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[Troggy]

It's really difficult to explain...lots of ambitious guys come in and all they talk about is D1...like it is a place where eagles fly and the Dalai Lama serves tea to everyone. They truly believe that getting there is like nirvana and all your troubles wash away.

But....you just crushed my dream....

 

[Neovre]

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Even if qualifying is someone's forte, there is no reason we should be seeing second+ gaps in qualifying running spec cars. Case in point, in d3 last night, I dropped by personal best lap time in Monaco. A 36.8. It was good for second. But pole was 1:35.3 which probably would have been up there for d1 pole. Shouldn't be happening.

What is the pole time for D1 for that combo anyways? I pulled a 35.247 during the race knowing a few mistakes... thought it would be a 34 lap... The best lap time for this combo seems to be bottomless

 

[hooker4]

Just in case anyone iswondering, the best racing and longest lasting combinations in the history of S.N.A.I.L. have, for the most part, been made up of a car that can be driven at or near it's limit by the majority of the membership of S.N.A.I.L. The truly long lasting combos have taken a car like that and combined it with a track that has multiple places to execute clean passes and doesn't contain gimmicky sections such as jumps or sections of track that narrow up for no reason.

You can talk about the challenge of learning something new all you want. If you want to have a combo that produces close racing, you should probably be thinking of something along these lines.

That would be one of the most competitive cars snail has ever used. No Its not a real car but it is easy to drive

 

[JLBowler]

Also having been to the promised land of D1 and winning in that promised land, I can very confidently say that I am a much happier guy racing in D2 and running in the middle of the pack with a bunch of other guys who are right on par with my speed as opposed to spending every free minute I have practicing during the week and hoping to be able to see the leaders at the end of the race.

 

[Nicktune]

I came back in January from a year+ hiatus from GT5. I was quick in GT5 but not GT-Academy quick. However I was consistent if anything, rarely going off course in online races...

It was close to a 2years hiatus,anyone would have a really thick layer of rust (add to that restarting on a different game).

Knowledge is transferable, you just gotta get rid of the rust whether you jump from controller type or from game to game.

I haven't asked to be relegated for that reason (knowledge is transferable) when I added the wheel to my Sunday night menu.I'm still using both every sunday.

 

[JLBowler]

It was close to a 2years hiatus,anyone would have a really thick layer of rust (add to that restarting on a different game).

Knowledge is transferable, you just gotta get rid of the rust whether you jump from controller type or from game to game.

I haven't asked to be relegated for that reason (knowledge is transferable) when I added the wheel to my Sunday night menu. I'm still using both every sunday.

Way back on GT4 when I made the switch from controller to wheel, I bounced back and forth between the two. This went on until well into the life of GT5p as I just wasn't as fast with the wheel as I could be with the controller. After telling my story to some guys during the GT5p days, someone gave me a piece of advice that I will now pass on to you. He told me that I would never be as fast with the wheel as long as I kept using the controller. I took that advice and put the controller down and didn't look back again. By the time GT5 came out, I was just as fast with the wheel as I ever was with the controller and I was a lot more consistent. My hands also felt so much better after a lot of racing.

You can do whatever you want with my advice but it helped me out a ton. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Neovre]

So guys, I've read all the previous few pages of posts, not trying to be a hero here, but I was thrown into west coast div. right away from the time trial, I was just wondering if I can drop in on a race with one of the top 3 divisions for a night? Not saying I want to change, I love the WC guys and will stay with them, but just wanted a taste of racing in the regular Divisions like the regular div guys dropping in for our races since I have quite some spare time on hand haha..

 

[jobyone]

So guys, I've read all the previous few pages of posts, not trying to be a hero here, but I was thrown into west coast div. right away from the time trial, I was just wondering if I can drop in on a race with one of the top 3 divisions for a night? Not saying I want to change, I love the WC guys and will stay with them, but just wanted a taste of racing in the regular Divisions like the regular div guys dropping in for our races since I have quite some spare time on hand haha..

Or how about a few of you fast guys join us for some late night racing

 

[basswerks1]

Or how about a few of you fast guys join us for some late night racing

Can I get in ?
Lol

 

[basswerks1]

Can I get in ?
Lol

Btw I added u on psn ck it out

 

[Handlebar]

The only 'promised land' I have visited in SNAIL was when I was in a well balanced division for several months.

That Utopia is not all on the couple of guys who may officially move bodies around. For me, that promised land involved:

* Reasonably consistent participation for a group of drivers, even if you do not love this week's combos.

* drivers who had similar skills - some combos favored me, some favored them. Vote!

* Actually reporting wrongdoing on the track - why change if nobody expects you to?

* Respecting others on the track, fastest first or reverse grid. Trying to bully up because the guy just tells himself he is faster than the crowd but can't be bothered to race clean enough to pass them? Ewwww.

*. Several drivers try to help fellow drivers improve within their own division or others.

* Celebrate your successes, regardless of how minor these successes may be or what place you are battling for. Recognize incremental self improvement. You get paid the same - zero real dollars. Enjoy the good.

*. Watch your replay before you cast stones or quarry quartz or gold to build an epic monument to your own (future?) successes. I wish I had done this more frequently - especially the former as I have limited need of the latter.

YMMV.

 

[Neovre]

Or how about a few of you fast guys join us for some late night racing

Works for me too, WE NEED MORE CAR COUNT!!!

 

[Handlebar]

In @Dragonwhisky absence, tragically finding himself deep in the sand for an entire week... I hereby assail you with....

Race Date: 09 February 2014

Currently tracking 12 Incident Reports

We have at least one prize winner with a racing incident being investigated by the stewards. This may, obviously, change the order of the prizes to be selected. All winners are asked to refrain from making selections until the Weekly Steward's report has been posted.

The target deadline for the Steward Reviews, this week, is Wednesday night by 10PM Eastern. The Steward Summary will be posted as soon as possible, following completion of reviews.

:@: SNAIL Stewards, please make your way to Incident Review Scoring.​

The IR Submission Form is now closed.

 

[Adventuruss]

I'm pretty sure I practice less than 50% of active snails during a week. It's not about how much you practice. It's about how much you learn about the car and track in a lap and adapt to what works and what doesn't. D1 drivers tend to gather that information and adapt faster on average compared to other divisions.

 

[Neovre]

Change of topic, Prize winners~~ Can we pleeeeeeeeease have Mount Panorama in one of the races~~~...... still high on the Bathurst 12 hours..

 

[IceWarden]

I'm pretty sure I practice less than 50% of active snails during a week. It's not about how much you practice. It's about how much you learn about the car and track in a lap and adapt to what works and what doesn't. D1 drivers tend to gather that information and adapt faster on average compared to other divisions.

I kinda snort laughed at this. It is impossible to practice less than me

 

[chuyler1]

I was looking back at the January results, specifically the Total Time Power Ranking. The fastest lap rankings only reveal what a driver is capable of on their best lap. Points are only relative to the drivers in your division. Total time however, shows what you are capable of in race conditions. It should include incidents, time spent passing other cars, and time spent racing alone when the cars faster than you are out of reach and the slower cars behind you are no longer a threat. It also reveals how quickly you navigate slower traffic during reverse grid (assuming all races are included in this power ranking).

This ranking put me at 33rd (22.00 points). Two of the three D4 drivers that had better ratings than me last month were promoted to D3 this month and the third driver didn't participate last night but had a score on par with D2 drivers. The rest of D4 performed worse in this stat than my 4 closest competitors in D5. There are even D6 and D7 drivers ranked above me. That could easily explain why I pulled away and never looked back during the races.

Looking at this list of total time power rankings and reflecting on experiences during practice nights with drivers in other divisions, it does seem to be a pretty accurate portrayal of ability. I haven't raced against everyone on the list obviously, but the people that stand out as my closest competitors are within 2-3 points of my score. Those outside that range either pose no threat or pass me like I'm standing still.

Anyway, if you used this stat alone, I think there would be some significant shuffling. I don't know if that shakes things up too much. Maybe drivers are happy where they are. I don't know. What I do know is that I felt more challenged racing in D5 than I did D4. It's only been one night though. Maybe it was just a bad night for D4 guys.

 

[jobyone]

Btw I added u on psn ck it out

l will accept Nex time I am on. Would love to see you racing next week with us.

 

[Drgreenthumb977]

I think people getting upset about D-1, hey guys, its just a division who promoting close racing like the others. If you eat too much they'll place you in D1 but that doesn't mean you'll have a meal in the start of division 1. I saw a lot of shiny eyes lost their cool after cupple weeks. If you think you are a legend and the only guy fast in this league you'll hit the Wall and lost all your positive energy. Just the time will telling you to go and not you. If you are impatient to get to D1, maybe you'll be on track so just think about your race-craft before climb the Rocky Balboa stairs It was my opinion I wanted to share without offence to any driver with the goal of encouraging all the divisions below D1 to keep the great works and not thinking always about the glory to get promoted to D1. Good night every 1 , if you having a racing dream tonight don't brake in your bed you'll burning the bedsheet.

 

[K1utch]

Nope I have to get in D1 no matter what. My rival is in D1 right now and I have to catch upto him no matter what. Were fellow gt academy inspirees for this year and I plan to give it all I got

 

[K1utch]

Yrs I agre o a 34 time the elise is actially quite easy to get sfter you fall into the rhythm of the course

 

[hooker4]

Conceited much? Just sayin.

 

[basswerks1]

Hey quick question... When is the list for the next race going to be released?

 

[Troggy]

Guys read the thread. There are several explanations to "what are the new combos" both on the first post and the last few pages.

 

[speer9892003]

Hey quick question... When is the list for the next race going to be released?

If I remember right I believe its on Wednesday. Take take my word for it though. I've been wrong before.

 

[Rallywagon]

If I remember right I believe its on Wednesday. Take take my word for it though. I've been wrong before.

Not quite. That is typically when the stewards give the all clear to the prize winners. They are given until mid day Thursday to make a choice. If, however, there is no penalty levied against them then we could see choices made as early as Tuesday.
That said, some (me!!!) Can't stand this question really. If you can't be bothered to pay attention to the thread, wait for it to be posted to the second post on the first page. It generally makes it there shortly after being announced. Honestly, if you can't be bothered to do the very minimal about of work to figure it out, don't bother others to do it for you.

 

[speer9892003]

That's what I must be thinking of. Thanks for letting me know! As I've said, I been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. Lol

Not quite. That is typically when the stewards give the all clear to the prize winners. They are given until mid day Thursday to make a choice. If, however, there is no penalty levied against them then we could see choices made as early as Tuesday.
That said, some (me!!!) Can't stand this question really. If you can't be bothered to pay attention to the thread, wait for it to be posted to the second post on the first page. It generally makes it there shortly after being announced. Honestly, if you can't be bothered to do the very minimal about of work to figure it out, don't bother others to do it for you.

 

[ATLskydiver]

Don't move him!, I want another shot at him!

Although I do feel like Chuyler is probably D3 material, I'm kinda with Chatva - with a little practice I hope can keep up with him. I'm hoping I'm D3 material too.... Unfortunately guys, I'll miss the race next Sunday - gonna be on a flight to Ecuador for work. Any interesting racetracks in Guayaquil?

 

[kcheeb]

I was looking back at the January results, specifically the Total Time Power Ranking. The fastest lap rankings only reveal what a driver is capable of on their best lap. Points are only relative to the drivers in your division. Total time however, shows what you are capable of in race conditions. It should include incidents, time spent passing other cars, and time spent racing alone when the cars faster than you are out of reach and the slower cars behind you are no longer a threat. It also reveals how quickly you navigate slower traffic during reverse grid (assuming all races are included in this power ranking).

This ranking put me at 33rd (22.00 points). Two of the three D4 drivers that had better ratings than me last month were promoted to D3 this month and the third driver didn't participate last night but had a score on par with D2 drivers. The rest of D4 performed worse in this stat than my 4 closest competitors in D5. There are even D6 and D7 drivers ranked above me. That could easily explain why I pulled away and never looked back during the races.

Looking at this list of total time power rankings and reflecting on experiences during practice nights with drivers in other divisions, it does seem to be a pretty accurate portrayal of ability. I haven't raced against everyone on the list obviously, but the people that stand out as my closest competitors are within 2-3 points of my score. Those outside that range either pose no threat or pass me like I'm standing still.

Anyway, if you used this stat alone, I think there would be some significant shuffling. I don't know if that shakes things up too much. Maybe drivers are happy where they are. I don't know. What I do know is that I felt more challenged racing in D5 than I did D4. It's only been one night though. Maybe it was just a bad night for D4 guys.

You can't be so arrogant to think that looking at one set of stats will magically level out each division. What about the guy that got spun? Maybe even more than once. His ranking will be lower than it should be. Is that fair to him? Each set of stats has it's own insights and pitfalls.

How would you include incidents, time spent driving alone and in traffic into the equation? If this were my full time job it might be possible, but it's not. I already spend far more time on S.N.A.I.L. than I should. My wife calls it my second job. Read job, not hobby, job.

Enough said about that, when promoting and relegating we use all of the information available:

Fast Lap - an indication of what a driver is capable of.
Total Time - an indication of how a driver races in traffic.
Adjusted Points Rank and Average Adjusted Points - an indication of how a Driver is doing for a season.
Unadjusted Season Points and Podiums - an indication of how the driver did during the season.
Individual race results - we'll look at this if there's a particularly difficult decision to be made.

All of this is extremely dependent on the Data Specialists getting the data entered and into the right place. Last month was reasonably good, but there was still a lot of missing information.

Speaking of Data Specialists and entering data, while I appreciate the efforts of all the Data Specialists, I really need you to enter the data in the Results Document, not the Directors Document. The Directors Document is only used on Sunday nights, after that the sheets are copied to the Results Document and not referenced again. When you enter data after the fact into the Directors Document, you cause more work for me. I have to figure out which division sheet is out of sync and then copy the sheet to the Results Document and delete the old one.

Please, please, please DO NOT ENTER ANY DATA INTO THE DIRECTORS DOCUMENT after Sunday night. I will have the sheets copied to the Results Document on Monday morning. Thank you.

 

[ptslopoke]

Although I do feel like Chuyler is probably D3 material, I'm kinda with Chatva - with a little practice I hope can keep up with him. I'm hoping I'm D3 material too.... Unfortunately guys, I'll miss the race next Sunday - gonna be on a flight to Ecuador for work. Any interesting racetracks in Guayaquil?

Just to thow more heat in the fire. I just came from D4 and moved to D3 (fun racing Sunday btw) When i looked at who participated in D4 last week the usual top three guys were not racing last weekend. I am kind of curious to see how D4 stacks up when there is more than 9 people and three guys that were consistently towards the front are back in action. Plus i wouldn't worry about moving up super fast. Every division i am have been in there is a ton of learning to be had and just a lot of fun getting to know everyone.