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Is it encouraged/useful to enter qualifying position as well? So that we can see how many positions are lost/gained during the first race of each combo? If not, I think data specialists should be asked to do this in the future.
 
The Team S.N.A.I.L. page in the Results Document has a wealth of information in it. Including descriptions of each role as well as resources available to help describe some of the roles.

For Data Specialists, this is available. In short, Qualifying Position, Fast Lap, Total Time and Gap are important.

Cool, thanks for the clarification. I know that when I entered data I always put in qualifying position but looking at other divisions it looks like often times qualifying position is not entered. Nice video, by the way. A rare fastest lap set by yours truly!
D2 Results have been updated with the Pole info.. 👍

:cheers:
:cool:
 
Not quite. That is typically when the stewards give the all clear to the prize winners. They are given until mid day Thursday to make a choice. If, however, there is no penalty levied against them then we could see choices made as early as Tuesday.
That said, some (me!!!) Can't stand this question really. If you can't be bothered to pay attention to the thread, wait for it to be posted to the second post on the first page. It generally makes it there shortly after being announced. Honestly, if you can't be bothered to do the very minimal about of work to figure it out, don't bother others to do it for you.
Thank you for your answer. That said, I was paying attention to the thread even read quite a bit, but as I am new here and looking for as much information as I can get I asked the question that you " can't stand" I'm sure when you started here you had the answers, indeed I am happy you shared with me (us ) .
See you on the track ,,,!
And do have a nice day!
 
Is it encouraged/useful to enter qualifying position as well? So that we can see how many positions are lost/gained during the first race of each combo? If not, I think data specialists should be asked to do this in the future.

I also feel it's useful if the Data Specialists enter the qualifying time for the pole position winners in the notes section in the far right of the file. I've seen some divisions do this and I think it's helpful in comparing across divisions and also to see how that pole position person does within each race for lap times.

I realize it's not an easy duty and not everyone has the extra time to do it, but I just think it's helpful. I always take a picture with my phone to save the qualifying times, because it's not saved in any replay data.
 
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Just to thow more heat in the fire. I just came from D4 and moved to D3 (fun racing Sunday btw) When i looked at who participated in D4 last week the usual top three guys were not racing last weekend. I am kind of curious to see how D4 stacks up when there is more than 9 people and three guys that were consistently towards the front are back in action. Plus i wouldn't worry about moving up super fast. Every division i am have been in there is a ton of learning to be had and just a lot of fun getting to know everyone.

This is why we have to look at all the variables when trying to level out the divisions. By my count, there were at least 5 drivers in D4 that have the speed to run in the top five for the night that did not show up or missed at least one race. When you have that kind of void, someone gets to step up and fill it.
 
You can't be so arrogant to think that looking at one set of stats will magically level out each division. What about the guy that got spun? Maybe even more than once. His ranking will be lower than it should be. Is that fair to him? Each set of stats has it's own insights and pitfalls.
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Fast Lap - an indication of what a driver is capable of.
Total Time - an indication of how a driver races in traffic.
Adjusted Points Rank and Average Adjusted Points - an indication of how a Driver is doing for a season.
Unadjusted Season Points and Podiums - an indication of how the driver did during the season.
Individual race results - we'll look at this if there's a particularly difficult decision to be made.

My point was that total time is not "one stat". It is an overall average of lap times in traffic. Getting hit by other drivers happens...good drivers recover, bad drivers panic and end up way off course. Eventually everyone settles into their comfort zone. If you want, remove each driver's worst and best times and you'll account for races they had uncharacteristic accidents or were not challenged by other drivers. I will concede that incidents filed against drivers is definitely missing from this stat, but points are somewhat irrelevant when you aren't racing your peers or your peers don't show up to compete. If they don't show up, you don't all of a sudden post total times several divisions above your current division.

Anyway, I've already stated I don't mind staying in D4. This criticism is not a way for me to move up the ladder. I just think several drivers currently in D5 were overlooked for promotion and judging from reports from lower divisions there are other drivers that fit the same bill. It seems to me D1-D3 fall perfectly in line with this stat while D4+ is possibly suffering from growing pains with mismatched driver skill.
 
Thank you for your answer. That said, I was paying attention to the thread even read quite a bit, but as I am new here and looking for as much information as I can get I asked the question that you " can't stand" I'm sure when you started here you had the answers, indeed I am happy you shared with me (us ) .
See you on the track ,,,!
And do have a nice day!
And being new, you got the nice reply! Just wanna make sure that it is known so we don't get those awesomely pointless and self serving "Are the combos posted yet?" question. Now you know where to go if you feel the "what are the combos
" nag coming on. Trust me, when they are picked, there will be lots of chatter about it.
 
I am getting a corrupted data for the D6 replays. Could someone upload a new set perhaps?
All the reviews I could do I did.
Now bring on those Karts cause
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I am getting a corrupted data for the D6 replays. Could someone upload a new set perhaps?
All the reviews I could do I did.
Now bring on those Karts cause
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And like again, and like again after that too!!!!
I am very much looking forward to running some Karts tonight. May just have to skip math and get started early...
 
I am getting a corrupted data for the D6 replays. Could someone upload a new set perhaps?
All the reviews I could do I did.
Now bring on those Karts cause
2351443.jpg

Totally off topic, but I actually had this kids grandmother take care of me once at the DMV. This picture is from the Columbus Dispatch (years ago obviously) I went to pay a fine, and she had this picture hanging in her cubicle. Since I was already really familiar with the "I F#$#ing LOVE COLORING" meme, I made a comment how it was a cute picture. Turns out it was her grandson. I think it is safe to say she had no idea about the meme.
 
Totally off topic, but I actually had this kids grandmother take care of me once at the DMV. This picture is from the Columbus Dispatch (years ago obviously) I went to pay a fine, and she had this picture hanging in her cubicle. Since I was already really familiar with the "I F#$#ing LOVE COLORING" meme, I made a comment how it was a cute picture. Turns out it was her grandson. I think it is safe to say she had no idea about the meme.
Totally random but relevant post. Awesome story!
 
My point was that total time is not "one stat". It is an overall average of lap times in traffic. Getting hit by other drivers happens...good drivers recover, bad drivers panic and end up way off course. Eventually everyone settles into their comfort zone. If you want, remove each driver's worst and best times and you'll account for races they had uncharacteristic accidents or were not challenged by other drivers. I will concede that incidents filed against drivers is definitely missing from this stat, but points are somewhat irrelevant when you aren't racing your peers or your peers don't show up to compete. If they don't show up, you don't all of a sudden post total times several divisions above your current division.

I disagree. It's a stat that says how much time it took a driver to complete the race, period. A number of factors can come into play to determine what that number is. Not all of which are in the drivers control. Here's a few:

1. Someone took them out (even a good driver will never catch up when this happens).
2. They took themselves out (even a good driver will never catch up when this happens).
3. They are not good with that car on that track.
4. They are not good at that track.
5. They are not good with that car.
6. Someone at home distracted them.
7. Someone on track distracted them.

The list can go on and on. Thing is it's one piece of information that will never tell the whole story about a driver's race.

Consider this, someone can run 4 of 5 laps at near qualifying speed, they do it all the time. But because they mess one lap up, they always end up in the middle or at the bottom of their Division. If you looked at just their total time, you'd relegate them and perhaps put them in a group where they always qualify first, race alone for 4 laps and maybe meet up at the finish line with someone. Not what we're striving for in S.N.A.I.L.

Anyway, I've already stated I don't mind staying in D4. This criticism is not a way for me to move up the ladder. I just think several drivers currently in D5 were overlooked for promotion and judging from reports from lower divisions there are other drivers that fit the same bill. It seems to me D1-D3 fall perfectly in line with this stat while D4+ is possibly suffering from growing pains with mismatched driver skill.

Something else that most people overlook is the fact we try to keep our Division grids as even as possible. The line has to be drawn somewhere, some S.N.A.I.L.s fall below a line and some above it. It's in the nature of having Divisions. In fact that's why they're called Divisions, because, well, there's a Division between S.N.A.I.L.s :dopey:

Something else to consider is people get better. They get excited about being in a league and able to race people of their ability. So, they spend time practicing, listening, understanding and getting better. Now they can beat their current division on most nights and this is somehow a problem of placement???

It's been said over and over that the difference between drivers in D2 through D4 is negligible. And you could argue that near all the way through the Divisions, D3 through D5, D4 through D6 ...
 
For those of you worrying about division placement I have an idea... CHILL! There are several people in this league who work extremely hard to keep everything running smoothly. I want to give a shout out to zero, kcheeb, bowler, dragon,exo and all the stewards room hosts and anyone else I have missed. Thank you! For doing what you do for this league without a penny of compensation :bowdown: ok now that I have said that I want to say this. You guys that are having trouble understanding your division placement need to take a deep breath and relax. You are there for a reason. If for whatever reason you are in the wrong division im sure it will get worked out by those who go over and update the data every single week. (By the way did I mention these guys dont get paid for there time either) just have fun. I myself have never been nor will I ever see d1 but I still enjoy hanging out with friends. I thought I had an issue a while back with being in the wrong division so I pmd kcheeb to see what was up. (I think I went from d4 to d6) he told me to just run with d6 and if I was in the wrong div they would take care of it. Well to my surprise, theres really not much difference between d4 and d6. All im saying is before you get mad or start going on and on about changing the way things are run, give it some time and it will all get sorted out. And just remember to have fun. I know these guys spend countless hours going over the data, and replays, penalties etc and the truth is they dont have to. I personally want to thank all of you guys for what you do so I can enjoy my sunday nights. My hats off to you gentleman. RACE HARD, RACE CLEAN, RACE SNAIL!! :cheers:
 
I disagree. It's a stat that says how much time it took a driver to complete the race, period. A number of factors can come into play to determine what that number is. Not all of which are in the drivers control. Here's a few:

1. Someone took them out (even a good driver will never catch up when this happens).
2. They took themselves out (even a good driver will never catch up when this happens).
3. They are not good with that car on that track.
4. They are not good at that track.
5. They are not good with that car.
6. Someone at home distracted them.
7. Someone on track distracted them.
All the factors except item 1 (and maybe item 6) are completely within the driver's control but I don't want to argue anymore. It sounds like you are already using total time to some extent. My suggestion was merely to enhance that stat by removing the races affected by the items above, and using that as a primary factor. Provided there are enough data points for each driver, I feel it will align very closely to the current division layout with a few new guys shuffled around to the appropriate divisions. As it stands, you have already done a great job, I'm simply trying to help improve.
 
I think of it this way, sort of.
Division 1 = All-Star team
Divisions a-b = Pro league (MLB/NHL/NFL/etc.) with different divisions (West, East, Central)
Divisions c-d = Feeder/minor league with different divisions (West, East, Central)
 
Attention Division 4 drivers.

We need your replays. If you have them please let us know so we can get them in the hands of the Stewards.

Thanks!
 
All the factors except item 1 (and maybe item 6) are completely within the driver's control but I don't want to argue anymore. It sounds like you are already using total time.

I 'think' that's why I said not all of which are in the drivers control ...
 
I think of it this way, sort of.
Division 1 = All-Star team
Divisions a-b = Pro league (MLB/NHL/NFL/etc.) with different divisions (West, East, Central)
Divisions c-d = Feeder/minor league with different divisions (West, East, Central)

Think of it more as a bell curve. We have a pretty flat bell around here.

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If you assume that D1 is the world class athlete then you would have D2 through D8 making up the rest of the curve. I would say that the curve is a little more steep between fit humans and world class or D2 and D1 and the curve much flatter going from D2 to D8 with the most overlap in driver skills between D3 and D6. There is overlap in driver skill between every division. On any given night, almost anyone that is toward the top of their division can muster a performance that seems as if it should be in another division. It's repeating that performance week after week that is the real trick.
 
Think of it more as a bell curve. We have a pretty flat bell around here.

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If you assume that D1 is the world class athlete then you would have D2 through D8 making up the rest of the curve. I would say that the curve is a little more steep between fit humans and world class or D2 and D1 and the curve much flatter going from D2 to D8 with the most overlap in driver skills between D3 and D6. There is overlap in driver skill between every division. On any given night, almost anyone that is toward the top of their division can muster a performance that seems as if it should be in another division. It's repeating that performance week after week that is the real trick.
I think for some of us, the trick is repeating that performance lap after lap.
 
A bit off topic, im trying to organize cruize with old car, if you want more info check the link in my sign, i wont make any more publicity on the snail page cause i dont want bother you, please take a look and i hope to see some people there
 
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