It's ok Z. I know you have to fight the good fight and defend the league. This is in fact a well oiled machine. There is no other league that is as organized and regimented as this one...which is why the numbers are still up. If someone wants to race somewhere with other people then this is really the only fully operational death star still in existence.
Trust me. This isn't a "good fight". I've been in plenty of heated and intense debates/discussions/fights during my four years working on SNAIL and this isn't one of them. This is you trying to be a mouthpiece for a banned troll. This is you repeatedly declining offers to be informed of the truth because you think you know everything there is to know about this league after a couple of months racing and a couple of PM's from said troll. The more you try to stiff arm the facts, the more obvious your motives are and the less credible you become.
But as much as you tout the numbers, I have found probably 3 divisions worth of people who would still be racing here if it weren't for the unfair treatment of certain people because they aren't in the good graces of those who judge. Most of these people are really good people and fast guys who made positive contributions to the league but were forced out due to unfair treatment.
Just so we're clear, you've "found probably 3 divisions worth of people who would still be racing here if it weren't for the unfair treatment of certain people because they aren't in the good graces of those who judge"?? So let's see.. that would be about 30-48 drivers. Wow, that's a lot! Who are they? Can you provide a list? If you don't feel comfortable posting their names publicly, feel free to PM me. I swear I will not publicize the list if you don't want me to.
My guess is that I'll never see a list of 30-48 drivers from you because you're just making it up. Prove me wrong. Since you only raced with us for a couple of months and probably never even interacted with 30-45 SNAILs, my guess is that a disgruntled, bitter, and butthurt troll who just got banned fed you this number in an attempt to have you troll for him. Again, prove me wrong.
Then again, maybe we should clarify what "unfair treatment" is. According to JoeW, any penalty that is given to a driver is "unfair treatment" if the driver doesn't agree with the stewards decision to penalize them. That seems like an outrageous claim doesn't it? With that in mind, here's the difference between you and me. I'm willing to back up my claims with facts:
After JoeW's very first night racing in SNAIL, someone filed a incident report against him and he was given a minor penalty. He was so upset about the penalty, that he said he was going to quit SNAIL because of it. Back then, I hadn't come to the realization that sometimes less is more, so I asked him to reconsider and race with us again. He replied that, "I would definitely return if the penalty was lifted or he withdrew his protest." That quote isn't what I
think he said, or what I'm
pretty sure I remember from the conversation, it's a direct copy and paste from the PM he sent me.
That said, I will be waiting anxiously to see if your list is simply a list of drivers who quit SNAIL because they didn't agree with the stewards over a penalty given to them, or if it's a legitimate list of 30-48 drivers who have actually been treated unfairly by the league. You've made some pretty bold claims. Now it's time to back them up.
It's fine...these guys prosper elsewhere but you are losing great members.
Do you realize how absolutely silly you sound when you say "these guys prosper elsewhere" when that "elsewhere" is another SNAIL series? I actually don't even know how to respond to such an absurd statement. As the founder of SNAIL, I love it when ANY of our series prosper. In fact, my desire to better promote our non-Sunday events was the one and only reason I "
took the dots out" of our new logo.
You can keep hiding behind your sarcasm and redirecting the spin while calling all dissenters "delusional" but the facts are in place.
Who's the one hiding?? You're the one hiding from my repeated offers to PM you detailed facts about anything you want to know. And when have I tried to "spin" anything at all? Just look at your statement above. According to you, I call all dissenters "delusional". Please tell me when I have ever said anything of the sort. Please show me. Back up your statements. Support your claims. If you can't do any of that, then who's the one spinning?
As for the facts beings "in place." Yes, they absolutely are and I will once again restate my offer to detail any specifics about this entire situation to you. I will answer any question that you have. I will detail any specifics that you're curious about. I will address every concern you bring up. From there, you can decide for yourself whether I'm being truthful or if I'm full of ****. Why are you so afraid of engaging in this discussion with me? Why are you so afraid of the truth? Who is the one hiding??
You do have a great monopoly going right now. I don't see that changing anytime soon because of the sheer size and history of the series. But it will continue to be a rotating door until the "secret inner circle" mentality goes away. Just have a look at how many people join the series every week...still. Then wonder why the league is still shrinking. I know the gamut of reasons...too fast, too slow, too regimented, too strict, not for me, not time etc. But when you weed out all those guys...many are leaving because they felt they were treated poorly or unfairly. And you dismiss it like it's nothing.
We are still hundreds of divisions strong...no one else is that big...
Well there you go. Exactly how you were expected to respond.
Anyways...I'm off to see the wizard...I need a heart, brains, courage and all that jazz. Enjoy.
I'll reevaluate your league when GT7 drops and see if anything has changed. As I'm sure MANY of those who left might do. And we're talking a lot of people. You guys could see 10+ divisions easily if you can make it inviting again to those left because they felt slighted.
Again, just more of the same from you. Big claims, but absolutely nothing to back them up. Also, don't mistake my talking about the number of divisions we have as bragging. I was merely pointing out your obvious double standard. Why is it that when other leagues lose members (or fold altogether), it's because their members just lost interest, the game isn't fun anymore, or life just got in the way, but when SNAIL loses members it's because of iron-handed, bad apple, figurehead leaders who treat their members unfairly?
You will notice that I've asked you a lot of questions in this post. Don't even bother replying if you're just going to dance around those questions with nonsensical rhetoric. I don't have the time to invest in a conversation like this when both parties aren't willing to examine the facts together and try to see if they can find a common ground on what the truth is. I'm an open book and I've got nothing to hide. Hopefully you'll take me up on my repeated offer, but please don't waste any more of my time if you're not willing to either seek out the truth or back up your claims.