merely stopped here and there to smell the roses. Not a wise thing to do. Remove head from *ss, then speak.

All I drew from Moore's film is that he can't answer the question of why there are so many gun-related deaths in the US. I said nothing about any other part of his film, but you felt it was necessary to drop these into your post. He couldn't answer it and no one else can. But I think the problem has something to do with having 10 shotguns at your house. You own more guns in your home than a member of the Swiss Army! And why the hell are you talking about Switzerland? If there's a country that should be allowed to have guns because they've shown that they are calm and responsible enough to own them, surely it's Switzerland!

Get a life people!
 
For the umpteenth time, I did not say all people who live in the southern United States are hillbillies. Look back at my post, read it over and over carefully, then come back when you understand I was commenting on 87chevy alone, because of his post, avatar and signature. Do I need to say this in ebonics for you to understand or to you comprehend English? I fear you probably haven't read through this entire thread but merely stopped here and there to smell the roses. Not a wise thing to do. Remove head from *ss, then speak.

Your not a very bright fellow. I read this entire thread before i posted just to make sure of what was goin on.

No matter how you try to sugar coat your words, you generalized people from the south whether or not you want to admit it. So i suggest you "Remove your head from your *ss, then speak."

As for your ebonics post. Are you racist too?
James-
 
I own four cars, even though there are only two licensed drivers in the house. Should I be required to disable the two that are not regularly driven, just because I don't need them? Is that too many cars for one person to own?

I'm not a hunter - I don't like the taste of most game meats, and I would never kill one for the sheer excitment of doing so. I've never personally met a hunter who does not eat what he kills, be it squirrel, duck, or deer. Nonetheless I have done a reasonable amount of target and skeet shooting, and was taught the careful way to handle a firearm at a young age. I don't currently own one (I gave my old Mossberg .22 M1 copy to my nephew when he turned 16), but I'm happy to know that with due diligence I could buy one and secure lessons in how to use it safely. So I fail to see what a horrible culture I've grown up in that allows me this opportunity.

I don't really have time to look it up here, but I believe Famine did a very thorough job in analyzing gun deaths on a per capita basis rather than simple raw numbers. With 280 million or more Americans in this country, I'd wager more Americans die of getting hit by lightning each year than get killed by guns in the UK.
 
Third, why own so many guns? There are a couple reasons. 1. Many are collectors items. 2. Different guns are used to hunt different animals. I own a safe full of guns. I have 10 shotguns alone. Why so many? Because there are different styles. I own 2 over/unders, 3 side-by-side, 4 pump action, and 1 snake charmer. Each gun has a different feel. Also, having more than one gun cuts down on wearing it out over time. I also have several deer rifles. Ranging from .470's to 30.06's. Different guns for different purposes. I also own a handgun. Its a .357 Mag w/ an 8 in. barrel. Why have that? Because i can. I also got my Conceiled Handgun License too. Does that mean i carry it around? No. Its for the range and in case some idiot ever decides to break into my house.

See now 10 shotguns is mad to me. If you wear one out, you buy another. If you want to feel the differences, buy one or two and then hire the rest when you want to 'feel' the difference. It is nice to hear you have a safe, at least you know where they are kept.
2 over/unders: Double barrel, one on top of the other, side-by-side again double barrel but the traditional (at least in teh britich shooting way) configuration. Pump action, fast-firing, pump-action cocking?
But what is a snake charmer? Also how do you plan to conceal a handgun with an 8 inch barrell? I understand the need for accuracy but surely as self defense it would be quite close quarters.
 
Hope i got this right.

Pump action, fast-firing, pump-action cocking?

Yes. For hunting we have to use a plug only allowing 3 shells to fit.

But what is a snake charmer?

:) Its a South TX gun. Im just kidding. Its a sawed-off side-by-side shotgun. Quite illegal though. But, theres a reason for it. Down here we have a rattle snake problem. So, thats what its used for. No long barrel makes it easy to point and fire. Especially when the damn snakes are 2 feet away from you.

Also how do you plan to conceal a handgun with an 8 inch barrell? I understand the need for accuracy but surely as self defense it would be quite close quarters.

I never plan on concealling it. I dont care to walk around w/ a gun on me. I got the license so just incase i got pulled over w/ it, everything would be ok. And the barrel was the one i preffered. Nothing more than that really.

Hope that cleared some things up.
James-

*EDIT* As for my remark on getting pulled over. The only time i have the gun in the truck is on my way to the ranch or the range.
 
Duke and the King know whats going on, they are able to sensably make sense of what is going on.
 
Anderton
A GUN IS NOT A CAR. A CAR IS NOT A GUN.

Say it with me.

Plus, owning more cars than there are dirvers might be a pollution issue...
So? Who are you to decide what I'm allowed to own and what I'm not? Besides, it's not like I can drive more than one at a time... :dunce:
 
neon_duke
So? Who are you to decide what I'm allowed to own and what I'm not? Besides, it's not like I can drive more than one at a time... :dunce:
Well, a gun is more likely to be used as a weapon to kill someone (like me) than a car is, so who I am to tell you what you should and should not have is someone who doesn't want to get killed. I obviously can't make you not have any guns, but I can say I believe gun ownership is stupid and pointless. I'm starting to get blue in the face though...
 
ExigeExcel
If you want to feel the differences, buy one or two and then hire the rest when you want to 'feel' the difference.

Why should we have to rent a gun when we have the option to buy? That's what makes the constitution so wonderful, we don't have some jackass who thinks he knows it all saying "Ok, you can't have any of these guns anymore. It won't actually solve any gun problems, and will actually make them get worse, but you'll feel better anyway...Right?". That's basically what happened in Canada and the UK.

There's well over two hundred MILLION guns owned by citizens in the United States, nearly half of those being handguns, and keep in mind these do not account for illegally owned weapons. You think that the 30,000 or so firearms accidents and homicides and suicides every year is bad? We'd all be dead in a matter of days if we were the blood thirsty gun toting savages some UK and Canadians make us out to be. I think America, as a whole, knows what they're doing with guns.

Also, someone said that "assault weapons" were used in 3% of crimes in the US. This is wrong, the actual number is under 1%. Rifles, including semi-autos, account for less than 3% of gun deaths in the US.
 
Let me get this straight, did you say that in Canada and the UK they banned gun ownership and things got worse? I don't follow you.

Yes, I do think the 30,000 people who are killed each year but didn't need to die in your country is bad.
 
To the people who are concerned about multiple gun ownership keep this in mind. A person who owns one gun is just as dangerous if he or she owns 1,000 guns. It doesn't take 3 different types of gun to kill someone.

Why do some gun owners have so many different types of guns? Because each gun is different, and has it's own features, characteristics, and even personality. Why do wine collectors need hundreds of different wines? Because each wine has it's own distinct flavor and personality. It's just like collecting anything else, except a gun utilized in the wrong manner is extremely dangerous, but that's why collectors learn the proper safety precautions so they don't end up killing someone or even themselves.
 
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